Surf Players Being Discouraged from playing HS?

[GoldenGate]

College coaches cannot make offers prior to June 15th. Previously they could, and they could do it only through contacts arranged by club coaches. Coaches like Baker acted as player agents/gatekeepers because he knew they could not reach out to players directly. If you had a clue you would know how releived college coaches were with the rule changes. No longer beholden to club coaches. And, if you think college coaches are putting their trust and livelihood in the hands of club coaches by cheating through them, you are a fool. Also, no matter what a club coach may tell a family, there is still zero communication between the player and the college coach. So no way to know if an illegal offer is even legit.

You're one of those morons who created a video and then started emailing college coaches on June 15 after sophomore year thinking that is how it's done, aren't you? Well, I hate to tell you this, but what you thought was the beginning of the race was actually near the end for most top level programs. They weren't reading your kid's email because they were busy on calls making offers that had been discussed and agreed to much earlier between the college and club coaches, and then the club coaches and the parents. College coaches love the new rules because recruiting is now much easier. They can get player recommendations from the club coaches, watch some showcases in peace, and not have to worry about placating kids and families through weirdly set up phone calls and unofficial visits. In fact, they can and are making offers and pressuring decisions even before kids can visit on campus, which is really fucked up. Under the new rules, families must rely on what their club coach is telling them about college programs because they can't even see for themselves before having to decide whether to accept or decline an offer.

I concede that what you are saying may have some truth at lower tier schools, which are always scrambling at the end for the left overs, which makes me think your kid is not an alpha but one of the left overs. So go for it, do things your way. Have your daughter play at a lower tier club and rely on videos of her tearing up AYSO teams. Just remember to set it to some hipster music to really make it pop. I hear Fresno State is always looking for players.

 

[dk_b]

You're one of those morons who created a video and then started emailing college coaches on June 15 after sophomore year thinking that is how it's done, aren't you? Well, I hate to tell you this, but what you thought was the beginning of the race was actually near the end for most top level programs. They weren't reading your kid's email because they were busy on calls making offers that had been discussed and agreed to much earlier between the college and club coaches, and then the club coaches and the parents. College coaches love the new rules because recruiting is now much easier. They can get player recommendations from the club coaches, watch some showcases in peace, and not have to worry about placating kids and families through weirdly set up phone calls and unofficial visits. In fact, they can and are making offers and pressuring decisions even before kids can visit on campus, which is really fucked up. Under the new rules, families must rely on what their club coach is telling them about college programs because they can't even see for themselves before having to decide whether to accept or decline an offer.

I concede that what you are saying may have some truth at lower tier schools, which are always scrambling at the end for the left overs, which makes me think your kid is not an alpha but one of the left overs. So go for it, do things your way. Have your daughter play at a lower tier club and rely on videos of her tearing up AYSO teams. Just remember to set it to some hipster music to really make it pop. I hear Fresno State is always looking for players.

Really unfortunate that you go out of your way to antagonize, insult and demean people and schools. There is substance to your comments that I find really interesting and germane to the discussion but you are not really interested in discussion but in dominating the thread. It is so tiresome and symbolic of why I left this for a while earlier in the year. There are others on this board who have had kids w/successful recruiting experiences who don’t bring near the arrogance that you do because they understand that there are many avenues to the “right” school for each kid and the fact that they may be parenting one who is considered “elite” enough for the top programs does not anoint them and their story some special status. Your use of the terms “alpha” and “left overs” is so telling, just like your ad hominem on Crash (that was just mean). I go out of my way to try to stay down the middle on my commenting - I don’t seek fights and try not to insult - but this is just ridiculous and you need to be called on it. I’d be surprised if my observations are not shared by others (even folks who may disagree w/me on the topic and even folks who might agree with you in substance but not in style).

 

[Carlsbad7]

How's the job search going? How's your daughter's recruiting process going? Are you still living out of a van?

 

[crush]

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I've been dealing with this rich parent who got his hands in the soccer cookie jar for a long time. It's ok, I can take it. Dude was so mad when my dd left with her dignity and chin up. The mental abuse these assholes put on 13 year olds is insane.

 

[crush]

Coach Mario just sent me a Surf Jr Tryouts for the 2016 and 2017 age group for next season. 4 and 5 year olds. No traveling ((yay)) and all local games. 12 month program so dont you dare think about playing biddy basketball or God forbid want to go Surf the waves. Starting so young....

 

[outside!]

Really unfortunate that you go out of your way to antagonize, insult and demean people and schools. There is substance to your comments that I find really interesting and germane to the discussion but you are not really interested in discussion but in dominating the thread. It is so tiresome and symbolic of why I left this for a while earlier in the year. There are others on this board who have had kids w/successful recruiting experiences who don’t bring near the arrogance that you do because they understand that there are many avenues to the “right” school for each kid and the fact that they may be parenting one who is considered “elite” enough for the top programs does not anoint them and their story some special status. Your use of the terms “alpha” and “left overs” is so telling, just like your ad hominem on Crash (that was just mean). I go out of my way to try to stay down the middle on my commenting - I don’t seek fights and try not to insult - but this is just ridiculous and you need to be called on it. I’d be surprised if my observations are not shared by others (even folks who may disagree w/me on the topic and even folks who might agree with you in substance but not in style).

I would like to congratulate you on not saying the words that many of us are thinking. You are much more diplomatic than me. I feel sorry for their player, unless they have a personality to match.

 

[GoldenGate]

Really unfortunate that you go out of your way to antagonize, insult and demean people and schools. There is substance to your comments that I find really interesting and germane to the discussion but you are not really interested in discussion but in dominating the thread. It is so tiresome and symbolic of why I left this for a while earlier in the year. There are others on this board who have had kids w/successful recruiting experiences who don’t bring near the arrogance that you do because they understand that there are many avenues to the “right” school for each kid and the fact that they may be parenting one who is considered “elite” enough for the top programs does not anoint them and their story some special status. Your use of the terms “alpha” and “left overs” is so telling, just like your ad hominem on Crash (that was just mean). I go out of my way to try to stay down the middle on my commenting - I don’t seek fights and try not to insult - but this is just ridiculous and you need to be called on it. I’d be surprised if my observations are not shared by others (even folks who may disagree w/me on the topic and even folks who might agree with you in substance but not in style).

Calling people out for their bs is a public service. If they want to trash someone's livelihood with a bunch of bs lies, they get the respect they deserve, which is none. Making up shit to attack people is what this forum does best. Conspiracy theories about Cromwell committing crimes and conspiring with the LA Times and the feds? So much fun! Baker and McGuire abusing children? Even better! The dude who fielded a team of Brazilians and won some kiddie tournament? Now's our chance to go full xenophobe! And, of course, let's trash Rapinoe, because homophobia is hard to get away with anywhere else!

Honestly, how hard is it to say that Surf and Deza discourage HS soccer but it's not what you want for your kid, and leave it at that? Impossible apparently. Instead you get the goalie helicopter mom alleging that Deza is "threatening" people (twice) and engaging in behavior that is "shocking", crush commiserating about "how sad" it is what Deza is doing to children, socalsoccer dad claiming what coaches are doing is "unethical" after making up a fake and unsupported allegation that some unidentified coach "forced" kids to change soccer clubs so they could play HS soccer, bigd claiming that Deza is trying to "control your children" and scam you out of money, and then crush again, this time trashing foreigners. Yet you think I'm the problem for making fun of it.

The reality is that Surf and Deza discourage soccer because they are trying to help their players and they believe it's the best way to do it. There's no conspiracy. Being honest about their goals and expectations is not a "threat". They aren't trying to "control your children" or scam you to line their pockets. It's your problem if you think it's fun to make up bs about people that actually impacts their livelihood, but it's not ok for me to mock them for the complete and utter stupidity of what they're saying.

 

[GT45]

You're one of those morons who created a video and then started emailing college coaches on June 15 after sophomore year thinking that is how it's done, aren't you? Well, I hate to tell you this, but what you thought was the beginning of the race was actually near the end for most top level programs. They weren't reading your kid's email because they were busy on calls making offers that had been discussed and agreed to much earlier between the college and club coaches, and then the club coaches and the parents. College coaches love the new rules because recruiting is now much easier. They can get player recommendations from the club coaches, watch some showcases in peace, and not have to worry about placating kids and families through weirdly set up phone calls and unofficial visits. In fact, they can and are making offers and pressuring decisions even before kids can visit on campus, which is really fucked up. Under the new rules, families must rely on what their club coach is telling them about college programs because they can't even see for themselves before having to decide whether to accept or decline an offer.

I concede that what you are saying may have some truth at lower tier schools, which are always scrambling at the end for the left overs, which makes me think your kid is not an alpha but one of the left overs. So go for it, do things your way. Have your daughter play at a lower tier club and rely on videos of her tearing up AYSO teams. Just remember to set it to some hipster music to really make it pop. I hear Fresno State is always looking for players.

No, I am not a moron, Angry Dude. I know the process quite well, and I am friendly with many top college coaches. Your attitude is downright comical. You are the angry boss shouting at us pions (in your very small mind), like some know-it-all. Your credibility was shot early on in your posting. I just laugh at your posts now. Go take a breath. You take yourself way too seriously. Why are you so angry? And, your defense of Deza is hilarious. Is that you, Mr. Deza?

Oh, by the way, the new recruiting rules have really only taken effect for the 2023's, since the 2022's were bit by Covid. There was nothing normal about their journeys. So your know-it-all attitude on the new recruiting rules is a figmant of your imagination.

 

[GoldenGate]

No, I am not a moron, Angry Dude. I know the process quite well, and I am friendly with many top college coaches. Your attitude is downright comical. You are the angry boss shouting at us pions (in your very small mind), like some know-it-all. Your credibility was shot early on in your posting. I just laugh at your posts now. Go take a breath. You take yourself way too seriously. Why are you so angry? And, your defense of Deza is hilarious. Is that you, Mr. Deza?

Oh, by the way, the new recruiting rules have really only taken effect for the 2023's, since the 2022's were bit by Covid. There was nothing normal about their journeys. So your know-it-all attitude on the new recruiting rules is a figmant of your imagination.

Angry? I'm having a perfectly enjoyable time mocking people here. Maybe we should change the subject and accuse some random soccer coach of abusing children or taking bribes. It's been almost two days since the last time.

 

[GT45]

Angry? I'm having a perfectly enjoyable time mocking people here. Maybe we should change the subject and accuse some random soccer coach of abusing children or taking bribes. It's been almost two days since the last time.

Yeah angry. Go read your posts. You are in this power shouting match. Go look at how many posters are supporting posts for calling you out on your b.s. Now look at who supports your posts. That would be no one.

 

[MicPaPa]

Angry? I'm having a perfectly enjoyable time mocking people here. Maybe we should change the subject and accuse some random soccer coach of abusing children or taking bribes. It's been almost two days since the last time.

Or, maybe you should to go face to face with goalie helicopter mommies husband, eh cyber stud?

 

[MicPaPa]

Never ceases to amaze me what a keyboard, anonymity, and years of surrendering ones lunch money can do to a "grown man."

 

[timbuck]

Great. You should use that logic to send your kid to CSUN instead of Stanford. BTW, Pepperdine is ranked #209 for best universities by salary potential. 2021 College Rankings by Salary Potential | Payscale. Definitely the best option for a kid, especially because it's a private school.

I'd be curious to see the "Salary by college athletes that aren't playing pro football or basketball."

 

[crush]

crush commiserating about "how sad" it is what Deza is doing to children,

First off, I have nothing but positives regarding Deza and his coaching children to be the best soccer player now and in college. He's the boss now and he was never my boss or my dd boss. My dd only played against his teams and beat them both times, his EQ team and Force team From what everyone is saying about his coaching and teaching the passing game and not caring about the score is true and according to legends, he's top notch, you mean person. I can voice my "moo displeasure" about the player pool and not allowing HSS. I think it's unfair and not right but to each his own.

 

[kickingandscreaming]

Yep, you can leave a sport and get back in pretty quickly, but they don't want you to believe that because it lowers their value and business proposition. They want you to believe that year round specialization is the only way, or you will be left behind. It's really about the DOC's losing control and $$ and keeping up the pressure and fear that their business model is based on.

My daughter played for Deza. He legitimately felt the training in HS was not worthy of the elite players. Nothing more - nothing less. In DA, you paid the same whether you played HS or not - so it definitely wasn't about the money then. Yes, you can "get back in pretty quickly" but with a lost period of time of better training and whatever incremental gain that entails.

There are very good reasons to play HS soccer, or another sport other than soccer for that matter, that have nothing to do with the training. I like ECNL because it gives clubs and families a choice - unlike DA.

 

[Brav520]

Coach Mario just sent me a Surf Jr Tryouts for the 2016 and 2017 age group for next season. 4 and 5 year olds. No traveling ((yay)) and all local games. 12 month program so dont you dare think about playing biddy basketball or God forbid want to go Surf the waves. Starting so young....

all local is a bit deceiving when the majority of your road games are in East county and your team is in north county

 

[BIGD]

Great. You should use that logic to send your kid to CSUN instead of Stanford. BTW, Pepperdine is ranked #209 for best universities by salary potential. 2021 College Rankings by Salary Potential | Payscale. Definitely the best option for a kid, especially because it's a private school.

Payscale relies on anonymous self-reporting so not exactly a great source.

I could spend the time to post better sources that show that lifetime earnings potential is more closely linked to SAT/ACT scores than university attended unless you are a minority, but it wouldn’t make any difference to you so I won’t bother.

 

[LouSag]

In a perfect world, you are right, but it is not a perfect world. My kid did not play HS as a freshman because she was pretty small still, and ended up being asked to play up as filler at an ECNL showcase to help the sophomores get recruited and because a couple kids had played HS instead. She went from filler to being recruited by 20 schools in less than a week, while one of the kids who played HS ended up getting hurt later, missed the next showcase, and that was pretty much that. Another landed on the bench because my kid took her spot while she was gone. They both ended up at different clubs and at colleges their parents believed were beneath them. They didn't play in front of college coaches until well into their junior and senior years and by then most of the top colleges were done making offers to anyone other than purple unicorns.

You never know when or how your kid will get found. But if you're going to ECNL events playing under Deza, your kid is pretty much maximizing their recruiting potential. And if they don't, they run a real risk that that they go to Pepperdine or SDSU when it could have been UCLA or USC. Or maybe they still get an offer at UCLA or USC, but it's as a recruited walk on because they already committed all their money to kids they offered from the ECNL showcase they missed.

What’s the end game here? Playing for USC/UCLA or what you prefer to call lesser schools such as Pepperdine or SDSU? If playing for a strong ECNL club showcases a player to get into a school, with possible scholarship money or not, that they otherwise wouldn’t get into without a ECNL soccer background….well that’s a “win”. I’m referring to schools like Stanford and Ivy League schools. Not UCLA and USC. If your daughter wants to go pro and make $52 grand playing in the NWSL for 3-4 years while holding down a waitress job on the side, you better keep that spare room open at your house, cause she will be moving back in at age 25. A degree from a prestigious school sets a kid up for life. Play futbol to get into school, and get a legit degree should be the goal for 99% of these teenagers. If my daughter wants to play professionally, I would highly discourage it. Your mileage may vary…

 

[crush]

What’s the end game here? Playing for USC/UCLA or what you prefer to call lesser schools such as Pepperdine or SDSU? If playing for a strong ECNL club showcases a player to get into a school, with possible scholarship money or not, that they otherwise wouldn’t get into without a ECNL soccer background….well that’s a “win”. I’m referring to schools like Stanford and Ivy League schools. Not UCLA and USC. If your daughter wants to go pro and make $52 grand playing in the NWSL for 3-4 years while holding down a waitress job on the side, you better keep that spare room open at your house, cause she will be moving back in at age 25. A degree from a prestigious school sets a kid up for life. Play futbol to get into school, and get a legit degree should be the goal for 99% of these teenagers. If my daughter wants to play professionally, I would highly discourage it. Your mileage may vary…

I can share from my personal experience. First, most of us dads who grew up in Socal and actually played sports were either SC or Bruin fans. My mom went to SC and my bro went to UCLA. Basically, either you like one or hate one. I was different kind of fan. I liked both schools and took a lot heat for that. Fast forward a few years to my little baby girl. She is balling and I mean really really balling in the socal youth soccer circuit and of course, I would like my goat to play at big U, right? No way were doing all this soccer for CSUN or The Runnin Rebels........this was me early on btw and not my attitude today. I got humbled Again, this is the mind set of most dads early on plus our kid will get a full ride in soccer. I do remember three Docs all tell my player in 7th and 8th grade, "where do you want to play college and for God's sakes, please don't say UCLA or USC." I now know why!!!

P.S. Money is not everything and money will never buy you true happiness. The goal for all teenagers should be to do whatever you like with YOUR life. I told both my kids to always know their is a place for them to come live anytime and no one will be mocked for needing a place to sleep in tough times. Whatever my dd wants I support her is the point I'm making,

 

[Carlsbad7]

I can share from my personal experience. First, most of us dads who grew up in Socal and actually played sports were either SC or Bruin fans. My mom went to SC and my bro went to UCLA. Basically, either you like one or hate one. I was different kind of fan. I liked both schools and took a lot heat for that. Fast forward a few years to my little baby girl. She is balling and I mean really really balling in the socal youth soccer circuit and of course, I would like my goat to play at big U, right? No way were doing all this soccer for CSUN or The Runnin Rebels........this was me early on btw and not my attitude today. I got humbled Again, this is the mind set of most dads early on plus our kid will get a full ride in soccer. I do remember three Docs all tell my player in 7th and 8th grade, "where do you want to play college and for God's sakes, please don't say UCLA or USC." I now know why!!!

P.S. Money is not everything and money will never buy you true happiness. The goal for all teenagers should be to do whatever you like with YOUR life. I told both my kids to always know their is a place for them to come live anytime and no one will be mocked for needing a place to sleep in tough times. Whatever my dd wants I support her is the point I'm making,

In the business world 10% of the colleges have name recognition in some form or other (split by industry) with employers. The other 90% check the box for a 4 year college on a resume. The big name colleges can get your foot in the door for an interview but that's about it. Theoretically the more opportunities you get for interviews the better your chances are for a good job. So there is value in going to one of the to 10% name recognition schools. However, I'm not sure if all the extra things you need to do are worth it though. If you really want to get ahead just do an MBA or JD.

Another thing to consider is if you're playing soccer at a big name college exactly how much time will you get to spend on studies? I've heard rumors of college coaches passing on players that say they're going after overly complex degrees.

Professional Men's and Women's soccer players start out making 40k-75k per year.

I have a relative that went to one of the Elite D1 Private Schools on Lacrosse scholarship. Had most of his college paid for. When he graduated he looked into doing professional Lacrosse and decided against it when he found out people bagging groceries were making the same amount of money as pro players. He said that this was one of the biggest issues with players continuing to do sports after college. You could make 100k+ in a desk job (with upward mobility) or 30k playing sports with very little chance of doing better. If there was student loans you literally had to do a desk job.

 

[crush]

In the business world 10% of the colleges have name recognition in some form or other (split by industry) with employers. The other 90% check the box for a 4 year college on a resume. The big name colleges can get your foot in the door for an interview but that's about it. Theoretically the more opportunities you get for interviews the better your chances are for a good job. So there is value in going to one of the to 10% name recognition schools. However, I'm not sure if all the extra things you need to do are worth it though. If you really want to get ahead just do an MBA or JD.

Another thing to consider is if you're playing soccer at a big name college exactly how much time will you get to spend on studies? I've heard rumors of college coaches passing on players that say they're going after overly complex degrees.

Professional Men's and Women's soccer players start out making 40k-75k per year.

I have a relative that went to one of the Elite D1 Private Schools on Lacrosse scholarship. Had most of his college paid for. When he graduated he looked into doing professional Lacrosse and decided against it when he found out people bagging groceries were making the same amount of money as pro players. He said that this was one of the biggest issues with players continuing to do sports after college. You could make 100k+ in a desk job (with upward mobility) or 30k playing sports with very little chance of doing better. If there was student loans you literally had to do a desk job.

I know this far fetch idea but I'm hearing some cool stuff about the UBI and how Magnetism will change all of our lives for the better. Now if you want talk about the way things used to be, I agree with everything your saying.