2003/2004 Boys. Standings, games of the week etc...

So yes, at least in this instance, player age at u17 - even just five months difference - seems to matter, a lot. Given that this is age advantage is not exactly a state secret and pretty easy to consistently document, seems like US Soccer might generate more significantly more talent for the SR USMNT (the cup doesn't exactly runneth over right now) by normalizing for this age advantage as players develop in the USSDA. just saying.

Suggestions like the above are,welcome and needed. While you effectively delve into the "micro" of our younger DA teams, the macro is that we are not developing players who can compete effectively among top soccer nations in international play. Obviously, we are failing at the combination of training, development and Player ID...and these are the problems that must be solved. One major reason is the overall weakness of US Soccer as an organization. It's a non-profit with no authority over the clubs. And its self-perpetuating staff needs better international training.
 
messy said:
So yes, at least in this instance, player age at u17 - even just five months difference - seems to matter, a lot. Given that this is age advantage is not exactly a state secret and pretty easy to consistently document, seems like US Soccer might generate more significantly more talent for the SR USMNT (the cup doesn't exactly runneth over right now) by normalizing for this age advantage as players develop in the USSDA. just saying.

Suggestions like the above are,welcome and needed. While you effectively delve into the "micro" of our younger DA teams, the macro is that we are not developing players who can compete effectively among top soccer nations in international play. Obviously, we are failing at the combination of training, development and Player ID...and these are the problems that must be solved. One major reason is the overall weakness of US Soccer as an organization. It's a non-profit with no authority over the clubs. And its self-perpetuating staff needs better international training.
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Where’s the old “winner” button? ;)

Well said there Messy.
 
Top 8 in DA Cup has no SoCal or Texas teams. LAG lost the tie breaker with Sounders due to yellow cards. Sounders and EQ are the only two West Coast teams to Advance.

1. Chicago Fire vs 8. Sporting KC
2. SJ Quakes vs 7. Inter Miami CF
3. Chicago Sockers vs 6. Seattle Sounders
4. Philadelphia Union vs 5. Montreal Impact
 
So what does that mean for the so cal teams who weren’t top 8? Do they go to the spring showcase as well or is spring showcase just for these 8 teams?
 
Cibo said:
LAG lost the tie breaker with Sounders due to yellow cards.
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Yep, true story. Tied up across all published tie-breakers (points, goal diff, goals scored, and head-to-head). LAG lost 4-3 on yellows. The worst part, the 3rd and 4th yellows came in the 86' and 90'. Wasn't there, but was told it was time-wasting. Don't think anyone knew what the 5th tie-breaker was.
 
full90 said:
So what does that mean for the so cal teams who weren’t top 8? Do they go to the spring showcase as well or is spring showcase just for these 8 teams?
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"Teams that did not advance to the Winter Cup will also attend Winter Showcase and play three games that will determine their place in the final DA Cup rankings." found this here https://ussoccer.app.box.com/s/41nteo134p4k0hvs0hrhq4u3gn6v1bmk

It does not say that for Spring Cup in Kansas City, so, I assume its just the 8 teams that advanced.
 
Kante said:
u17 YNT camp announced from Feb 15th to Feb 20th w/ friendly matches vs Denmark, France and England.
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US Soccer wants coaches. It's a shame the feeling isn't mutual...
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US Soccer wants coaches. It's a shame the feeling isn't mutual

Raphael Wicky is the latest coach to defect from a job at US Soccer to MLS. It’s a worrying trend as the federation attempts to rebuild itselfEarnie Stewart already had a busy 2020 in store when news broke at the end of December that Raphael Wicky had been hired as the Chicago Fire’s new head...
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"Earnie Stewart already had a busy 2020 in store when news broke at the end of December that Raphael Wicky had been hired as the Chicago Fire’s new head coach. Wicky had only been the United States’ Under-17 men’s national team boss since March but the Swiss still decided to jump ship, leaving Stewart with yet another position at US Soccer to fill heading into the new year.

In fact Stewart, US Soccer’s sporting director, has no fewer than five head coach positions to fill. The United States’ men’s soccer programme currently has vacancies at U-20, U-19, U-18, U-17 and U-16 level with Gregg Berhalter and Jason Kreis the only two head coaches on the books at this moment. The landscape is much the same on the women’s side, with five head coach positions also to be filled in the youth ranks.

US Soccer is currently a shell and Wicky’s departure continues a trend that should worry Stewart. The federation is finding it increasingly difficult to keep its coaches from the clutches of Major League Soccer clubs with Tab Ramos also recently leaving his long-term role as USA U-23s head coach for a job with the Houston Dynamo."
 
younothat said:
US Soccer wants coaches. It's a shame the feeling isn't mutual...
sports.yahoo.com

US Soccer wants coaches. It's a shame the feeling isn't mutual

Raphael Wicky is the latest coach to defect from a job at US Soccer to MLS. It’s a worrying trend as the federation attempts to rebuild itselfEarnie Stewart already had a busy 2020 in store when news broke at the end of December that Raphael Wicky had been hired as the Chicago Fire’s new head...
sports.yahoo.com sports.yahoo.com

"Earnie Stewart already had a busy 2020 in store when news broke at the end of December that Raphael Wicky had been hired as the Chicago Fire’s new head coach. Wicky had only been the United States’ Under-17 men’s national team boss since March but the Swiss still decided to jump ship, leaving Stewart with yet another position at US Soccer to fill heading into the new year.

In fact Stewart, US Soccer’s sporting director, has no fewer than five head coach positions to fill. The United States’ men’s soccer programme currently has vacancies at U-20, U-19, U-18, U-17 and U-16 level with Gregg Berhalter and Jason Kreis the only two head coaches on the books at this moment. The landscape is much the same on the women’s side, with five head coach positions also to be filled in the youth ranks.

US Soccer is currently a shell and Wicky’s departure continues a trend that should worry Stewart. The federation is finding it increasingly difficult to keep its coaches from the clutches of Major League Soccer clubs with Tab Ramos also recently leaving his long-term role as USA U-23s head coach for a job with the Houston Dynamo."
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Earnie needs to go to Cordeiro and get a travel fund with which to go to Europe and South America and scout the best youth coaches. I’m sure he also has local contacts.
So many want to live in the US.
Then he needs a healthy compensation package to offer to each of them, along with family moving expenses.
He also needs to permit them to live somewhere other than Chicago, e.g. Florida or Ca.
That’s one tip of the many-tipped, multi-iceberg problems facing Earnie.
 
in the interview w/ AO, Stewart is clear that he's not open at all to having YNT coaches not in Chicago.

so, it's a bad combination of YNT coach gig requiring a high level of expertise/experience/success that's likely not matched by the combo of relatively low comp plus relocation to Chicago plus uncertain longer term career path.

btw, correction/edits on u17 camp. Camp goes Feb 15th thru Feb 25th in the UK. Word on twitter is that Larry Sunderland (from FC Cinncinnati) will be the new U17 coach, and will also have some/lots of influence on/management of the YNT teams/coaches down to u14 NDP (implied by Stewart in his AO interview - caveat: reading btw the lines here...)
 
U.S. U-20 men's national team coaching hire met with derision...

Anthony Hudson was anything but successful in MLS. ...
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U.S. U-20 men's national team coaching hire met with derision

In contrast to new U-20 women's coach Laura Harvey in the NWSL, Anthony Hudson was anything but successful in MLS.
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Corderio and Stewart decisions on coaching selections have left a lot to be desired so far
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USMNT: Serious questions regarding Anthony Hudson hire

Former Colorado Rapids head coach Anthony Hudson was appointed as the USMNT under-20's head coach. It is a curious decision, to say the least, and ser...
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here's predict for this weekend (1/25/20). home teams are listed first.

San Diego Surf 3 - LAGSD 1
Arsenal 0 - LA Galaxy 2
Barca 2 - FC Golden State 2
Nomads 3 - Pateadores 2
 
so credit where credit is due.

LAFC, in a first team friendly on 1/25 at the Banc of California stadium in front of almost 20,000 fans against top Uruguayan side - Penarol, gave five u17 academy players a decent number of minutes playing w/ the first team. The academy players were:

Erik Duenas - entered match in the first half as one of two of the first academy players off the bench (with Christian Torres) and played 31 minutes. By way of background, Duenas started less than 1/3 of the matches in 2017-18 w/ LAFC's u14 team, played down an age group w/ the u14s in 208-19 in five matches as a biobanded player (mid-October dob) but emerged as an every match starter at u17 in the 2019-20 season. Duenas has been w/ LAFC's academy since their initial u12 team in 2016-17.

Christian Torres - entered match in the first half as one of two of the first academy players off the bench (with Erik Duenas) and played 31 minutes. Over the course of his academy career, Torres has started just in just over 80% of his academy matches played and is averaging about .6 goals per game. Torres has been w/ LAFC's academy since their initial u12 team in 2016-17.

Tony Leone - entered the match at the beginning of the second half and logged 23 minutes. Leone is a top defender of the u17 academy team and has started 58 out of 59 academy matches played since 2017-18. Leone has been w/ LAFC's academy since their initial u12 team in 2016-17.

Diego Rosales - entered the match at the 68th minute for Tony Leone and logged 22 minutes. Rosales is a top defender with the 05/u15 academy team and has started close to 90% of the nearly 50 academy matches he has played. Rosales has been w/ LAFC's academy since their initial u12 team in 2016-17 and is a November dob 05.

Armando Avila - entered the match at the 83rd minute. Avila plays w/ the u17s and has started 56 of 61 academy games played since 2017-18. Avila has been w/ LAFC's academy since their initial u12 team in 2016-17.
 
Kante said:
so credit where credit is due.

LAFC, in a first team friendly on 1/25 at the Banc of California stadium in front of almost 20,000 fans against top Uruguayan side - Penarol, gave five u17 academy players a decent number of minutes playing w/ the first team. The academy players were:

Erik Duenas - entered match in the first half as one of two of the first academy players off the bench (with Christian Torres) and played 31 minutes. By way of background, Duenas started less than 1/3 of the matches in 2017-18 w/ LAFC's u14 team, played down an age group w/ the u14s in 208-19 in five matches as a biobanded player (mid-October dob) but emerged as an every match starter at u17 in the 2019-20 season. Duenas has been w/ LAFC's academy since their initial u12 team in 2016-17.

Christian Torres - entered match in the first half as one of two of the first academy players off the bench (with Erik Duenas) and played 31 minutes. Over the course of his academy career, Torres has started just in just over 80% of his academy matches played and is averaging about .6 goals per game. Torres has been w/ LAFC's academy since their initial u12 team in 2016-17.

Tony Leone - entered the match at the beginning of the second half and logged 23 minutes. Leone is a top defender of the u17 academy team and has started 58 out of 59 academy matches played since 2017-18. Leone has been w/ LAFC's academy since their initial u12 team in 2016-17.

Diego Rosales - entered the match at the 68th minute for Tony Leone and logged 22 minutes. Rosales is a top defender with the 05/u15 academy team and has started close to 90% of the nearly 50 academy matches he has played. Rosales has been w/ LAFC's academy since their initial u12 team in 2016-17 and is a November dob 05.

Armando Avila - entered the match at the 83rd minute. Avila plays w/ the u17s and has started 56 of 61 academy games played since 2017-18. Avila has been w/ LAFC's academy since their initial u12 team in 2016-17.
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Good recap just some minor corrections, Pollo (AA) has been with LAFC since U15 last year played with LAUFA prior to that from u12.

Great atmosphere at the banc last night and experiences for the players.
 
here's predict vs actuals for this last weekend (1/25/20). home teams are listed first.

predict: San Diego Surf 3 - LAGSD 1 / actuals: pending
does anyone have the score for this match?

predict: Arsenal 0 - LA Galaxy 2 / actuals: Arsenal 0 - LA Galaxy 4
note: per game report, was only 1-0 LAG at ht, but LAG put in three more, including two late goals in the last ten minutes for the 4-0 win. VV had a double.

predict: Barca 2 - FC Golden State 2 / actuals: Barca 1 - FC Golden State 3
note: interesting result. Barca scored first but FCG tied at the very end of the second half for 1-1 tie score going into 2h. FCG seems to have owned the 2h, with goals at the 65th and 81st minutes for the 3-1 final score. MG had a double for FCG.

Barca is no slouch of a team overall, and is a +55% better team and -74% better defensive team playing at their Casa Grande, AZ home field. So, the algo expected a bit more from them in this match (although FCG is solid)

anyone have comments/insight into this match, either for this post or DM?

predict: Nomads 3 - Pateadores 2 / actuals: Nomads 2 - Pateadores 2
note: per the game report, Pats went up early in this one with goals at the 7th minute and then in the 2nd half at the 52nd minute for 2-0 lead. However. Nomads scored twice in the last five minutes of the game for the tie, with IV getting a double (and then a yellow - presumably for a celebration). Looks like a fun one to watch but the algo expected a better performance from the Nomads.

anyone have comments/insight into this match, either for this post or DM?
 
here's predicts for this weekend (2/2/20). home team is listed first.

Albion 1 - LAFC 2
FC Golden State 4 - LAGSD 1
LA Galaxy 1 - Nomads 2 - match to watch
note: LA Galaxy and the Nomads are two of a small number of u16/u17 teams that rosters about about the same # of 04s as 03s on their u16/u17 team roster (counting players w/ >1 game, LAG has 13 03s vs 14 04s, and Nomads have 8 03s and 11 04s).

In addition, LAG plays the 04s in about the same # of u16/u17 games as they do the 03s (their 04s have averaged 6.9 u16/u17 games played per 04 player this season vs the 03s have averaged 6.8 u16/u17 games played per player). To be fair that may be because LAG play the 03s up but still.

And the LAG 04s also average about the same u16/u17 games started (4.9 u16/u17 games started per 04 player) than the 03s (5.4 u16/u17 games started per 03 player).

The Nomads have tended so far to play their 03s more than LAG, with their03s playing on average about 11 games played per player vs about 8 games games played on average by 04s. Nomads also tend to start their 03s at a higher rate with the 03s having started about 8 games per player while 04s have started about 5 games on average per player.

Net net, good on both LAG and the Nomads for playing the kids.

Will be interesting to see how this one turns out since it's the part of the season where - if a club cares about making the play-offs - wins now matter. Nomads are .33 pts per game off a playoff spot while LAG is a full one pt per game back from a play-off spot.

Barca 2 San Diego Surf 2 - match to watch
Arsenal 1 - Pateadores - maybe an opportunity for the Pats to play the kids...
Strikers 1 - Real SoCal 2
 
here's predicts vs actuals for this last weekend (2/2/20). home team is listed first.

predict: Albion 1 - LAFC 2 / actuals: Albion 0 - LAFC 5
predict: FC Golden State 4 - LAGSD 1 / actuals: FC Golden State 3 - LAGSD 1
predict: LA Galaxy 1 - Nomads 2 / actuals: LA Galaxy 0 - Nomads 0
predict: Barca 2 - San Diego Surf 2 / actuals: Barca 4 - San Diego Surf 1
predict: Arsenal 1 - Pateadores 5 / actuals: Arsenal 1 - Pateadores 4
predict: Strikers 1 - Real SoCal 2 / actuals: Strikers 1 - Real SoCal 1
 
here's predicts for this coming weekend (2/8/20). home team is listed first.

SoCal:
Arsenal 1 - Albion 1
LAGSD 2 - Pateadores 6 (come on Pats, play the kids!...)
Real SoCal 1 - Nomads 1 - match to watch
note: Nomads are one of the better defensive teams in the country. Real SoCal seem very solid - but not off the charts - on both sides of the ball. Should be a fun one to watch.

LAFC 2 - LA Galaxy 1 - match to watch
note: LA Galaxy have a 27 player team roster w/ about an even number of 04s and 03s. Last time these teams played - a match LAG welcomed LAFC to u17 by winning 4-1 - LAG only played one 04 - YNT player VV - while LAFC only fielded 04s. To be fair, LAFC's 04s DOBs skew considerably older than average.

LAFC has been put together some very solid matches since the beginning of December, scoring an average of more than 4 goals per match while posting three shutouts in four game.

LAG hasn't been on quite the same goal scoring tear but has also posted three shutouts in their last four games.

Should be a fun one to watch.

SoCal Adjacent Match:
San Jose Earthquakes 3 - De Anza Force 1
 
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