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Gonzaga suspends John Stockton's men's basketball tickets for failure to follow COVID-19 mask mandate
From John. This guy was a baller, let's here what he has to say.
"Basically, it came down to, they were asking me to wear a mask to the games and being a public figure, someone a little bit more visible, I stuck out in the crowd a little bit," Stockton told the newspaper. "And therefore they received complaints and felt like from whatever the higher-ups -- those weren't discussed, but from whatever it was higher up -- they were going to have to either ask me to wear a mask or they were going to suspend my tickets."
The "higher ups" are the snobs from Nocal who are either afraid or being snobs or both. Elitist at their finest. if you don't follow our mandates, you can't come here anymore or play soccer. I told you this group owned & controlled soccer. It's all over. We got it all. It will take time to clean this mess up though. So sad to see the division but this is time to not comply to these lame rules.
From John. This guy was a baller, let's here what he has to say.
"Basically, it came down to, they were asking me to wear a mask to the games and being a public figure, someone a little bit more visible, I stuck out in the crowd a little bit," Stockton told the newspaper. "And therefore they received complaints and felt like from whatever the higher-ups -- those weren't discussed, but from whatever it was higher up -- they were going to have to either ask me to wear a mask or they were going to suspend my tickets."
The "higher ups" are the snobs from Nocal who are either afraid or being snobs or both. Elitist at their finest. if you don't follow our mandates, you can't come here anymore or play soccer. I told you this group owned & controlled soccer. It's all over. We got it all. It will take time to clean this mess up though. So sad to see the division but this is time to not comply to these lame rules.
The article in question is an opinion piece.
Covid-19 vaccines and treatments: we must have raw data, now
Data should be fully and immediately available for public scrutiny In the pages of The BMJ a decade ago, in the middle of a different pandemic, it came to light that governments around the world had spent billions stockpiling antivirals for influenza that had not been shown to reduce the risk...
www.bmj.com
i agree with you that vaccines seem to be effective. But I also wonder why they stopped posting vaccinated vs unvaccinated on many Covid dashboards. In OC they unvaccinated started at 95, then 90, then down to 80, then no more displaying. It is pretty clear they do not want the public to see the numbers show that vaccinated people are getting the virus at a higher rate than yff he e unvaccinated, even though as you have well stated that it will eventually be inevitable if vaccination rates increase.
So I get your issue, so here is mine. It is clear now more than ever that it is possible to get the virus, spread the virus and be hospitalized if you have been vaccinated or not. So, why do vaccinated people care If people don’t want to get a flu/Covid shot? The only reason left is that it fills up the hospitals. But that is hardly true. The SacBee reported that 24% were taking by Covid patients. That means 75% were taken by others like obsess overweight, diabetic, smokers, and drug related issues. We can stop all those hospitalizations as well, obesity has increased 20% over the last 5 years, but we don’t regulate that? I just don’t see how some can pick and choose what is mandated. I don’t eat fast food or drink so I don’t think anyone else should either but I’m not complaining about there being a mandate for it
Desert Hound
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So what part of the opinion piece do you disagree with?The article in question is an opinion piece.
Covid-19 vaccines and treatments: we must have raw data, now
Data should be fully and immediately available for public scrutiny In the pages of The BMJ a decade ago, in the middle of a different pandemic, it came to light that governments around the world had spent billions stockpiling antivirals for influenza that had not been shown to reduce the risk...
- That they should release the study information related to testing of the various vaccines?
- Or do you disagree with the fact that the FDA doesn't want to release certain information for 75 years?
And which of the above is right wing and not worthy of discussion?
Do you prefer not to know what their testing shows? And what rational basis would the FDA have for asking for a 75 yr delay in releasing information?
Desert Hound
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A striking feature of the excerpts released in the committee’s January 11, 2022 letter is that the virologists had little doubt that the virus bore the fingerprints of manipulation. The focus of their attention was a genetic element called a furin cleavage site. This short snippet of genetic material is what makes the virus so infectious for human cells. Scientists sometimes add this element to laboratory viruses to make them more virulent, but in nature, viruses usually acquire runs of genetic material like this by swapping them with other members of their family. The furin cleavage site in the Covid virus sticks out like a sore thumb because no other known member of its family—a group called Sarbecoviruses—possesses a furin cleavage site. So how did the virus acquire it?
www.city-journal.org
A Covid Origin Conspiracy? | City Journal
Newly released emails make more plausible the contention that Anthony Fauci and Francis Collins presided over the suppression of the lab-leak theory for political reasons.
what-happened
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You've simplified my (and likely others on here) view on vaccines and mandates. No where have I stated my opposition to vaccines. I'm vaccinated, my employees are vaccinated, 75% of my family is vaccinated. I've had a breakthrough infection, a very mild one at that. No one in my family is boosted and will not get boosted. My employees will choose whether they get boosted.
The data is clear and supports the efficacy in preventing severe disease and death, especially those ove 65. My issue isn't even with people who blindly follow policy makers driven by political aspiration. It's evident to me that science and logic has been abandoned or mabye even lost to politics and fear.
The vaccines do not: provide complete protection to the vaccinated, confer immunity on par or better than prior infection, and do not prevent transmission. If all of this is true, then mandates don't make sense, the logic fails.
There are plenty of novel therapututics available that reduce risk of hospitalization and death by 50-90%. Exisiting drugs repurposed drugs have been proven to be more effective. And our health care systems have evolved in executing critical care for covid. Are our health systems being challenged right now? Sure. They always are this time of the year. COVID has challenged them more - more involved in treating covid patients, availability of staff, etc.
At this point, mandates don't make sense, plenty of reasons why. Choice is a good idea though. Good health is hard to mandate. Even terminally ill patients dont' listen to their providers. Has always been like that. Really good bedside manners and education usually work better than mandates.
I saw a pic of LA Ram fans all fired up watching the game with No mask on. Today, I see kids waiting for bus, all with mask and bus driver with a mask on. Something a lot worse then mandates is going on.
met61
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Difference being, your position regarding vaccines has been, and continues to be, ever-changing, based on the effectiveness, or lack thereof, of the vaccine...hell, the government had to change the definition of vaccine to meet their narrative and you just blindly accepted it. Your position has been forced to evolve basically to...since I've gotten the vaccine and boosters then everyone else must get them as well. The only position in all this that has remained consistent is that of personal choice and no mandates for an experimental vaccine.
You liberals and media lackeys used to question and challenge government at every turn...now you're nothing more than government cheerleaders.
kickingandscreaming
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kickingandscreaming
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It's actually much worse than cheerleading. Many have become authoritarian suppressors of free speech and choice.
met61
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I was being kind...I stand corrected.
These men are on the yell team bro. "Let's go team Vax, boosters and mask" This Vax team is full of spite, full of fear and yes, full of shit!!! That my friend is why we all lost two years of our freedom and counting.
More letters going to Newsom. This time lead by doctors at UCSF
www.kron4.com
COVID is now an ‘endemic,’ not a ‘pandemic,’ San Francisco doctors say
Doctors are calling for a language pivot to emphasize that California should work toward “an end to all remaining restrictions, particularly as they apply to children.”
www.kron4.com
FYI Everyone, all kids in the future will each have two dog angels like this on each side of them. Spike and Buster, Dog Angels to the rescue!!!
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EvilGoalie 21
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Since the polybasic furin site came up again, media speculation that this is some kind of smoking gun regarding origin is good for clicks and political theater but that's about it. The current state of the matter is that it really does not weigh in one way or another. Natural origin or accidental lab leak remain the two most probable interpretations. There is as of yet no firm proof of either scenario and neither one has been eliminated as a possibility.
https://www.cell.com/cell/pdf/S0092-8674(21)00991-0.pdf
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0092867421007091
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.01.22.427830v3
https://www.cell.com/cell/pdf/S0092-8674(21)00991-0.pdf
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0092867421007091
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.01.22.427830v3
There is a coreection posted with the article now --
This editorial by Peter Doshi and colleagues (BMJ 2022;376
102, doi:10.1136/bmj.o102) originally stated that the Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) has “stopped posting information released in response to freedom of information requests on its website.” The online version has been corrected to say that MHRA’s posting is delayed, not stopped completely. MHRA posted no additional freedom of information requests on its website between 14 August and 28 December 2021. Since 29 December, however, it has posted a selection of materials for responses from July to September.This is where I take issue. The vaccine, especially with a booster has shown to reduce infection. Is it 100% no, but we've gone over that over and over again. Every study, and every Bay Area county, has it around 70-75% reduction in infection. The data is clear. The counter argument you always come back with is natural immunity. Again, uninformed and misguided. The vaccine is much safer than taking a chance on getting infected and hoping you just have mild symptoms. On top of that, the vaccine helps reduce strain on our systems. The natural immunity path is not as predictable and there's no way to reverse course once you go that direction.
I personally don't care if y'all get the vaccine or not. Your choice. I've been clear about that since day one. I'm not pro-mandate. I am pro-logic. The politicization of this issue is the real drag -- and is abundantly present on this thread.
And another point -- the FDA did not ask for a 75-year delay in releasing information. The FDA stated that there was a lot of data and at its current rate of reviewing (for legal and scientific purposes) that data before releasing to the public (500 pages per day) that it would take 75 years to review and release it all. A federal judge has ordered the FDA to speed things up.
As for what is right wing -- I decided not to pay the $1 and read the paywalled Epoch Times article, so I don't know what is in there. In my opinion, however, the fallacy that the FDA will not release any data for 75 years smells like it came from an unreliable source. Further investigation of the source of that claim might be assisted if you tell us where you got it.