SCDSL - Schedule and Rules Updates?

Discovery schedules were up previously but were taken down. Even discovery has a handful of teams in G04 that you have to scratch your head and wonder how/why they are there. Several of those teams have lost 5/6/7 - 0 against other teams in Discovery recently. Its watered down the same as Champions/Europa. You have 4th and 5th placed Flight 2 teams that moved up to Flight 1 Europa. I give up on trying to figure out what goes on behind the curtain.
 
Coast CSL and SCDSL are geographical split somewhat. CSL in LA county & DSL in orange with the SD clubs doing both so when you get to the groups high up in the flights travel is bound to increase.

CSL has promotion/regulation but it's run by committee and depending on the teams sometimes new clubs get generous bracketing and other times regulation doesn't really happen much because the numbers aren't there to move teams around much.

SCDSL has member club bracketing or self flighting with some limited committee oversight, more so as teams try to get into the higher flights. Politics does come into play and the bigger stakeholders do tend to have greater influence so unless your coach and/or doc are at the table or on the call with some facts to back up teams placement & show past results that can be a tuff sell.

The fall league season seems to get shorter each year and 10-11 games in DSL is really just a starter. Supplement leagues and futstal are pickup up the slack and sometimes it's hard to see the progress over the fall since it goes by so quickly.
 
GKDad65 said:
How did the Temecula Valley Hawks B2000 team get qualified?
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They paid? With only 6 teams in B2000 doesn't seem like a lot of demand for that group.

What I heard was when there was when there was more applications than spots then a committee decided and the coach & doc could make there cases in person or on a conference call.
 
mirage said:
There already is....

Discovery (real fit 1) = Premier
Flt 1 Champions (flt 1.5) = Gold
Flt 1 Europa (flt 1.75) = Silver Elite
Flt 2 = Silver
Flt3 = Bronze
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Looking at the G02 brackets this year (the teams I know), Discovery > Premier and Champions = Premier. I agree Europa got knocked down a peg with some Flight 2 teams moving up to replace some of the better Europa teams that moved up to Champions and Discovery. But Europa looks significantly stronger on the whole than Silver Elite. It now seems generally on par with CSL Gold.

To throw some stats behind my observation, I looked at the average YSR rankings for the 2002 teams in the following brackets:

Discovery 35.0

CSL Premier 34.5
Champions 34.3

CSL Gold 33.4
Europa (all teams) 33.1

CSL Silver Elite (South) 31.3

Of course there have been a lot of changes to these teams in the off season, so we'll have to see how this all plays out.
 
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Eagle33 said:
With DA, ECNL, DPL and now Discovery, Premier is at the Silver Elite level at best from what it was 10 years ago.
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All watered down no matter what league.

Depending on the age groups DA and boys ECNL has less comptetion than CSL premier in some cases. DA is very top heavy and falls off dramatic past the top 3-4 teams where premier has more depth, same with boys ECNL with a couple of teams & everyone else.
 
Leagues should be broken up in the following manner. Forget Coast, SCDSL, Presidio, blah, blah, blah:
1. The Great Park League - All of Orange County plays here
2. The Oceanside/Polo Field League - Anything South of Pendleton plays here
3. The Silverlakes League - Anything east of Anaheim
4. The Anything between Manhattan Beach and Thousand Oaks League - Maybe play at Stubhub. Any other large complexes in LA that clubs use. Could probably break this up into a few leagues based on geography and the mess of traffic in the area. Coastal, Downtown, Pasadena
5. Lancaster and Friends League

All tournaments place teams from each league against each other before they add a 2nd team from any of the above 5 leagues.
 
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timbuck said:
Leagues should be broken up in the following manner. Forget Coast, SDSL, Presidio, blah, blah, blah:
1. The Great Park League - All of Orange County plays here
2. The Oceanside/Polo Field League - Anything South of Pendleton plays here
3. The Silverlakes League - Anything east of Anaheim
4. The Anything between Manhattan Beach and Thousand Oaks League - Maybe play at Stubhub. Any other large complexes in LA that clubs use. Could probably break this up into a few leagues based on geography and the mess of traffic in the area. Coastal, Downtown, Pasaden
5. Lancaster and Friends League

All tournaments place teams from each league against each other before they add a 2nd team from any of the above 5 leagues.
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This an excellent idea

Discovery is interesting as clubs promised or were forced (not sure which) a certain number of teams for each age group- looks to be based on total number of teams within the club

Some are real reaches- especially at the 03 age group where lots of DA kids will be back in the mix for a season as they wait to be the “old” of the 2 year age group. There are teams that are newly formed and practice 2 times a week taking on teams that are made up of a core of DA players that are still working on a DA training schedule and have strong ties to their system. Some of these new teams are asking for more practice days but not getting the field space allotted to them after they were sacrificed into the bracket. Head scratcher indeed
 
timbuck said:
Leagues should be broken up in the following manner. Forget Coast, SDSL, Presidio, blah, blah, blah:
1. The Great Park League - All of Orange County plays here
2. The Oceanside/Polo Field League - Anything South of Pendleton plays here
3. The Silverlakes League - Anything east of Anaheim
4. The Anything between Manhattan Beach and Thousand Oaks League - Maybe play at Stubhub. Any other large complexes in LA that clubs use. Could probably break this up into a few leagues based on geography and the mess of traffic in the area. Coastal, Downtown, Pasaden
5. Lancaster and Friends League

All tournaments place teams from each league against each other before they add a 2nd team from any of the above 5 leagues.
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So I guess that would mean playing every other weekend?
 
timbuck said:
Leagues should be broken up in the following manner. Forget Coast, SDSL, Presidio, blah, blah, blah:
1. The Great Park League - All of Orange County plays here
2. The Oceanside/Polo Field League - Anything South of Pendleton plays here
3. The Silverlakes League - Anything east of Anaheim
4. The Anything between Manhattan Beach and Thousand Oaks League - Maybe play at Stubhub. Any other large complexes in LA that clubs use. Could probably break this up into a few leagues based on geography and the mess of traffic in the area. Coastal, Downtown, Pasaden
5. Lancaster and Friends League

All tournaments place teams from each league against each other before they add a 2nd team from any of the above 5 leagues.
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Your idea works for Flight 3 and 2. It starts to fall apart when we get to Flight 1/Premiere, etc. If you want to have a top tier level (Champions/Discovery/Premiere/NPL/etc.) team have to travel because there are not that many really good teams in the regions.
 
timbuck said:
Not sure I follow? Are you saying that’s not enough Field space to handle all of the teams?
Even with Sunday games?
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Just take Temecula for example. The recreational soccer program (TVSA) get priority allocation of City fields and then you have Pop Warner also operating in the Fall. The competitive soccer programs (Hawks, Legends South, Arsenal South, Temecula United, Temecula Quails, etc.) have to schedule roughly 100 games per day during the season on whatever is left (a few public parks with 2 fields, Birdsal Park and Galway Downs). Before daylight savings ends (Nov.) we get roughly 6 games per field, so 100/6 = 17 fields of various sizes for 1 city, but the number is actually higher because we can't get optimized utilization.

Great Park has about 17 fields right now ... the dinky City of Temecula could use all of it for its competition soccer clubs during the fall. Now you want to take a region that has needs for over 800+ games and force them all on Great Park?
 
MWN said:
Your idea works for Flight 3 and 2. It starts to fall apart when we get to Flight 1/Premiere, etc. If you want to have a top tier level (Champions/Discovery/Premiere/NPL/etc.) team have to travel because there are not that many really good teams in the regions.
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I agree with this. If you're a Flight 1 team, you have to travel to find other competitive teams. Both my kids teams are based out of the San Gabriel Valley and we need to travel South just to play good, competitive friendly games. And looking at my daughter's Flight 1 bracket, only 1 of the 6 other teams is close to us. 2 are within 25-45 minutes down the 605 depending on traffic, and the 3 other teams are in the South Bay which can be a drive, again depending on good ol' L.A. traffic. Now, I know OC and SD traffic ain't any easier. Especially that section of the 5 going South through Camp Pendleton (Ooh-Rah!). I just don't understand why traffic stops there. But this is what we all signed up for...
 
Or use it as a way to thin the heard. Maybe we don't need that many "Competitve" teams around town.
MWN said:
Just take Temecula for example. The recreational soccer program (TVSA) get priority allocation of City fields and then you have Pop Warner also operating in the Fall. The competitive soccer programs (Hawks, Legends South, Arsenal South, Temecula United, Temecula Quails, etc.) have to schedule roughly 100 games per day during the season on whatever is left (a few public parks with 2 fields, Birdsal Park and Galway Downs). Before daylight savings ends (Nov.) we get roughly 6 games per field, so 100/6 = 17 fields of various sizes for 1 city, but the number is actually higher because we can't get optimized utilization.

Great Park has about 17 fields right now ... the dinky City of Temecula could use all of it for its competition soccer clubs during the fall. Now you want to take a region that has needs for over 800+ games and force them all on Great Park?
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Ok - So maybe it doesn't work perfect every weekend. But you could still call it by those names and have teams play on surrounding overflow fields that are withing a 15 mile drive of the big soccer parks.

And each "League" holds one tournament per summer that lasts a week, with teams from the other leagues invited. 5 big tournaments per summer spaced out a week or 2 apart. Fill in the non tournament weekends with friendlies if you like.
 
timbuck said:
Or use it as a way to thin the heard. Maybe we don't need that many "Competitve" teams around town.


Ok - So maybe it doesn't work perfect every weekend. But you could still call it by those names and have teams play on surrounding overflow fields that are withing a 15 mile drive of the big soccer parks.

And each "League" holds one tournament per summer that lasts a week, with teams from the other leagues invited. 5 big tournaments per summer spaced out a week or 2 apart. Fill in the non tournament weekends with friendlies if you like.
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Ah the "El Trafico" league, genie is out of the bottle and there just way too many teams nowadays for centralization ... thousands between the many leagues so distributed is the way games have been assigned to get local games.

Having a good home field with space, local games, and a place to train close by is a nice....traveling to play everybody else pretty not as much but heck kids seem to enjoy the experiences.

AYSO is divided up what into regions, area, districts, states and has competition from local all the way to state so what not something like that for "club" soccer, get what your saying about the leagues... Going straight to State cup before doing well in area or region always seemed strange to me, other sports like baseball don't work that way for example.
 
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