NEW ECNL CHAT

dad4 said:
Any time one group calls another a “shit club”, the bias is out there front and center.

We all know that the main criteria for ECNL is simple. ECNL clubs want to restrict admission because they want less competition. They are willing to admit a few clubs if that’s what it takes to kill bigger competiton, like DA or GA.

If it were about “shit clubs”, it would be based on win/loss, and called pro/rel.
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I withdraw the comment about ”shit clubs“ and apologize for that. I should say less competitive clubs. I think it’s pretty easy to ID who the top clubs are and who the bottom dwellers are. No bias is needed there. On results and reputation alone, nationally, it’s fairly clear.

I also don’t think ECNL killed DA. US Soccer killed DA and GA is not “bigger competition“ than ECNL. Far from it.
 
Esteban said:
Just think about how huge this country is (size and population) and the GA has less than 60 teams spread across the entire country. I think the DA tried to do the same thing with about 65 teams, but they were going to lose a few back to ECNL this year if they had not disbanded.

The ECNL, on the other hand, now has about 120 clubs between ECNL/ECRL spread out over about the same area. That's not great, but it's twice as good as the DA last year and the GA this year. I grew up in Texas and the travel in that GA region is incomprehensible to me and, to make matters worse, the GA/DPL teams probably WON'T be using buses this season for their long trips. The families will travel alone most likely to those away games and most of them are in other states. It's just too much, in my opinion, for the GA. The DA was able to convince clubs to do it for a couple of years, but maybe their small number of teams helped them decide to disband the DA given all of the travel issues going forward. That can all change with a vaccine, of course, but we have no vaccine for SARS and MERS so it could it could be a while before we get one for Covid.

Another issue for the GA is it just looks bad that many of their top clubs are eager to accept an ECRL-only invitation from the ECNL for this upcoming season. If they were truly "all in" on the GA concept, then you'd expect them to turn down the ECRL and just move forward with GA and DPL teams.

Everyone can understand FC Dallas dumping the GA a week after it was announced to return to full ECNL membership, but teams like Legends, Beach, etc. only received ECRL invites. In addition, the ECRL/GA teams like Beach told the GA their top teams would only do the GA, but I sincerely doubt that will be the case.
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The new teams that were DA and are now ECNL will dominate in almost all age groups.
 
Ellejustus said:
SA: Anything else you want to add or address?

TEDDY CHRONOPOULOS: "Just that it’s really not an either or proposition in terms of MLS or ECNL as both MLS and non-MLS clubs can and should be working together as we move forward. As an example, in a city the size of Los Angeles, or even a region as big as say Missouri and Kansas where there is only one MLS club but multiple ECNL clubs, there are hundreds of prospective top-level players. Giving all of those players an opportunity to play, compete, improve, travel less and develop can happen in any top level environment. And sometimes, that “best environment” for a player is at a non-MLS club. If, over time, those players playing in a non-MLS academy show something unique, and the MLS and local ECNL clubs have nurtured their relationship, then conversations can take place over what is best for that player and how to move forward. The goal really has to be communication. As I said above, we have a good relationship with MLS clubs so we are excited about the future and what it might look like."

If SA ever asked me if i want to address anything else I would just say that my poor little rocket girl was forced with an Either Or proposition the last two and half years and that was wrong and unfair, even if it's free. Anyway, I wish all the leagues will open soon so the girls and boys can play soccer.
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Teddy is A well respected and knowledgeable director.
SA is a rag gossip column run by a self-promoting non-soccer person.
Teddy is never going to say anything bad about ECNL or MLS. He’s with Pateadores and their girls program got accepted in to ECRL trying to win their way in to ECNL and their boys didn’t get into ECNL so the MLS league was their only option. However I would argue the statement about having a good relationship with the MLS clubs. No one in socal likes the MLS clubs because they cherry pick their players constantly.
We will see what happens but you are right about one thing - let’s get the kids out playing again!
 
Copa9 said:
The new teams that were DA and are now ECNL will dominate in almost all age groups.
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Well they were pretty much dominating in ECNL before they left for DA right? So it would make sense that those clubs coming back to ECNL just pick up where they left off. Slammers will have some competition in SoCal now in the ECNL but it’s the same clubs returning to their ole’ stomping grounds to continue stomping. It’s clubs like Sharks, LA Breakers and Chula Vista shitting themselves now over who they have to play and what those score lines will possibly look like. Yikes.
 
dreamz said:
Well they were pretty much dominating in ECNL before they left for DA right? So it would make sense that those clubs coming back to ECNL just pick up where they left off. Slammers will have some competition in SoCal now in the ECNL but it’s the same clubs returning to their ole’ stomping grounds to continue stomping. It’s clubs like Sharks, LA Breakers and Chula Vista shitting themselves now over who they have to play and what those score lines will possibly look like. Yikes.
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@dreamz it's best to go off of facts not your or others opinions.....I heard some people say why did Real get back in, well we deserve it..... clubs like LA Surf and OC did not...... similarly with ECNL, you are riding Rebels but first year in ECNL and they are doing better than Arsenal so it is better to use stats not your bias...... do Beach and Legends derserve a shot, sure..... and maybe they get it next year


GDA AND ECNL 2020 Standings Per Club by PPG
GDA Current Standings (Based on PPG)
AVG StandingsU14U15U16U17U18/U19
San Diego Surf2.421441
Legends417525
LA Galaxy536178
Real So Cal5.2482102
Beach Futbol Club6.6132639
SC Blues6.6649113
Albion SC7.25510511
LA Galaxy San Diego8.210133114
Pateadores9.21212787
SC del Sol9.211312614
LA Surf SC9.49911126
Utah Royals FC - Arizona9.814118133
OC Surf Soccer10.671413910
Albion SC Las Vegas11.6810141412
ECNL Current Standings (Based on PPG)AVG StandingsU13U14U15U16U17U18U18 Comp
LAFC Slammers2.42111228
So Cal Blues SC3.73684311
Slammers FC4.663103163
LA Breakers FC6.35868494
Heat FC6.3144710117
Strikers FC6.6117357310
Arizona Arsenal SC7.1911126642
Phoenix Rising FC7.379221212No team
Rebels SC7.6821110589
Eagles SC7.64105121156
Arsenal FC8.9125999711
DMCV Sharks9.010127118105
 
Copa9 said:
The new teams that were DA and are now ECNL will dominate in almost all age groups.
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Lets go with the SW ECNL 04' group @Copa9 . I'm curious to hear from you who the top #1-#5 04' teams will be and what you mean by "dominate?" I like Surf, Blues, LAFC, Real SC and AZ Rising in that particular order but I don't see any of them dominating at all. Also Copa, keep in mind the ECNL teams not in the GDA last year have picked up some nice players from the former GDA teams and will have something to stand up for like my dd team. I think we have 5 really good teams and then the rest of us will be good and maybe great by the end of the season. Watch out for the Heat. I hear the rumor mill is going crazy out there.
 
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Ellejustus said:
Lets go with the SW ECNL 04' group @Copa9 . I'm curious to hear from you who the top #1-#5 04' teams will be and what you mean by "dominate?" I like Surf, Blues, LAFC, Real SC and AZ Rising in that particular order but I don't any of them dominating at all. Also Copa, keep in mind the ECNL teams not in the GDA last year have picked up some nice players from the former GDA teams and will have something to stand up for like my dd team. I think we have 5 really good teams and then the rest of us will be good and maybe great by the end of the season. Watch out for the Heat. I hear the rumor mill is going crazy out there.
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Jus ignore the troll bro, he's just angry at Ecnl so will do anything to try and put it down. his predictions and thoughts are worthless. but no shit Surf will do damage wherever they play, that club is stacked
 
futboldad1 said:
@dreamz it's best to go off of facts not your or others opinions.....I heard some people say why did Real get back in, well we deserve it..... clubs like LA Surf and OC did not...... similarly with ECNL, you are riding Rebels but first year in ECNL and they are doing better than Arsenal so it is better to use stats not your bias...... do Beach and Legends derserve a shot, sure..... and maybe they get it next year


GDA AND ECNL 2020 Standings Per Club by PPG
GDA Current Standings (Based on PPG)
AVG StandingsU14U15U16U17U18/U19
San Diego Surf2.421441
Legends417525
LA Galaxy536178
Real So Cal5.2482102
Beach Futbol Club6.6132639
SC Blues6.6649113
Albion SC7.25510511
LA Galaxy San Diego8.210133114
Pateadores9.21212787
SC del Sol9.211312614
LA Surf SC9.49911126
Utah Royals FC - Arizona9.814118133
OC Surf Soccer10.671413910
Albion SC Las Vegas11.6810141412
ECNL Current Standings (Based on PPG)AVG StandingsU13U14U15U16U17U18U18 Comp
LAFC Slammers2.42111228
So Cal Blues SC3.73684311
Slammers FC4.663103163
LA Breakers FC6.35868494
Heat FC6.3144710117
Strikers FC6.6117357310
Arizona Arsenal SC7.1911126642
Phoenix Rising FC7.379221212No team
Rebels SC7.6821110589
Eagles SC7.64105121156
Arsenal FC8.9125999711
DMCV Sharks9.010127118105
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So Sharks and Arsenal would be relegated if the relegation rule is adopted by the ECNL, Eagles and Rebels put on notice or at risk too. Interesting.

From the DevAc it looks like there is only Legends followed a few spots behind by Beach that have a strong case to be included. All the other clubs in the top half of the table are already now in the ECNL (Surf Blues Real) or shutdown (Galaxy Southbay). Bottom half of DevAc seemed to really struggle
 
futboldad1 said:
@dreamz it's best to go off of facts not your or others opinions.....I heard some people say why did Real get back in, well we deserve it..... clubs like LA Surf and OC did not...... similarly with ECNL, you are riding Rebels but first year in ECNL and they are doing better than Arsenal so it is better to use stats not your bias...... do Beach and Legends derserve a shot, sure..... and maybe they get it next year


GDA AND ECNL 2020 Standings Per Club by PPG
GDA Current Standings (Based on PPG)
AVG StandingsU14U15U16U17U18/U19
San Diego Surf2.421441
Legends417525
LA Galaxy536178
Real So Cal5.2482102
Beach Futbol Club6.6132639
SC Blues6.6649113
Albion SC7.25510511
LA Galaxy San Diego8.210133114
Pateadores9.21212787
SC del Sol9.211312614
LA Surf SC9.49911126
Utah Royals FC - Arizona9.814118133
OC Surf Soccer10.671413910
Albion SC Las Vegas11.6810141412
ECNL Current Standings (Based on PPG)AVG StandingsU13U14U15U16U17U18U18 Comp
LAFC Slammers2.42111228
So Cal Blues SC3.73684311
Slammers FC4.663103163
LA Breakers FC6.35868494
Heat FC6.3144710117
Strikers FC6.6117357310
Arizona Arsenal SC7.1911126642
Phoenix Rising FC7.379221212No team
Rebels SC7.6821110589
Eagles SC7.64105121156
Arsenal FC8.9125999711
DMCV Sharks9.010127118105
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Futboldad, first off I said pretty much, not totally.
Second, I was talking about the clubs that left ECNL for DA and came back to ECNL. That doesn’t include Rebels, LA Surf, Arsenal or Sharks.
Arsenal has been in ECNL since Day 1. They have been loyal and have won a lot in ECNL (maybe not recently but historically). Legends and beach absolutely deserve to be in ECNL but they’ll have to qualify their way in through ECRL. Good or bad, ECNL isn’t going to kick out bottom dwellers to make room for the better clubs like Beach and Legends although it would be best for the competition.
LAG is gone so cross them off the list.
Real gets in because of their history and producing quality teams.
So there is no bias here. Just look at the history of the GDA teams that left ECNL and how they did in ECNL. The bottom of ECNL and the bottom of GDA are filler games for the conference and why clubs like OC Surf didn’t get back in to to ECNL.
 
Copa9 said:
The new teams that were DA and are now ECNL will dominate in almost all age groups.
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Based on what??? movement in clubs.. tryouts.. because the team last year is not the same team this year... with all of what is going on the condensed training and fitness the former DA clubs will do over their ECNL equals? What is your proof broad nationwide not just socal there chief.
 
dreamz said:
Futboldad, first off I said pretty much, not totally.
Second, I was talking about the clubs that left ECNL for DA and came back to ECNL. That doesn’t include Rebels, LA Surf, Arsenal or Sharks.
Arsenal has been in ECNL since Day 1. They have been loyal and have won a lot in ECNL (maybe not recently but historically). Legends and beach absolutely deserve to be in ECNL but they’ll have to qualify their way in through ECRL. Good or bad, ECNL isn’t going to kick out bottom dwellers to make room for the better clubs like Beach and Legends although it would be best for the competition.
LAG is gone so cross them off the list.
Real gets in because of their history and producing quality teams.
So there is no bias here. Just look at the history of the GDA teams that left ECNL and how they did in ECNL. The bottom of ECNL and the bottom of GDA are filler games for the conference and why clubs like OC Surf didn’t get back in to to ECNL.
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I would politely suggest you be more clear in your postings if that is what you meant..... as what you did was rip on Rebels when there are 3 ECNL clubs (Sharks, Arsenal and Eagles) ranked below or equal to them.... this would indicate a bias.....Arsenal ECNL being "historically" good has the same relevance to the conversation that Kaiserslautern in Germany were Bundelsliga champions..... now Kaiserslautern play in the third tier so history only gets you so far and if you can't take advantage of it then there can be consequences.....if Arsenal had won something or even competed club wide last year and underperformed only this year it would have more relevance..... but I agree that precedence says they will not be relegated...... I do not want to argue, but it is undeniably important to go from statistics on clubs and teams rather than people's perceptions....... full disclosure is I have family friends at Rebels so stay unbiased by looking only at the raw numbers....... hope this makes sense as I do not disagree with everything you wrote (I agree the bottom 1/3 or maybe 1/2 of each table is not especially "elite"...... but do have issue with some parts of what you've been saying that I hope I have adequately explained...... I just pray we get a full 20--21 season and have both a new data set and most important a fantastic year of ECNL soccer and experiences for all of our DDs involved
 
futboldad1 said:
I would politely suggest you be more clear in your postings if that is what you meant..... as what you did was rip on Rebels when there are 3 ECNL clubs (Sharks, Arsenal and Eagles) ranked below or equal to them.... this would indicate a bias.....Arsenal ECNL being "historically" good has the same relevance to the conversation that Kaiserslautern in Germany were Bundelsliga champions..... now Kaiserslautern play in the third tier so history only gets you so far and if you can't take advantage of it then there can be consequences.....if Arsenal had won something or even competed club wide last year and underperformed only this year it would have more relevance..... but I agree that precedence says they will not be relegated...... I do not want to argue, but it is undeniably important to go from statistics on clubs and teams rather than people's perceptions....... full disclosure is I have family friends at Rebels so stay unbiased by looking only at the raw numbers....... hope this makes sense as I do not disagree with everything you wrote (I agree the bottom 1/3 or maybe 1/2 of each table is not especially "elite"...... but do have issue with some parts of what you've been saying that I hope I have adequately explained...... I just pray we get a full 20--21 season and have both a new data set and most important a fantastic year of ECNL soccer and experiences for all of our DDs involved
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Dad who loves futbol, my only issue I have with all the data ((thanks btw, except to say I think Strikers 04 team is really #3, not #5. .07 and something is really a tie for 3rd place in my book and the last game against AZ Arsenal team was not supposed to happen. What place would we be in if we did beat AZ Arsenal?)) The other only issue I have with all these teams is they will all be new teams with new players on them and some girls who quit or just dont want to travel. SW ECNL is going to be a blast and I can;t wait for it to all begin. Thanks for putting all this data together brother :)
 
Ellejustus said:
Dad who loves futbol, my only issue I have with all the data ((thanks btw, except to say I think Strikers 04 team is really #3, not #5. .07 and something is really a tie for 3rd place in my book and the last game against AZ Arsenal team was not supposed to happen. What place would we be in if we did beat AZ Arsenal?)) The other only issue I have with all these teams is they will all be new teams with new players on them and some girls who quit or just dont want to travel. SW ECNL is going to be a blast and I can;t wait for it to all begin. Thanks for putting all this data together brother :)
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I hear you my friend but a game is a game and every team has circumstances that affect them.... illness, injury, conflicts..... so a result is a result you know that as a competitor..... but 20--21 is soon upon us so your amazing DD and her great team will get to dominate ON THE FIELD at U17.... and I will crunch the new numbers off of it lol....with some help from sdb ;)

and thank you for the props.... :)
 
futboldad1 said:
I hear you my friend but a game is a game and every team has circumstances that affect them.... illness, injury, conflicts..... so a result is a result you know that as a competitor..... but 20--21 is soon upon us so your amazing DD and her great team will get to dominate ON THE FIELD at U17.... and I will crunch the new numbers off of it lol....with some help from sdb ;)

and thank you for the props.... :)
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Dang, a true competitor you are and you're 100% correct. i told my dd before that AZ game at home during Thanksgiving vacation that is a was a trap game. We did have a travel day up to LA to take on the Breakers. That AZ team was lights out and caught us all on vacation. I hear they picked up quite a haul for next 2020-2021 seasn. I like that Rising team too. Don;t sleep on AZ Socal or Vegas for that matter. MLVA is #1 for sure in the 04 age. Just make the Champions playoffs next year is my personal hope. I also said we wouldn't for the 2nd tier playoffs and that was not me being a good team parent. I take that back. That was just my pride bro. Good luck to the kiddos bro :)
 
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Ellejustus said:
Dang, a true competitor you are and you're 100% correct. i told my dd before that AZ game at home during Thanksgiving vacation that is a was a trap game. We did have a travel day up to LA to take on the Breakers. That AZ team was lights out and caught us all on vacation. I hear they picked up quite a haul for next 2020-2021 seasn. I like that Rising team too. Don;t sleep on AZ Socal or Vegas for that matter. MLVA is #1 for sure in the 04 age. Just make the Champions playoffs next year is my personal hope. I also said we wouldn't for the 2nd tier playoffs and that was not me being a good team parent. I take that back. That was just my pride bro. Good luck to the kiddos bro :)
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I know Blues 04 has picked up some NTP and basically a new team; watch out MVLA.
 
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