Bad News Thread

kickingandscreaming said:
Had - as in sometime in the past - or have a currently active case that could spread to others? Can they determine that from the test?
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I don’t think they can tell if someone is contagious, or how contagious they are. I suppose you could try to measure something like number of viral particles shed per minute of speech. Sounds more like research work than a clinical test, though.

Even then, I think you’d find that the 2 infected passengers were shedding a small amount of virus. Not enough to ring alarm bells. But enough that you don’t want them to be in a closed environment with 2000 other people, either.
 
Mad Hatter said:
I like to check back in every now and then.

The sun still rises and you still have your little authoritarian streak.

Despite all the real world facts coming in, you still cling to your need to have rules/regs that don't work. Now you are on to vaccine passports?

And you are still wearing a mask? What is wrong with you? You have the vax.
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To be honest, the last year has reminded me how much I like the outdoors. I tend not to mask up much because I spend so much time outside in the wind.

I’ll still mask up inside, but that’s the law here. It’s part of why Santa Clara County has less than half as many deaths per capita as Arizona.
 
dad4 said:
You are using a false dichotomy. Trust is not boolean.

I trust the vaccine to do what they tested it to do: be 95% effective at preventing serious illness.
I do not trust the vaccine to completely block transmission in a very high risk environment like a cruise ship.

So, do I trust the vaccine or not?

There is nothing logically inconsistent with using both vaccines and tests.
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For a cruise there is. If they are that unsafe you need to do both may as well not have cruises because otherwise you are asking people who have been vaccinated to pay all that cash for a potential vacation locked in their cabins for a week
 
dad4 said:
There is nothing logically inconsistent with using both vaccines and tests.
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Except the PCR does not test for current presence of the corona virus. You may have corona genetic sequences in your boogers. But the PCR won't tell you how long you've had those sequences in your system.
 
dad4 said:
I’ll still mask up inside, but that’s the law here. It’s part of why Santa Clara County has less than half as many deaths per capita as Arizona.
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This is where your religion and math fails you.

We have a different population.

Cal has 97k cases per million
AZ has 121k cases per million.

It is not a WOW kind of difference.

Deaths do not move fully with cases either.

CT which has essentially the same cases per million as CA has 2400 deaths per million vs CAs 1600. And then CO who has essentially the same cases per million as CA but instead has 1180 deaths per million.

So it is not like CA has done a fantastic job of stopping the spread vs AZ.
Similar states to AZ case wise? UTAH has more cases per mil but deaths per mil of around 750. Wisconsin about the same cases but 1300 or so deaths per million.

And so on and so on.

I hate to break it to you, but CA didn't do anything special in terms of stopping the spread of the virus. They did however FAIL in the education of kids and college age people, failed to help biz, failed to help employees of those businesses they shuttered, etc.

It was a pointless attempt on the part of CA. Real world data shows you all may as well have had in person classes, etc.
 
Cruise ships? I'm not sure there are many things more unappealing then being stuck on a floating hotel with 2,000+ other people. I know people swear by them, but my idea of a vacation is getting away from other people. If I did go on a cruise, I'd worry way more about getting the norovirus than I would the coronavirus.
 
watfly said:
Cruise ships? I'm not sure there are many things more unappealing then being stuck on a floating hotel with 2,000+ other people. I know people swear by them, but my idea of a vacation is getting away from other people. If I did go on a cruise, I'd worry way more about getting the norovirus than I would the coronavirus.
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We took that 3 night 4 day carnival cruise with the kids 10 years ago. I took a pink pill the first night and just sleeped instead of puking. The food was great. The kids had a blast and I will never do a cruise again, vaxxed or not vaxxed. Can you imagine dad 4 types masking everyone around and just being a complete maskhole?
 
Bruddah IZ said:
Except the PCR does not test for current presence of the corona virus. You may have corona genetic sequences in your boogers. But the PCR won't tell you how long you've had those sequences in your system.
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And if the corona genetic sequences are detected via PCR we know that there is a near 100% chance that you'll make it. If you even present with symptoms at all!! The Scamdemic that Dad$ keeps puttin' the paddles to was DOA. The Faucian's are a bunch of cowards.
 
Mad Hatter said:
I like to check back in every now and then.

The sun still rises and you still have your little authoritarian streak.

Despite all the real world facts coming in, you still cling to your need to have rules/regs that don't work. Now you are on to vaccine passports?

And you are still wearing a mask? What is wrong with you? You have the vax.
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I don't get where all the emotion comes from about vaccine passports. Am I the only one old enough to remember the yellow vaccine cards that were required for entry (or even visa applications) to much of the world? Aren't kids still required to show proof of up-to-date immunizations in order to attend public schools?

School & Childcare Requirements for Immunizations :: Public Health :: Contra Costa Health Services

Find out what vaccines are recommended for you and your family.
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espola said:
I don't get where all the emotion comes from about vaccine passports. Am I the only one old enough to remember the yellow vaccine cards that were required for entry (or even visa applications) to much of the world? Aren't kids still required to show proof of up-to-date immunizations in order to attend public schools?

School & Childcare Requirements for Immunizations :: Public Health :: Contra Costa Health Services

Find out what vaccines are recommended for you and your family.
cchealth.org cchealth.org
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Coo Coo Magoo
 
Kicker4Life said:
Quick point of order, it’s not a “law” it’s a mandate. There is a difference.
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I told a lady that yesterday and she said, ""well sir, rules and mandates were made to follow and are for your own safety and my staffs safety. She is keeping mask requirement even after June 15th. Next week will be interesting yo say the least.
 
espola said:
I don't get where all the emotion comes from about vaccine passports. Am I the only one old enough to remember the yellow vaccine cards that were required for entry (or even visa applications) to much of the world? Aren't kids still required to show proof of up-to-date immunizations in order to attend public schools?

School & Childcare Requirements for Immunizations :: Public Health :: Contra Costa Health Services

Find out what vaccines are recommended for you and your family.
cchealth.org cchealth.org
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Were they PCR testing back then?
 
Grace T. said:
For a cruise there is. If they are that unsafe you need to do both may as well not have cruises because otherwise you are asking people who have been vaccinated to pay all that cash for a potential vacation locked in their cabins for a week
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Another way to look at this is that the cruise lines assure all their fellow cruisers have been vaccinated and any that show positive tests will be kept away from the others, thus avoiding the cruise-ship virtual prisons we saw early last year. Does that positive outweigh the negative of potentially being locked for a few days? The answer is for every customer to answer on his own.
 
espola said:
I don't get where all the emotion comes from about vaccine passports. Am I the only one old enough to remember the yellow vaccine cards that were required for entry (or even visa applications) to much of the world? Aren't kids still required to show proof of up-to-date immunizations in order to attend public schools?

School & Childcare Requirements for Immunizations :: Public Health :: Contra Costa Health Services

Find out what vaccines are recommended for you and your family.
cchealth.org cchealth.org
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Apples and oranges, but you know that.

If a private business wants to see my vaccine card, I have the choice whether to give them my business. I suspect if its a concert I really wanted to go to I would gladly show my vaccine card. In other cases, I'm probably taking my business elsewhere.

We will not require our customers to show a vaccine card, because its none of our f'ing business. This is decision that took less than a couple seconds to make.

There is this dangerous trend of the "infantilization" of adults (this is particularly distasteful when its done to minorities). IMO, requiring vaccine cards instead of using the honor system is an example of this.
 
espola said:
Another way to look at this is that the cruise lines assure all their fellow cruisers have been vaccinated and any that show positive tests will be kept away from the others, thus avoiding the cruise-ship virtual prisons we saw early last year. Does that positive outweigh the negative of potentially being locked for a few days? The answer is for every customer to answer on his own.
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People being people.....such people who don't trust the vaccine and want their fellow travellers quarantined if they test positive will be happy until they find they were at the dinner table with said people and now have to wait 3 days locked in their cabins until they can be tested.
 
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