Your suggestion that science has been politicized speaks volumes.
No games until 2021
- Thread starter Eagle33
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Your suggestion that science has been politicized speaks volumes.
Our club has never played kickball. Started at U10, went from Bronze and now at Premier at U16. Bronze, Bronze, Silver, Silver, Silver Elite, Gold, Premier. Nothing wrong with pro/rel. Coach fundamentals early. Play solid defense. Usually had 2-3 clubs go up, 1 go down, 4 stay at same level. I think parents are more of the issue and have status issues.
Then the title of this thread is wrong. Should be corrected to: No games til November 4
It should, because it has, by both sides. To think that only one side is politicizing science is laughable, naive, or....political. Many on both sides are sheep. Sheep truly don't recognize they are being herded, they just go in the direction that the others go. It's a perfect analogy for today's political environment. "Science" is being used as a tool to herd sheep.
notintheface
GOLD
Please understand that your club is a complete aberration from the norm, and yes, pro/rel for a 9 year-old is just as insane as it sounds.
Eagle33
PREMIER
We already have this model, it's called AYSO
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Even from the description the team started 2 seasons in bronze. In some clubs that absolutely demand a promoted team age 8-10 that's enough to get the coach let go (or at a minimum for the team to suffer some major disruptions). Assuming the team didn't use the other gold old strategy (lose the dead weight, promote in some really fast kids),, I'd be curious to hear how they managed to hold it together that long in the early years.
Even from the description the team started 2 seasons in bronze. In some clubs that absolutely demand a promoted team age 8-10 that's enough to get the coach let go (or at a minimum for the team to suffer some major disruptions). Assuming the team didn't use the other gold old strategy (lose the dead weight, promote in some really fast kids),, I'd be curious to hear how they managed to hold it together that long in the early years.
AYSO until recently with Extras and United didn't tier their rec like the rest of the world. And in the rest of the world, everyone except the future pros play rec. Even if we wanted to make a tiered system, everything is so fractured and AYSO no longer has its monopoly that it wouldn't work.
notintheface
GOLD
On paper this sounds really great-- but the logistics make this unworkable. Here's what you have to keep in mind:
1) Coaches have to schedule conflicts based on driving time, etc., well in advance, so they can trade spots within their club. ("Cover me on weekend A, and I'll cover you on weekend B"). Moving teams up or down within a season makes this impossible.
2) Parents have to schedule the same for families where more than one kid plays. Again, unless all teams play at the same complexes constantly, you can't ask parents to be able to juggle this, it's just impossible.
3) There are too many teams out there to have all the teams play at the same complexes constantly.
4) It is impossible to stop unscrupulous coaches from sandbagging their "placement" games, and they don't even have to have the kids in on the scam. All it takes is for them to sit their best goalscorer or instruct the kids to use these games to learn how to play out of the back, and then the natural mistakes lead to losses.
5) It is impossible to stop unscrupulous clubs from using club pass players to win specific games.
I think it's important to recognize that any kind of team placement situation (I hesitate to call it pro/rel because it shouldn't be tied to record) can and will be gamed by parents and coaches who want to win. You can't go around implementing any kind of game monitoring system because that requires a level of coordination that neither Cal South, nor the leagues, have any incentive to invest in.
The reality is this-- you have four buckets of teams out there:
Beginners, who are just above rec level, just starting out and learning the game. It is in everyone's vested interest to have these teams play each other and only each other. It's fine for one of these teams who has a super athletic kid play up front and score a ton of goals who winds up being their bracket's mvp, you're always going to have that one kid playing above their league. What you want to avoid is having one of these teams wind up playing against established teams and get blown out all the time-- that winds up getting teams to disband. Classify these teams as having 0-1 years of experience tops or eligible teams from the bracket above who won less than 25% of their games.
Competitive teams who have a hard time winning. These are the teams who will challenge any other team but for whatever reason have a hard time scoring goals, or still make more mistakes on defense than they can make up for on offense, you know the drill. Classify these teams as 2-4 years of experience or coaches self-select teams from the bracket above who won less than 25% of their games, or coaches self-select teams from the bracket below who won more than 50% of their games.
Competitive teams who can close out a game. These are teams from the below bracket who have more scoring threats. They will consistently beat other competitive teams but who have a hard time eg winning a tournament when they go up against upper tier teams. Classify these teams as 3-5 years of experience, or coaches self-select teams from the bracket above who won less than 25% of their games, or coaches self-select teams from the bracket below who won more than 50% of their games.
Upper tier teams. These are the teams ready to take the step to what used to be the DA, or ECNL, etc etc. They will consistently win tournaments. Classify these teams as 3+ years of experience with coaches only self-selecting these teams but who have to have won 50% of their games from last year.
I think this is a good balance-- coaches aren't forced to win every single game, there is clear progression here, and there isn't automatic pro/rel for kids. Every game needs to be competitive but we recognize that there will be a percentage of games that simply won't be competitive. This kind of bracketing doesn't require any additional infrastructure to implement, lets the unscrupulous coaches stay within their lower brackets if they just want to win their Europa League, and the number of blowout matches is kept to a minimum.
notintheface
GOLD
This sentence, right here, is part of the reason why the US lags behind the world by such a huge amount.
Honestly- With the creation of all of these elite leagues- AYSO should become more relevant. (It won't. But it should)
Glitterhater
SILVER ELITE
Was this really requested? Like, take a bite of your sandwich, mask on, chew, mask down, bite.. rinse, repeat???
futboldad1
PREMIER
I understood it as wear your mask before your food arrives and after you've finished eating it.......... but I could be wrong as this is Gavin we are talking about......
futboldad1
PREMIER
That does not mean remove/add between each bite......
MacDre
PREMIER
Pathetic. Lacks balance. At high risk for injury. So, this looks like a perfect opportunity to diversify and develop some athleticism so those kids can minimize risk of injury playing soccer.
q.e.d.
futboldad1
PREMIER
His post was not pathetic but your rude response kinda is......
A fair defense of this is to say hey we all are human and people make mistakes...by "bites" he meant colloquially a meal or a course at a meal....he (or the intern posting it) just shoulda been more clear.
It is not a fair defense to say "That does not mean remove/add between each bite" when the language clearly states "don't forget to keep your mask on in between bites".
I swear the Internets is reaching true levels of gaslighting. We have always been at war with East Asia.
futboldad1
PREMIER
I hope the gaslighting comment is not aimed at me........ but yikes, if "bites" truly means each bite this is really really dumb........