So the only way this virus spread so fast was because of no Mask? Do I have that correct Pat or Patti?
Cal South, phases 0 through 2, permits, and 2021
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I will say this to all you WHO hate Trump. Thanks for nothing!!!! Seriously, I'm so sick of your sh*t it's starting to really really get on my nerves. Ive had to deal with all your BS since October of 2016. All of you tell people who to vote for, what you can;t do, what you have to do in order to be successful in Cali and now white guilty racist liberals are now calling other white people who have served everyone with love a racist. Sick!!! Ive dealt with all of you since I was born and I'm pissed off. First of all, you tried to kill me before I was born. Secondly, your school system sucked and it's even worse today. Thirdly, your all the most selfish people I know. Enjoy the fun until this gets fixed.
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Patandpats
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Yes, clearly masks and distancing don't work. That's why Japan is struggling. That's why Europe is still struggling. That's why we are the only rich nation that is still struggling.
Covid is worse than the flu death wise when not contained, but more importantly, it's more debilitating to those who get a bad case and don't die. Have you ever met someone who had the flu and years later is still dealing with side effects from that flu? There are hundreds of thousands of people with Covid for whom that is true. And because 75 million people in our country are considered high risk due to pre-existing conditions and many millions more are at risk due to age, there is no plan for opening that won't seriously harm millions on top of those who will needlessly die.
We all love soccer. We all want our kids in school and playing games. Some of us believe in science and experts. Some of us/you don't. Some of us care about others, some don't.
Are you voting this year? For WHO? Do you have job security? Did you lose your job?
Desert Hound
DA
Actually you should look to see what Europe has actually done. Schools, public events, etc have been going on for some time. No universal mask wearing, etc.
Europe’s post-lockdown rules compared
Tourists can now go on a summer break, but social distancing rules differ from country to country.
www.politico.eu
Actually you should look to see what Europe has actually done. Schools, public events, etc have been going on for some time. No universal mask wearing, etc.
Europe’s post-lockdown rules compared
Tourists can now go on a summer break, but social distancing rules differ from country to country.
Yes, look at how they handled it.
Unified with good leadership.
And now they all agree on the strategy to keep Americans out...
Our President has made us a world pariah.
He’s gotta go.
oh canada
GOLD
Don't forget - 99% of these government leaders are not risk takers, they are not entrepreneurs, they rely on groupthink. That will always be reflected in their decisions. They would never make it in a private sector, creative, competition-based work environment. And they know it.LA County too today said likely no in person classes in LA County. That's the final nail in the coffin for the fall season in LA County. No school no fields. This is coming from County health, not just LAUSD, so it means it would cover private school as well. Told you guys....get out if you can.
LA Health Officials Say Students Will Likely Not Return To On-Campus Instruction In August
It is still unclear what the upcoming school year will look like, but Los Angeles County Health Director Barbara Ferrer said it is likely students will not return to on-campus instruction in August.losangeles.cbslocal.com
Desert Hound
DA
Nope. Have you met someone years later that is still dealing with the side effects of Covid?
Desert Hound
DA
They were not unified in any way. Each country did something different. Even within countries there was variation. Germany had a very decentralized approach to it.
Germany actually fined people for violating quarantine.Actually you should look to see what Europe has actually done. Schools, public events, etc have been going on for some time. No universal mask wearing, etc.
Europe’s post-lockdown rules compared
Tourists can now go on a summer break, but social distancing rules differ from country to country.
We have police departments announcing the fact that they won’t do anything.
Wonder whose quarantine was more effective?
Desert Hound
DA
Further note that a variety of countries opened up their schools some time ago, and most are doing in person classes this coming fall.
Desert Hound
DA
Didn't make too much of a difference.
US has 330 million people at we are at 135k deaths.
If we add up the major Euro countries who together have close to 326 million people they have 147k deaths.
UK
Spain
Italy
France
Germany
notintheface
GOLD
Well, it's a good thing that all of those under-17-year-olds don't live with anyone who they could infect, cause the death of, and then have lingering PTSD and guilt for the rest of their lives!
notintheface
GOLD
The funny thing is that if we did just this for exactly one month, we'd eliminate the virus from America.
Huge difference. How dumb are you?
They’re almost done with it.
We are just hitting high gear.
Dr Not in the face, where did you study at?
China locks them up and welds them shut, you want to go that far? What about Chris Cuomo who broke quarantine, despite being a confirmed positive, just to see his new house, and despite the fact that he knew better given all the lecturing he did to everyone and he got his wife sick? Germany's also still struggling with ongoing outbreaks particularly in the East where they didn't have an initial wave.
1. Masks help but they don't help as much as we want. We know that because in Japan mask usage is almost universal but they are still dealing with outbreaks. If masks "worked" and were the magic bullet, they wouldn't be having problems. Part of the reason is because people don't wear them properly (under noses or remove them to talk). Part of the reason is our masks our suboptimal (Spain, for example, based on its studies does not allow bandanas or surgical masks and requires at least cloth masks of a certain density). I'm all for masks indoors in public spaces or in crowds. I think the govt should be launching a program to secure high quality masks. But I don't anticipate they'll do a whole heck of a lot to stop things....there are dynamics here beyond that.
2. Yes COVID is more deblitating. But like with death, it's more debilitating for the old. A 40 year old is much more likely to recover from a heart attack than an 80 year old. We just don't know the specifics yet.
3. The experts have been wrong at everything. No masks, then masks. HDQ works, no it doesn't, yes it does. 1 month lockdown, go out and protests, oh back to lockdown. All the modeling that's been wrong. They have no idea. They are guessing. Honestly, I'll put up my record right now against Fauci's. We can't blindly rely on experts. It's our own job to get educated and think critically. If I blindly listened to the experts, BTW, I'd be dead right now. I've been dealing with a very bad very drug resistant infection....I knew something was wrong but the doctors just wanted to follow their protocols....if I hadn't questioned it aggressively it wouldn't have been the Rona that caught me and my kids would be burying me this weekend. Question everyting people! Your lives may depend on it.
I hear Downtown Disney ((ESPN)) open today with a big line of people. Cool for them. No soccer camp.....hahahahahahha
No no no no no. That's not how it works. No nation has been able to "eliminate" the thing with lockdowns except those that caught it really early and are basically islands.. The only thing the lockdowns MAY have accomplished is to limit the height of their curves. Our biggest mistake was doing a national lockdown. We shouldn't have locked down the South or SoCal when their wasn't a huge wave....it just pushed it later back in time. We can't even secure the southern border which is where at least part of the current outbreak is being drive. You would have had to have deployed the military across the border with Mexico and not even let back in US citizens, and you would have had to have shut down all travel between the states (which is prohibited by the Constitution). Even Australia (which did all that pretty much) is still dealing with outbreaks. There's not a whole lot we can do here....all governments around the world have failed....what's so difficult to understand about that.
notintheface
GOLD
Well I can read:
Coronavirus Resource Center - Harvard Health
COVID-19 (coronavirus disease 2019) is a respiratory illness caused by the SARS-CoV-2 virus. It is very contagious, and spreads quickly. Most people with COVID-19 have mild respiratory symptoms that feel much like a cold or flu. But it can be much more serious for older adults, people with...
www.health.harvard.edu
"Most people with coronavirus who have symptoms will no longer be contagious by 10 days after symptoms resolve."
...and I can do math:
"The time from exposure to symptom onset (known as the incubation period) is thought to be three to 14 days, though symptoms typically appear within four or five days after exposure."
Add that up and you get a month? That doesn't take an epidemiologist.