Bad News Thread

[N00B]

Are you getting the 98% from this source, or similar?

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I ask because, obv. a survival rate of 98% sounds great, but based on that it still means 4 million dead. So if vaccines can move the needle to a survival rate of 98.5% or 99% or 99.5%, you are talking about millions of lives.

To me, 98% sounds great, but saving millions of lives sounds better.

The 98% survival rate needs PCR confirmed cases for its statistical basis.

*smirks*… couldn’t help it.

 

[kickingandscreaming]

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That's really apples and oranges. The first two headlines are about the Trump vaccine and the third is about the Biden vaccine.

Here are two comments that succinctly demonstrate the media’s laughably low level of self-awareness that they manage to combine with an undeservedly high a level of arrogance.

I love the last headline. It’s just so, “Now”. We need CNN to tell us how to talk to people. How about showing them the respect you always have?

 

[espola]

 

[Bruddah IZ]

The 98% survival rate needs PCR confirmed cases for its statistical basis.

*smirks*… couldn’t help it.

The survival rate in my house, pre-vax, is 100%.

 

[Bruddah IZ]

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The survival rate in my house, pre-vax, is 100%. Ages 17-55, two males, two females. Good diet, regular exercise.

 

[espola]

I've done it before, and one of her cats used to be mine (as much as any cat can belong to a human).

The first part of VRBO is Vacation, and Sacramento is not my idea of a vacation paradise.

On the drive today I was feeling good about the light traffic (except south of Corona) until I got close to Santa Barbara. I moved to Oxnard in 1970 and I have traveled that stretch many times over the years,. After 50 years, it is still under construction.

First incident of catsitting -- while unloading my car at my daughter's place, the cats took the opportunity of the open door to sneak out. We hunted for them for over an hour before they came back on their own, looking guilty.

 

[Bruddah IZ]

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Funny watching you people trying to leverage a best estimate IFR of .00002 to show us all how smart you all think you are. I'm thinking about a see-saw cartoon with the IFR (a.k.a. as your hysteria) on the side that is pinned to the ground, holding nearly 1,000,000 folks suspended in the air on the other side.

 

[Grace T.]

First incident of catsitting -- while unloading my car at my daughter's place, the cats took the opportunity of the open door to sneak out. We hunted for them for over an hour before they came back on their own, looking guilty.

The latest guess is there might be a small possibility of transmission from cats to humans especially with the delta so better mask up. Don’t know where those cats have been.

 

[dad4]

The latest guess is there might be a small possibility of transmission from cats to humans especially with the delta so better mask up. Don’t know where those cats have been.

a mask on Espola would reduce transmission from humans to cats.

For transmission from cats to humans, you need a mask on the cat.

good luck with that plan….

 

[Hüsker Dü]

A pandemic amongst the unvaccinated. trump is gone, the blood is now on tucker’s (and the likes) hands.

 

[EvilGoalie 21]

a mask on Espola would reduce transmission from humans to cats.

For transmission from cats to humans, you need a mask on the cat.

good luck with that plan….

Seek and the internet provides.....actually I suspect cats and humans would prove remarkably similar in their inability to countenance the game theory behind wearing masks.

Cat Mask Guide · Covid-19 Archive

@pennysnark on shared a meme in her instagram story. The meme is a cat wearing a mask in various fashions with explanations on the proper way to wear a face mask.

covid-19archive.org

 

[EvilGoalie 21]

Corona is just a common cold virus.

That's really interesting to know. What's the S protein of a rhinovirus look like? In that case, instead of kicking my ass targeting the Rona, I wish Moderna had poured their energy into a pop to keep my kid from bringing home the sniffles.

 

[EvilGoalie 21]

off ramp

Globally, this virus has been successful enough that it largely gets to dictate the timing and pitch of the off ramp. We get to choose how reactive to be in determining what the contours of that will look like. This virus is going to burn itself into a low level steady state with our global populations one way or another. Our choices concern how we want to manage spatio-temporal aspects of the flare ups. Outside of vaccination we are in a fundamentally reactive position.

ruinous

If there is a silver lining, or blessing, with this virus is that it's complex interaction with our immune systems gave it, historically, an atypical mortality profile. It is not, so far, U shaped in terms of a graph of lethality vs. age. Meaning that, by and large, it did not come for the very young. Why that is still isn't exactly clear. But it did not have to be that way. Not to be a downer, but if 2020 had been a year of little coffins, what ruinous means at this point could be very different. We should remember that, and be thankful, because the next one of these zoonotic breakouts-assuming the chatter about this not being zoonotic is just that-may not work out that way.

 

[Grace T.]

Globally, this virus has been successful enough that it largely gets to dictate the timing and pitch of the off ramp. We get to choose how reactive to be in determining what the contours of that will look like. This virus is going to burn itself into a low level steady state with our global populations one way or another. Our choices concern how we want to manage spatio-temporal aspects of the flare ups. Outside of vaccination we are in a fundamentally reactive position.



If there is a silver lining, or blessing, with this virus is that it's complex interaction with our immune systems gave it, historically, an atypical mortality profile. It is not, so far, U shaped in terms of a graph of lethality vs. age. Meaning that, by and large, it did not come for the very young. Why that is still isn't exactly clear. But it did not have to be that way. Not to be a downer, but if 2020 had been a year of little coffins, what ruinous means at this point could be very different. We should remember that, and be thankful, because the next one of these zoonotic breakouts-assuming the chatter about this not being zoonotic is just that-may not work out that way.

Largely agree but a few caveats:

a. Given the restrictions and imperfections in the vaccine there was always going to be a bump when we exited the restrictions. The only question was til when was this pushed off
b. The consensus seems to be that the probability is that this was not zoonotic…science caused its own Frankenstein monster
c. The virus will likely continue to evolve to avoid the vaccine. The elderly in particular might need an updated Rona vaccine periodically
d. The reason why there isn’t a rhino vaccine is because there isn’t a ton of free govt money in developing it. As vaccination hesitancy shows with the new Rona vaccine, the market may be limited, and the testing required on kids is a years long process.

 

[Bruddah IZ]

a mask on Espola would reduce transmission from humans to cats.

For transmission from cats to humans, you need a mask on the cat.

good luck with that plan….

With a mask on the cat won’t be able to lick itself. And neither will E.

 

[Bruddah IZ]

That's really interesting to know. What's the S protein of a rhinovirus look like? In that case, instead of kicking my ass targeting the Rona, I wish Moderna had poured their energy into a pop to keep my kid from bringing home the sniffles.

That’s funny. The S protein of the rhinovirus looks like a pop.

 

[espola]

Largely agree but a few caveats:

a. Given the restrictions and imperfections in the vaccine there was always going to be a bump when we exited the restrictions. The only question was til when was this pushed off
b. The consensus seems to be that the probability is that this was not zoonotic…science caused its own Frankenstein monster
c. The virus will likely continue to evolve to avoid the vaccine. The elderly in particular might need an updated Rona vaccine periodically
d. The reason why there isn’t a rhino vaccine is because there isn’t a ton of free govt money in developing it. As vaccination hesitancy shows with the new Rona vaccine, the market may be limited, and the testing required on kids is a years long process.

Consensus? I have been tuned out of the news the last few days due to personal issues. Has something come up;?

 

[espola]

Consensus? I have been tuned out of the news the last few days due to personal issues. Has something come up;?

I found this review paper --

The Origins of SARS-CoV-2: A Critical Review

The Origins of SARS-CoV-2: A Critical Review Holmes et al. Since the first reports of a novel SARS-like coronavirus in December 2019 in Wuhan, China, there has been intense interest in understanding how SARS-CoV-2 emerged in the human population. Recent debate has coalesced around two competing...

zenodo.org

This article describes it to laymen such as engineers and lawyers and the like --

Lab Leak or Zoonotic Transfer? Leading Biologists Review COVID-19 Virus Origin Evidence

Amid debate around the origins of SARS-CoV-2, leading global biologists have reviewed the scientific evidence to help clarify the origin of the virus that causes COVID-19 in humans. Pre-print paper highlights links supporting zoonotic origin for the virus Zero biological evidence exists for

scitechdaily.com

The review paper says: “There is no evidence that any early cases had any connection to the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV), in contrast to the clear epidemiological links to animal markets in Wuhan, nor evidence that the WIV possessed or worked on a progenitor of SARS-CoV-2 prior to the pandemic.”

Rather, it argues that “there is substantial body of scientific evidence supporting a zoonotic origin for SARS-CoV-2.”

The 21 eminent scientists from universities and research institutes around the world warn that a focus on a highly improbable lab origin is distracting from the most urgent scientific tasks to “comprehensively investigate the zoonotic origin through collaborative and carefully coordinated studies.”

 

[dad4]

I found this review paper --

The Origins of SARS-CoV-2: A Critical Review

The Origins of SARS-CoV-2: A Critical Review Holmes et al. Since the first reports of a novel SARS-like coronavirus in December 2019 in Wuhan, China, there has been intense interest in understanding how SARS-CoV-2 emerged in the human population. Recent debate has coalesced around two competing...

zenodo.org

This article describes it to laymen such as engineers and lawyers and the like --

Lab Leak or Zoonotic Transfer? Leading Biologists Review COVID-19 Virus Origin Evidence

Amid debate around the origins of SARS-CoV-2, leading global biologists have reviewed the scientific evidence to help clarify the origin of the virus that causes COVID-19 in humans. Pre-print paper highlights links supporting zoonotic origin for the virus Zero biological evidence exists for

scitechdaily.com

The review paper says: “There is no evidence that any early cases had any connection to the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV), in contrast to the clear epidemiological links to animal markets in Wuhan, nor evidence that the WIV possessed or worked on a progenitor of SARS-CoV-2 prior to the pandemic.”

Rather, it argues that “there is substantial body of scientific evidence supporting a zoonotic origin for SARS-CoV-2.”

The 21 eminent scientists from universities and research institutes around the world warn that a focus on a highly improbable lab origin is distracting from the most urgent scientific tasks to “comprehensively investigate the zoonotic origin through collaborative and carefully coordinated studies.”

“no evidence”?

That is not credible. I’ve read scientific evidence for a lab leak. Maybe this particular researcher believes it is insufficient, but you can’t say it does not exist. (Worse, the claim of “no evidence” is a bad sign. Your source is either poorly informed, or choosing to deliberately misrepresent what evidence exists. My guess is #2- He disagrees with the other side, therefore he pretends they do not exist.)

The simplest evidence for a lab leak is the flat refusal of CCP to allow anyone to look at the lab. This also hampers any search for a zoonotic origin. It is the world’s best repository of bat virus samples, and we do not even know what is there. By now, the entire collection and research notes should be digitized, externally verified, and freely available to any qualified researcher working on the problem.

 

[espola]

“no evidence”?

That is not credible. I’ve read scientific evidence for a lab leak. Maybe this particular researcher believes it is insufficient, but you can’t say it does not exist. (Worse, the claim of “no evidence” is a bad sign. Your source is either poorly informed, or choosing to deliberately misrepresent what evidence exists. My guess is #2- He disagrees with the other side, therefore he pretends they do not exist.)

The simplest evidence for a lab leak is the flat refusal of CCP to allow anyone to look at the lab. This also hampers any search for a zoonotic origin. It is the world’s best repository of bat virus samples, and we do not even know what is there. By now, the entire collection and research notes should be digitized, externally verified, and freely available to any qualified researcher working on the problem.

Can you share a link to the credible scientific evidence you have read?