In the California dept of health regions tracker, for example, cases are falling in SoCal but rising in San Joaquin valley, the sierras, the Bay Area, and the Sacramento area…Northern California it’s too early to tell if still rising or now falling or plateaued.
Seven stages of Covid.. keep playing and find out how far you will go!
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Bruddah IZ
DA
bangladesh mask study:do not believe the hype
this is one of the worst studies i've ever seen in any field. it proves nothing apart from the credulity of many mask advocates.
people tend to call economics “the dismal science” because it’s so difficult to do controlled experiments. you cannot simply run the economy once with interest rates at 4% then again at 6% and compare. it’s inherently limiting to the discipline.
but this bangladesh study, originally published by “the national bureau of economic research” is so bad that i fear this is way past that. (newer version HERE but this the same study with new data cuts added.) even those legends of non-replication and bias injection in sociology and psychology would not accept a study like this. i have no idea how NBER fell for it.
this one would get you laughed out of a 7th grade science fair.
it violates pretty much every single tenet of setting up and running a randomized controlled experiment. its output is not even sound enough to be wrong. it’s complete gibberish.
truly, a dismal day for the dismal science and those pushing it into public health.
and yet the twitterati (and there are MANY) are treating this like some sort of gold standard study.
“This should basically end any scientific debate about whether masks can be effective in combating covid at the population level,” Jason Abaluck... who helped lead the study said... calling it “a nail in the coffin”
despite wild claims by the authors, it’s not.
this setup and execution is so unsound as to make it hard to even know where to start picking it apart, but it’s easy to throw shade and backing it up is the essence of debate and refutation, so let’s start with the basics on how to do a medical RCT.
this is one of the worst studies i've ever seen in any field. it proves nothing apart from the credulity of many mask advocates.
people tend to call economics “the dismal science” because it’s so difficult to do controlled experiments. you cannot simply run the economy once with interest rates at 4% then again at 6% and compare. it’s inherently limiting to the discipline.
but this bangladesh study, originally published by “the national bureau of economic research” is so bad that i fear this is way past that. (newer version HERE but this the same study with new data cuts added.) even those legends of non-replication and bias injection in sociology and psychology would not accept a study like this. i have no idea how NBER fell for it.
this one would get you laughed out of a 7th grade science fair.
it violates pretty much every single tenet of setting up and running a randomized controlled experiment. its output is not even sound enough to be wrong. it’s complete gibberish.
truly, a dismal day for the dismal science and those pushing it into public health.
and yet the twitterati (and there are MANY) are treating this like some sort of gold standard study.
“This should basically end any scientific debate about whether masks can be effective in combating covid at the population level,” Jason Abaluck... who helped lead the study said... calling it “a nail in the coffin”
despite wild claims by the authors, it’s not.
this setup and execution is so unsound as to make it hard to even know where to start picking it apart, but it’s easy to throw shade and backing it up is the essence of debate and refutation, so let’s start with the basics on how to do a medical RCT.
We could play the Red vs Blue game all day long. The worst counties in terms of deaths per capita are actually blue. Its a fools errand to compare. It also shows that someone is a prisoner of binary thinking. There are so many other variables that impact Covid results. Covid mandates are influenced by party. Covid results are not, because the virus couldnt care less about party, and as we've seen the virus cares very little about any attempts to control it. The only correlation between party and Covid is on CNN and MSNBC. If you want to see a better correlation based on party, check out unemployment statistics.
Bruddah IZ
DA
Ha! Thanks for teeing this up.
My GMU Econ colleague Bryan Caplan ponders Americans’ experiment in federalist dictatorship. A slice:
In short, America is now an elective dictatorship. Unlike almost all historical dictatorships, however, these are dictatorships within a federal system. Every governor makes it up as he goes along… but he only makes it up for his own state. Elections will still happen, possibly replacing one dictator with another. But until those days of reckoning, whoever won the last election has a remarkably free hand to do as he pleases.
What has this freakish experiment in federalist dictatorship taught us? I’m curious to hear your thoughts, but here are the biggest lessons I’ve drawn thus far.
1. The variance of policy under federalist dictatorship has been vast. My friend in Alabama barely remembers the lockdown because it lasted so briefly. Californians endured major – and repeated – restrictions on their freedom for months at a time.
Bruddah IZ
DA
All 50 US governors have been vaccinated, so none of them are literal “anti-vaxxers.” Still, many governors staunchly oppose mandatory vaccination. What’s their motive? High vaccination rates don’t merely make governors’ lives easier. They also reduce resistance to every other expression of normalcy. Could it be that governors who oppose vaccines mandates actually do so… because freedom?
what-happened
GOLD
It's not racial bias, it's data that should be used by public health officials. Your comments on standing on the sidelines and watching the unvaxxed die by the thousands help?
what-happened
GOLD
It's a shame that public health efforts have been sabotoged by party clowns.
Bruddah IZ
DA
Soccermaverick
SILVER ELITE
I don’t know any one with Covid … it just a joke.., right /s
abc7.com
Former Lakers player Cedric Ceballos hospitalized in ICU with COVID-19
Former Lakers player and NBA All-Star Cedric Ceballos announced Tuesday that he has been hospitalized with COVID-19 for more than a week.
abc7.com
what-happened
GOLD
It's certainly unfortunate and dangerous since he has a history of heart disease. Great Suns player.I don’t know any one with Covid … it just a joke.., right /s
Former Lakers player Cedric Ceballos hospitalized in ICU with COVID-19
Former Lakers player and NBA All-Star Cedric Ceballos announced Tuesday that he has been hospitalized with COVID-19 for more than a week.
Who doesn't know anyone who's had covid?
This is one of the tragic outcomes of Covid myopia and fear mongering. An outcome that was avoidable. Your odds of dying from cancer are significantly greater than dying from Covid (although your cancer survival odds are much better if its caught early), yet cancer screenings were canceled for the first few months of the pandemic because they were considered elective. Then it appears patients avoided cancer screenings due to the fear of Covid.
Compare annual rates. Cancer and covid are about equal. Both are about 600K per year for the period you are talking about. (the period when people were most likely to delay cancer screenings: April 2020 to April 2021)This is one of the tragic outcomes of Covid myopia and fear mongering. An outcome that was avoidable. Your odds of dying from cancer are significantly greater than dying from Covid (although your cancer survival odds are much better if its caught early), yet cancer screenings were canceled for the first few months of the pandemic because they were considered elective. Then it appears patients avoided cancer screenings due to the fear of Covid.
And, if people had not changed their behavior last spring, it’s fair to say that covid would have been a significantly larger cause of death. The wave we saw last winter would have happened in April/May 2020, back when the fatality rate was higher because we did not know how to treat it. Remember, you’re talking about a time when all we had was ventilators. The same number of infections would have caused a lot more deaths.
That fear mongering delayed health screenings for cancer, which cost lives. The same panic delayed the main covid spike 6-8 months, which saved lives.
It is likely that the cancer screening would have been delayed no matter what you did. If the local death count goes up, people are going to avoid the hospital. You also would not have had the nursing staff to do the screenings. They all would have been treating covid patients.
On the positive side, in the US 31,522,263 (and counting) people have recovered from Covid.
Bruddah IZ
DA
Lol! No, that is not true.
Bruddah IZ
DA
Reminder: The CDC/NIH/Fauci-backed pause of the J&J vaccine did more to invigorate vaccine hesitancy in the US than any other factor.
Soccermaverick
SILVER ELITE
What stage does it begin to bother you or better yet when is it not just Covid fear mongering?
An average of nearly 53 children a day were hospitalized with confirmed cases of Covid-19 from August 31 to September 6, according to CDC data.
An average of nearly 53 children a day were hospitalized with confirmed cases of Covid-19 from August 31 to September 6, according to CDC data.
I’m sure 3x’s that were admitted to the Er for broken bones. It’s fear lingering when you are consistently fed numbers out of context and extrapolating the exceptions as if they are the rule. (Ie Anti Vax focusing on the small number of medical issues that arise post vax)
How many kids are admitted to the hospital each year with the flu? We never tracked data like that until now so there is no context.
Yet at the US Open, College Football, etc, there are 10’s of thousands people in an arena/stadium yelling and screaming Sam’s masks yet our kids are in classrooms for hours at a time wearing masks and being told they could be killing their family if they don’t wear a mask (fear mongering).
31,667,507 recovered in the US as of today.
kickingandscreaming
PREMIER
Link? Out of how many children - all the US? Does this only count those hospitalized because of COVID versus those who went to the hospital for another reason and tested positive? Lazy post.
It is low if it is all the US and simply those who tested positive. I mean, are we talking about an average of 1 child per day per state is testing positive in the hospital? I would have thought a lot more would have tested positive given how contagious the delta variant is, under 12 are not vaccinated and school is back in session. Google search reveals about 74.2 million children under 18 in US. Math tells me 1% of that is 742,000. Divide that by 53 and get 14,000. So, at this rate in 14,000 days (38+ years), 1% of the children in the US will test positive for COVID in hospitals. You can't possibly be talking about in all the US, can you?
Desert Hound
DA
Wow...so about 1 kid per state.
Clearly an issue right?
NO!!!
Context matters. You have none.
Kids are not at risk.
Soccermaverick
SILVER ELITE
That’s cute.. 2100+ people died yesterday in the US due to Covid.. how many kids lost a parent! 270+ in Texas alone.. number 2 cause of death now.
Kids are at risk when their parent dies early in life.. The opportunists pushing anti mask anti vaccine rhetoric and hiding behind kids is disgusting..