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Deaths from all causes is up 3% this year through today compared to the expected deaths (average of the last three years adjusted for population growth).

How much of that is a result of the lockdowns? Suicides, Domestic Violence, People scared of going to emergency rooms because theyre scared of getting COVID, etc.
 
So you think I’m cherry-picking by citing Covid-19 death data from the state where we actually live? That’s funny.
And ironically California might be too big to compare to those two "entire" countries. It has 19% more land mass than Germany and its population is 700% that of the tiny city-state of Singapore.
 
Kids can get flu vaccine shots and there is a large catalog of effective treatments for kids who get it anyway.

We are working on the equivalents for covid-19 right now.
So COVID is less dangerous than the Flu for kids even with the flu vaccine. Got it. Thanks.
 
Kids can get flu vaccine shots and there is a large catalog of effective treatments for kids who get it anyway.

We are working on the equivalents for covid-19 right now.
Even with kids receiving flu vaccine shots, they are effected exponentially more by the flu virus then the Covid virus. ALL DATA points show kids are fine to play.
 
You should also look at deaths by week in the US and note how despite states opening up, more testing positive...deaths have plummeted.

The week of 4/18 the US had 16300 deaths
The week of 6/13 the US had 1260 deaths
It does seem there is a decline but we don't know by how much yet looking at the CDC data because there is a significant reporting lag. As the footnote on the CDC Provisional Death Count page says: "Previous analyses of 2015–2016 provisional data completeness have found that completeness is lower in the first few weeks following the date of death (<25%), and then increases over time such that data are generally at least 75% complete within 8 weeks of when the death occurred." See https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm. On top of this reporting delay it's at least 2-8 weeks from infection to death. So it could be a while before we can judge the true impact of these new outbreaks.
 
Even with kids receiving flu vaccine shots, they are effected exponentially more by the flu virus then the Covid virus. ALL DATA points show kids are fine to play.

Could you please present ALL DATA and your personal definition for "exponentially"?
 
Could you please present ALL DATA and your personal definition for "exponentially"?
Are you denying the flu kills children under 17 (Even though we have a flu vaccine) while there are 0 COVID deaths for kids under 17 in california?
 
It does seem there is a decline but we don't know by how much yet looking at the CDC data because there is a significant reporting lag. As the footnote on the CDC Provisional Death Count page says: "Previous analyses of 2015–2016 provisional data completeness have found that completeness is lower in the first few weeks following the date of death (<25%), and then increases over time such that data are generally at least 75% complete within 8 weeks of when the death occurred." See https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm. On top of this reporting delay it's at least 2-8 weeks from infection to death. So it could be a while before we can judge the true impact of these new outbreaks.
They do project a "final" number of deaths up to the current full week based on adjusting real data for expected growth due to future reporting. Here it is for the US. Same things apply as stated for my previous post regarding CA. Both this and the CA graph support that deaths have been falling significantly from the peak.



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Could you please present ALL DATA and your personal definition for "exponentially"?
No reason to be a broken record, please do your own research. Where's your data that shows the flu is less deadlier than Covid?I have plenty of data. Don't rely on data posted here, take the time and effort to come to your own conclusions. It's easy to ask questions and play devil's advocate. When Data shows that there is a zero percent chance my kid will die from the Covid virus, I am very comfortable for my kid to play, bottom line.
 
No reason to be a broken record, please do your own research. Where's your data that shows the flu is less deadlier than Covid?I have plenty of data. Don't rely on data posted here, take the time and effort to come to your own conclusions. It's easy to ask questions and play devil's advocate. When Data shows that there is a zero percent chance my kid will die from the Covid virus, I am very comfortable for my kid to play, bottom line.

You're the one who made the claim, so you should be the one doing the reasearch.
 
Maybe. I would like to see the data source first.

Symptomatic IllnessesMedical VisitsHospitalizationsDeaths
Age groupEstimate95% UIEstimate95% UIEstimate95% UIEstimate95%UI
0-4 yrs3,633,104(2,506,551, 7,199,330)2,434,180(1,667,892, 4,820,252)25,328(17,475, 50,191)266(85, 713)
5-17 yrs7,663,310(6,027,982, 10,438,419)3,984,921(3,067,414, 5,415,715)21,012(16,528, 28,621)211(38, 640)
 

Symptomatic IllnessesMedical VisitsHospitalizationsDeaths
Age groupEstimate95% UIEstimate95% UIEstimate95% UIEstimate95%UI
0-4 yrs3,633,104(2,506,551, 7,199,330)2,434,180(1,667,892, 4,820,252)25,328(17,475, 50,191)266(85, 713)
5-17 yrs7,663,310(6,027,982, 10,438,419)3,984,921(3,067,414, 5,415,715)21,012(16,528, 28,621)211(38, 640)

Symptomatic IllnessesMedical VisitsHospitalizationsDeaths
Age groupEstimate95% UIEstimate95% UIEstimate95% UIEstimate95%UI
0-4 yrs3,633,104(2,506,551, 7,199,330)2,434,180(1,667,892, 4,820,252)25,328(17,475, 50,191)266(85, 713)
5-17 yrs7,663,310(6,027,982, 10,438,419)3,984,921(3,067,414, 5,415,715)21,012(16,528, 28,621)211(38, 640)

That's for 2018-19, and it's for all of USA, not just California.
 
They do project a "final" number of deaths up to the current full week based on adjusting real data for expected growth due to future reporting. Here it is for the US. Same things apply as stated for my previous post regarding CA. Both this and the CA graph support that deaths have been falling significantly from the peak.



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I should have looked closer. The last week is the week ending June 6th. So, they appear to wait a full two weeks before trying to report anything. I would expect them to be able to project pretty accurately at this point given that much runway. The week ending June 6th is actually just under the 95% CI bar (same with CA).

The lags make it difficult to really get a feel for what direction things are moving currently. Positive testing doesn't correlate as strongly to hospitalization and then deaths as it did in the beginning when only obviously sick people were being tested. AZ was in the news recently about positive testing, but the lags were significant for their data. So, I keep looking at the ICU Hospital Beds available as these numbers can be reported daily without lag. They have leveled off the past week around 85%. The most recent plateau is from 6/16-6/22/

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you can look at the other years, its on the same website. Then you can compare it to all covid deaths at under 17 years of age in the U.S.

Your challenge was "Are you denying the flu kills children under 17 (Even though we have a flu vaccine) while there are 0 COVID deaths for kids under 17 in California?"

Your quoted source says nothing of the "California" part.
 
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