Where was really the first covid case in the world?

[dad4]

Mei you li el lebo. Si sabee idoma, liste news de zi yuan de chino sobre ze ge vaine. que cuenta. Or do solo kan ying yu?

I read both sides of the Epoch Times. Excellent paper. Tells you exactly what is going on in the mainland.

You realize how ridiculous is is for someone behind the firewall to tell me that my news is limited? Even if I have to read the English translation of La Monde, at least I am allowed to read it.

Pick up Tombstone. Then judge it. As I said, it is very well documented.

Tombstone: The Great Chinese Famine, 1958-1962: Jisheng, Yang, Friedman, Edward, Mosher, Stacy, Jian, Guo, Mosher, Stacy, Jian, Guo, Friedman, Edward, MacFarquhar, Roderick: 9780374533991: Amazon.com: Books

Tombstone: The Great Chinese Famine, 1958-1962 [Jisheng, Yang, Friedman, Edward, Mosher, Stacy, Jian, Guo, Mosher, Stacy, Jian, Guo, Friedman, Edward, MacFarquhar, Roderick] on Amazon.com. *FREE* shipping on qualifying offers. Tombstone: The Great Chinese Famine, 1958-1962

www.amazon.com

(And let us know whether you can see the above link, or whether the firewall lets you see the link at all.)

 

[blam]

Yeah, if it's suppose to be Spanish or Portuguese or French or even Catalan it's done poorly and with errors. Can't speak to whether Esperanto, Italian, Romanian or Maltese was used.

Errors purposefully injected so that you no cannot just paste into translator. Languages are mixed to further confuse any aid of machine. But a human versed in those languages simultaneously should be able to understand.

 

[dad4]

Errors purposefully injected so that you no cannot just paste into translator. Languages are mixed to further confuse any aid of machine. But a human versed in those languages simultaneously should be able to understand.

Maybe just try to keep up with English. You've made enough errors with that as it is.

That said, your English is still far better than any of my second languages. But language is best when the purpose is to communicate, so let's focus on that.

Try reading Tombstone, if you can get a copy.

 

[Grace T.]

Errors purposefully injected so that you no cannot just paste into translator. Languages are mixed to further confuse any aid of machine. But a human versed in those languages simultaneously should be able to understand.

If it was your intent to be clever you took the wrong tactic. A native speaker (or even a fluent speaker) will just assume you don't know what you are doing.

Careful. The higher ups monitoring your work will not be pleased. You wouldn't want what's happening to your Uighur compatriots to happen to you.

 

[blam]

I read both sides of the Epoch Times. Excellent paper. Tells you exactly what is going on in the mainland.

Epoch times ??? Epoch times is funded by Falun Gong which is a cult. Its leader believe in some weird conspiracy theory about some aliens interacting with humans.

Li Hongzhi - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

"In 1999 Li Hongzhi stated that he believes evil aliens walk the Earth and that modern science is part of their ploy to control humanity, and he has reportedly said that he can walk through walls and make himself invisible. Li says that he is a being from a higher level who has come to help humankind from the destruction it could face as the result of rampant evil.

Are you a paid Falun gong bot. They are rich. I see their papers everywhere available for free for anyone who wants them.

Hang on...so you also believe in conspiracy theories regarding Nazi like Uighur concentration camps and organ harvesting? These seems to be popular topics with epoch times. I used to pick up copies to improve my chinese back in the early 2000s in case you are wondering how I know about organ harvesting. I even attending a meeting at UCSD at one time thinking that it would bring me closer to chinese culture (late 90s) before I knew this organization was a cult.

Many of their conspiracy theories just do not pass the common sense test.

 

[dad4]

Epoch times ??? Epoch times is funded by Falun Gong which is a cult. Its leader believe in some weird conspiracy theory about some aliens interacting with humans.

Li Hongzhi - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

"In 1999 Li Hongzhi stated that he believes evil aliens walk the Earth and that modern science is part of their ploy to control humanity, and he has reportedly said that he can walk through walls and make himself invisible. Li says that he is a being from a higher level who has come to help humankind from the destruction it could face as the result of rampant evil.

Are you a paid Falun gong bot. They are rich. I see their papers everywhere available for free for anyone who wants them.

Hang on...so you also believe in conspiracy theories regarding Nazi like Uighur concentration camps and organ harvesting? These seems to be popular topics with epoch times. I used to pick up copies to improve my chinese back in the early 2000s in case you are wondering how I know about organ harvesting. I even attending a meeting at UCSD at one time thinking that it would bring me closer to chinese culture (late 90s) before I knew this organization was a cult.

Many of their conspiracy theories just do not pass the common sense test.

Great, so they let you get to wikipedia, and we agree it is mostly accurate.

Here is another fine wikipedia page:

Great Chinese Famine - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Hope you can get to it.

 

[Grace T.]

conspiracy theories regarding Nazi like Uighur concentration camps

Funny. Guess "The Guardian" is a right wing conspiracy theory rage. My elder brother has also done work on this and seen evidence himself. But they probably won't let you access these videos.

 

[blam]

Funny. Guess "The Guardian" is a right wing conspiracy theory rage. My elder brother has also done work on this and seen evidence himself. But they probably won't let you access these videos.

These conspiracies do not pass common sense test. What is the motive?

So what is the purpose of these Nazi like concentration camps? If they had wanted to do genocide cleaning, they could have done it decades ago. Why choose now?

My commonsense tells me most likely many of these are job training camps plus a few of these being camps for radical religious individuals or separatists. Job training camps are good as the government likes to get people to work to help build the economy and pay taxes. I have seen these camps in many countries.

By conflating the two, it is very easy for a reporter to tell the story that the harsh treatment one gets at a separatist camp is universal in all camps including the job training ones.

 

[Grace T.]

These conspiracies do not pass common sense test. What is the motive?

So what is the purpose of these Nazi like concentration camps? If they had wanted to do genocide cleaning, they could have done it decades ago. Why choose now?

My commonsense tells me most likely many of these are job training camps plus a few of these being camps for radical religious individuals or separatists. Job training camps are good as the government likes to get people to work to help build the economy and pay taxes. I have seen these camps in many countries.

By conflating the two, it is very easy for a reporter to tell the story that the harsh treatment one gets at a separatist camp is universal in all camps including the job training ones.

Well, it's not like they are doing these camps for the Han Chinese...... 4 weeks to learn how to do a bed? In the words of our Dear Leader, "Come on Man!"

 

[dad4]

These conspiracies do not pass common sense test. What is the motive?

So what is the purpose of these Nazi like concentration camps? If they had wanted to do genocide cleaning, they could have done it decades ago. Why choose now?

My commonsense tells me most likely many of these are job training camps plus a few of these being camps for radical religious individuals or separatists. Job training camps are good as the government likes to get people to work to help build the economy and pay taxes. I have seen these camps in many countries.

By conflating the two, it is very easy for a reporter to tell the story that the harsh treatment one gets at a separatist camp is universal in all camps including the job training ones.

The motive? To reduce the risk of a religious separatist movement, because the rest of China does not want an internal Afghanistan.

Been nice talking with you, Mr. Lam. I hope you get a chance to vote for Pooh Bear’s successor some day. If it happens, may you choose better than we did four years ago.

 

[blam]

Been nice talking with you, Mr. Lam.

Wait..before you leave..you do agree Falun Gong is a cult right with crazy beliefs systems?

 

[dad4]

Wait..before you leave..you do agree Falun Gong is a cult right with crazy beliefs systems?

I live in a country where it isn’t a big deal to be part of a cult with a crazy belief system. We have at least three states founded by people who, at the time, were seen as a cult with a crazy belief system. Massachusetts, Rhose Island, and Utah.

If I see a bunch of old people doing Tai Chi in the park, I don’t worry about why they are doing it. I just move to the other end of the basketball court to give them room. Live and let live.

So, maybe Falun Gong is like Scientology. Maybe they are something else entirely. It never occurred to me to worry about it.

 

[warrior49]

Any experts like to critic this analysis that it wasn't in Wuhan?

It's pretty common knowledge that China has restricted access to investigate:

Jan 5, 2021

World Health Organization Director General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus on Tuesday decried China's last-minute decision to block investigators who are researching the origin of the coronavirus.

"Today, we learned that Chinese officials have not yet finalised the necessary permissions for the team's arrivals in China," Tedros told reporters in a rare rebuke of Beijing. "I am very disappointed with this news, given that two members had already begun their journeys and others were not able to travel at the last minute," he said.

Michael Ryan, head of the WHO's emergencies program, called the delay "frustrating."

Ryan said he had made clear to senior Chinese officials "that the mission is a priority for WHO and the international team."

For the past few months, the United Nations body has been working to send a 10-person team of international experts to China to investigate the origins of the virus and how it crossed into humans.

The team, including epidemiologists and animal health specialists, wants to focus its research on Wuhan, the home of a wet market reported to be the origin of the human outbreak. However, China is particularly sensitive to the investigation, often pointing to unsubstantiated reports that it appeared in other countries first. It has also been wary of claims that it may have originated in a laboratory in the same city.

 

[46n2]

I read both sides of the Epoch Times. Excellent paper. Tells you exactly what is going on in the mainland.

You realize how ridiculous is is for someone behind the firewall to tell me that my news is limited? Even if I have to read the English translation of La Monde, at least I am allowed to read it.

Pick up Tombstone. Then judge it. As I said, it is very well documented.

Tombstone: The Great Chinese Famine, 1958-1962: Jisheng, Yang, Friedman, Edward, Mosher, Stacy, Jian, Guo, Mosher, Stacy, Jian, Guo, Friedman, Edward, MacFarquhar, Roderick: 9780374533991: Amazon.com: Books

Tombstone: The Great Chinese Famine, 1958-1962 [Jisheng, Yang, Friedman, Edward, Mosher, Stacy, Jian, Guo, Mosher, Stacy, Jian, Guo, Friedman, Edward, MacFarquhar, Roderick] on Amazon.com. *FREE* shipping on qualifying offers. Tombstone: The Great Chinese Famine, 1958-1962

www.amazon.com

(And let us know whether you can see the above link, or whether the firewall lets you see the link at all.)

Epoch times is where its at!

 

[blam]

World Health Organization Director General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus on Tuesday decried China's last-minute decision to block investigators who are researching the origin of the coronavirus.

Didn't the visas got approved and it was just a delay? I'm not sure how this could be interpreted as "block". In the meeting the CDC met with WHO and decided on the date. Any dates decided at this meeting is of course subject to all other processes going fine. So the visa application goes to the immigration (a different department from the CDC and likely immigration officials not part of the WHO meeting) and the processing got delayed maybe due to incomplete visa application or needing more time to vet the applicants. Why should that be surprising?

I guess the next time I invite a foreign friend, and he goes to the US embassy for his visa application and if it wasn't approved, he's going to blame me for blocking his entry and that my invitation was a fake invitation?

 

[blam]

If it was your intent to be clever you took the wrong tactic. A native speaker (or even a fluent speaker) will just assume you don't know what you are doing.

You probably didn't understand it because you don't simultaneously speak the 3 languages so you have a problem when the 3 languages are mixed in a sentence.

Do you also have a problem with mixed marriages like mixed sentences?

I found out yesterday that Falun Gong which sponsors Epoch times discourages mixed marriages because it believes that people of different races after they die will live on in other planets based on their races.

Conservatives will probably also hate mixing languages in a sentence as they adore to order and structure and mixing languages definitely breaks established order and structure. Maybe you are a conservative.

 

[blam]

Been nice talking with you, Mr. Lam. I hope you get a chance to vote for Pooh Bear’s successor some day. If it happens, may you choose better than we did four years ago.

You should give Trump more credit. In foreign policy, he's done great. He actually met with Kim Jong Un. I don't think Biden would ever do that. didn't start any new war. Just economic war and I'll take that anytime over real war.

Anyway, I really don't care if its Capitalism or Communism, weather its 442 or 343 or tiki taka or long ball. We should use whatever system as long as we win the game. The game here is social justice for all. I'm practical, not ideological. Dogmatism will lead to failure, we must adapt.

There is one common misconception in our current time. Communism actually encourages democracy. Hitler who is a fascists right wing so despised Communism (the left) precisely because Communism promoted democracy and thus concentrate power in the dead weight of the people. Its in his book Mein Kampf. Read it but don't turn into a right winger.

 

[Grace T.]

You probably didn't understand it because you don't simultaneously speak the 3 languages so you have a problem when the 3 languages are mixed in a sentence.

Do you also have a problem with mixed marriages like mixed sentences?

I found out yesterday that Falun Gong which sponsors Epoch times discourages mixed marriages because it believes that people of different races after they die will live on in other planets based on their races.

Conservatives will probably also hate mixing languages in a sentence as they adore to order and structure and mixing languages definitely breaks established order and structure. Maybe you are a conservative.

I see your masters have you back on the clock. Seriously, why do they have you on the off topic section of a soccer board in a 4th rate soccer country? Your boss must like you to get away with that.

I saw at least 4 language (3 of which I speak) and poor misspellings in one of them. If you were aiming for 3 that's even funnier.

Have you ever seen Shen Yun? It's apparently a cultural phenomenon.

 

[warrior49]

"Communism actually encourages democracy" Laughs in freedom

 

[tjinaz]

"Communism actually encourages democracy" Laughs in freedom

wow .. never really met a chinese bot before... this forum is awesome. I laugh along with you. I mean you hear about them and you know they exist but.. wow. Now to figure out which wackadoodle ideology EOTL is a bot for and we can get the bot UN meetings going.