New Youth Sports Guidance

GT45 said:
There were very few clubs who applied for the PPP. And, you assume the club is paying coaches with that money. A lot of club coaches were furloughed during the spring when club shut down. And, you can bet it would only get worse if we shut down again. So yeah my concern for them is valid.
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Every club in our area with the exception of one small one and one large one (good for them) have received PPP. The PPP is designed to help keep employees, if they are not using it for that, what are they using it for? I hope they are all able to sustain their club but doubtful coaches are in the free food lines yet.
 
Chalklines said:
Where are the loans under 100k or 50k? There should be another data base, right?
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IDK...didn't look for it. If they are borrowing under $100k that would make perfect sense just to pay for attorney fees which is probably HUGE right now, insurance, contract fees, salaries of key club administrators etc. The larger the club, the larger those expenses.
 
Copa9 said:
Every club in our area with the exception of one small one and one large one (good for them) have received PPP. The PPP is designed to help keep employees, if they are not using it for that, what are they using it for? I hope they are all able to sustain their club but doubtful coaches are in the free food lines yet.
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The coaches will be if we shut down again. And, that was the point of my post. The person started this with just 'shut it all down' because 'he is at risk and won't be able to feed his family'.
 
GT45 said:
The coaches will be if we shut down again. And, that was the point of my post. The person started this with just 'shut it all down' because 'he is at risk and won't be able to feed his family'.
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That isn't what the person said...here is what the person said:
"Just in terms of priorities with everything your child has to deal with and the uncertainty with the pandemic I think fall soccer competitions rank pretty low. Someone needs to put their big boy/girl pants on and just announce in a clear declarative sentence that every youth club will understand, "THERE WILL BE NO YOUTH COMPETITIONS IN 2020". Done. The remaining 4 months of 2020 will be focused on training with hopefully the return of competitions in 2021, which should be ample prep time for organizers and for consumer confidence to return."
 
Keepermom2 said:
That isn't what the person said...here is what the person said:
"Just in terms of priorities with everything your child has to deal with and the uncertainty with the pandemic I think fall soccer competitions rank pretty low. Someone needs to put their big boy/girl pants on and just announce in a clear declarative sentence that every youth club will understand, "THERE WILL BE NO YOUTH COMPETITIONS IN 2020". Done. The remaining 4 months of 2020 will be focused on training with hopefully the return of competitions in 2021, which should be ample prep time for organizers and for consumer confidence to return."
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I am getting my dd playing indoor/futsal and I will be fine with this. It's time to move on to the next season if there's another delay past the Oct 1st date. Indoor is easier to hide in private facilities. You only need 8 to 10 players (same team, different teams, friends & Family). Kids love indoor and more importantly there's no parents or coaches playing joystick coaching with the kids.

The rest of the world plays futsal/indoor for a good amount of the year. Our kids need to think for themselves and have fun. Let's turn it around and have them come out better from this situation than they came in. Let's face it, tournaments are mostly for parents. Yes kids love it when they win but the amount of yelling and screaming from coaches and parents is the most annoying part for kids.
 
SoccerFan4Life said:
I am getting my dd playing indoor/futsal and I will be fine with this. It's time to move on to the next season if there's another delay past the Oct 1st date. Indoor is easier to hide in private facilities. You only need 8 to 10 players (same team, different teams, friends & Family). Kids love indoor and more importantly there's no parents or coaches playing joystick coaching with the kids.

The rest of the world plays futsal/indoor for a good amount of the year. Our kids need to think for themselves and have fun. Let's turn it around and have them come out better from this situation than they came in. Let's face it, tournaments are mostly for parents. Yes kids love it when they win but the amount of yelling and screaming from coaches and parents is the most annoying part for kids.
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I grew up playing indoor soccer (practice and 5v5 competitive games). We played pretty much every night for 2 hours and I did that for 10+ years. Indoor soccer was responsible for a massive part of my development; it’s invaluable for young players and I know it’s grown in popularity here in recent years which is a good thing. Before Covid, we finally got futsal going at a local school and the plan is to pick back up when we get thru this.

And yes, one of the best parts about it is that coaches can just let kids play for the most part. Kids can develop their technical skills and competence with the ball and then coaches can help them to understand the game better when it comes to the full-sided game outdoors. IMO a lack of technical skills hinders a huge % of players; if everyone played indoor at young ages to develop technical competence, I firmly believe the dropout rate at older ages would be much lower because players would be more competent and confident (and therefore able to compete).

Good for you getting your dd playing futsal if you have that option right now.
 
Keepermom2 said:
That isn't what the person said...here is what the person said:
"Just in terms of priorities with everything your child has to deal with and the uncertainty with the pandemic I think fall soccer competitions rank pretty low. Someone needs to put their big boy/girl pants on and just announce in a clear declarative sentence that every youth club will understand, "THERE WILL BE NO YOUTH COMPETITIONS IN 2020". Done. The remaining 4 months of 2020 will be focused on training with hopefully the return of competitions in 2021, which should be ample prep time for organizers and for consumer confidence to return."
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No one asked for you to bud in where you were not invited. Here is what he said:

There really should be some clarity and they should just announce that no competitions will occur this fall. End of story.

He wants a clear answer for himself because he is at risk. He is concerned about feeding his family. Once an announcement like this is made, clubs will stop paying coaches because dues will not come in. There is no need to make such an announcement when clubs and high schools are playing elsewhere in the country without issue so far. We still may be able to as well. So it is not the 'end of story' as he hopes for. He selfishly wants answers for himself. Coaches need to feed their families too. His post was all about his daughter and his health.

I repeat: Other states are playing club games, tournaments, and high school soccer. That will also likely have an impact on us. Do they do it successfully? Then why can't we.
 
GT45 said:
No one asked for you to bud in where you were not invited. Here is what he said:

There really should be some clarity and they should just announce that no competitions will occur this fall. End of story.

He wants a clear answer for himself because he is at risk. He is concerned about feeding his family.
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Is that what I really said? You may want to go back and read my post. I used my own health issue as an example of a child's support system that can be at risk. This was to counter simply looking at death statistics for kids as the only factor when assessing risk for guidelines. But you've seemed to latched onto that and twisted into me saying "I want shut all down!" and "Throw coaches on the street!". In terms of moving things to 2021, I was specifically referring to competitions such as large tournaments and league play. Last I checked Surf Cup, CSL,Presidio, and SCDSL don't give a cut of their income to coaches...

Once an announcement like this is made, clubs will stop paying coaches because dues will not come in. There is no need to make such an announcement when clubs and high schools are playing elsewhere in the country without issue so far.
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I don't agree with that logic. For starters, this is August, a lot of clubs have already collected a good chunk of club dues from parents. Things like Surf Cup and Albion Cup come out of separate team fees paid by parents, not the club. Just because there aren't summer tournaments and a fall league doesn't mean clubs should just stop paying coaches. Nevermind the fact many of these clubs received PPP, which is specifically designed to maintain payroll. Making an announcement that competitions will resume in 2021 with the fall focused on team and private training, I don't see it as such a cataclysm as you do. My son and daughter played in DA/DPL and the fall season was always a bit light with things really ramping up in the spring. Due to scheduling my son's team last year had only about 3-4 games the entire fall, yet the coach still got paid and the kids kept training.

Instead of dangling the carrot of tournaments the entire fall, just let clubs focus on training and coming up with unique ideas to keep training interesting this fall. We also have no idea how hard flu season will hit with COVID. If we end up having 20-30% players or whole teams siting out for various reasons, are we really even having meaningful competitions anymore?

He selfishly wants answers for himself. Coaches need to feed their families too. His post was all about his daughter and his health.

I repeat: Other states are playing club games, tournaments, and high school soccer. That will also likely have an impact on us. Do they do it successfully? Then why can't we.
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Again, that was your takaway from what I said? My post was all about my daughter and my health? That overly long post had 8 paragraphs and only about 2-3 sentences were about my daughter and my health.

And as I said before, using other states as an example when we are the largest state in the union with several huge metropolitan areas, we can't just blindly follow Kansas or Pennsylvania. With our population if things go bad, it can be catastrophic and very difficult to unwind, so yes we can look at data from other states but we have to come up with our own unique California solution.

Even if tournaments are postponed until 2021, I do think the players will look forward to the team distanced and other forms of small group training. Remember most schools will either be virtual or distanced learning with PE being unlikely and no fall HS/Middle school sports. Even without tournaments, players can still get a lot of value from their team and have something to look forward to this fall. if we start measuring their expectations now, it'll be an easier adjustment. It'll also keep the playing field relatively even for those teammates who choose to train at home/indoor/privates/futsal outside of their team training if there's health concerns.

And you never know, if we get our act together on timely testing, results, and tracing we might be able to resume scrimmages in local "green zones" (ie. areas with low case count) earlier than expected.
 
Eusebio said:
Is that what I really said? You may want to go back and read my post. I used my own health issue as an example of a child's support system that can be at risk. This was to counter simply looking at death statistics for kids as the only factor when assessing risk for guidelines. But you've seemed to latched onto that and twisted into me saying "I want shut all down!" and "Throw coaches on the street!". In terms of moving things to 2021, I was specifically referring to competitions such as large tournaments and league play. Last I checked Surf Cup, CSL,Presidio, and SCDSL don't give a cut of their income to coaches...



I don't agree with that logic. For starters, this is August, a lot of clubs have already collected a good chunk of club dues from parents. Things like Surf Cup and Albion Cup come out of separate team fees paid by parents, not the club. Just because there aren't summer tournaments and a fall league doesn't mean clubs should just stop paying coaches. Nevermind the fact many of these clubs received PPP, which is specifically designed to maintain payroll. Making an announcement that competitions will resume in 2021 with the fall focused on team and private training, I don't see it as such a cataclysm as you do. My son and daughter played in DA/DPL and the fall season was always a bit light with things really ramping up in the spring. Due to scheduling my son's team last year had only about 3-4 games the entire fall, yet the coach still got paid and the kids kept training.

Instead of dangling the carrot of tournaments the entire fall, just let clubs focus on training and coming up with unique ideas to keep training interesting this fall. We also have no idea how hard flu season will hit with COVID. If we end up having 20-30% players or whole teams siting out for various reasons, are we really even having meaningful competitions anymore?



Again, that was your takaway from what I said? My post was all about my daughter and my health? That overly long post had 8 paragraphs and only about 2-3 sentences were about my daughter and my health.

And as I said before, using other states as an example when we are the largest state in the union with several huge metropolitan areas, we can't just blindly follow Kansas or Pennsylvania. With our population if things go bad, it can be catastrophic and very difficult to unwind, so yes we can look at data from other states but we have to come up with our own unique California solution.

Even if tournaments are postponed until 2021, I do think the players will look forward to the team distanced and other forms of small group training. Remember most schools will either be virtual or distanced learning with PE being unlikely and no fall HS/Middle school sports. Even without tournaments, players can still get a lot of value from their team and have something to look forward to this fall. if we start measuring their expectations now, it'll be an easier adjustment. It'll also keep the playing field relatively even for those teammates who choose to train at home/indoor/privates/futsal outside of their team training if there's health concerns.

And you never know, if we get our act together on timely testing, results, and tracing we might be able to resume scrimmages in local "green zones" (ie. areas with low case count) earlier than expected.
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Eusebio....it is pointless to try and use reason with this guy because he either doesn't know how to read with appropriate comprehension or he just likes to fight.
 
Eusebio said:
Is that what I really said? You may want to go back and read my post. I used my own health issue as an example of a child's support system that can be at risk. This was to counter simply looking at death statistics for kids as the only factor when assessing risk for guidelines. But you've seemed to latched onto that and twisted into me saying "I want shut all down!" and "Throw coaches on the street!". In terms of moving things to 2021, I was specifically referring to competitions such as large tournaments and league play. Last I checked Surf Cup, CSL,Presidio, and SCDSL don't give a cut of their income to coaches...



I don't agree with that logic. For starters, this is August, a lot of clubs have already collected a good chunk of club dues from parents. Things like Surf Cup and Albion Cup come out of separate team fees paid by parents, not the club. Just because there aren't summer tournaments and a fall league doesn't mean clubs should just stop paying coaches. Nevermind the fact many of these clubs received PPP, which is specifically designed to maintain payroll. Making an announcement that competitions will resume in 2021 with the fall focused on team and private training, I don't see it as such a cataclysm as you do. My son and daughter played in DA/DPL and the fall season was always a bit light with things really ramping up in the spring. Due to scheduling my son's team last year had only about 3-4 games the entire fall, yet the coach still got paid and the kids kept training.

Instead of dangling the carrot of tournaments the entire fall, just let clubs focus on training and coming up with unique ideas to keep training interesting this fall. We also have no idea how hard flu season will hit with COVID. If we end up having 20-30% players or whole teams siting out for various reasons, are we really even having meaningful competitions anymore?



Again, that was your takaway from what I said? My post was all about my daughter and my health? That overly long post had 8 paragraphs and only about 2-3 sentences were about my daughter and my health.

And as I said before, using other states as an example when we are the largest state in the union with several huge metropolitan areas, we can't just blindly follow Kansas or Pennsylvania. With our population if things go bad, it can be catastrophic and very difficult to unwind, so yes we can look at data from other states but we have to come up with our own unique California solution.

Even if tournaments are postponed until 2021, I do think the players will look forward to the team distanced and other forms of small group training. Remember most schools will either be virtual or distanced learning with PE being unlikely and no fall HS/Middle school sports. Even without tournaments, players can still get a lot of value from their team and have something to look forward to this fall. if we start measuring their expectations now, it'll be an easier adjustment. It'll also keep the playing field relatively even for those teammates who choose to train at home/indoor/privates/futsal outside of their team training if there's health concerns.

And you never know, if we get our act together on timely testing, results, and tracing we might be able to resume scrimmages in local "green zones" (ie. areas with low case count) earlier than expected.
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Side note on Pennsylvania who has 6.3 cases per 100,000....their governor just announced no youth sports until January 1.
 
Paul Spacey said:
I grew up playing indoor soccer (practice and 5v5 competitive games). We played pretty much every night for 2 hours and I did that for 10+ years. Indoor soccer was responsible for a massive part of my development; it’s invaluable for young players and I know it’s grown in popularity here in recent years which is a good thing. Before Covid, we finally got futsal going at a local school and the plan is to pick back up when we get thru this.

And yes, one of the best parts about it is that coaches can just let kids play for the most part. Kids can develop their technical skills and competence with the ball and then coaches can help them to understand the game better when it comes to the full-sided game outdoors. IMO a lack of technical skills hinders a huge % of players; if everyone played indoor at young ages to develop technical competence, I firmly believe the dropout rate at older ages would be much lower because players would be more competent and confident (and therefore able to compete).

Good for you getting your dd playing futsal if you have that option right now.
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Concrete Football | Netflix

The development of professional soccer worldwide owes a great debt to the soccer -- or "football" -- that is played on the streets of France.
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timbuck said:
How many kids had a chance to try tubing / wakeboarding / waterskiing this summer? My kids did.
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Same.. at first we didn't know what to do with our free weekends, we were in a bit of shock we're so used to running around for soccer. Skateboarding and Surfing is another thing the kids picked up.. I hold my breath every time they go skating it makes me nervous and I feel old and hear myself telling them the same stuff my parents said to me... Yikes!
 
Mic Nificent said:
i don’t recall saying it was livable, right? Who would turn down an additional $32k?

i don’t recall saying it was livable, right? Luckily this one went over your head and notintheface.
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You missed my point. $50 per month isn't nearly enough for a coach who is doing 2 sessions per week, 90 minutes per session, week after week after week after week.
 
$50 per kid per month is more than what they are making now if they weren’t doing so in the past. It’s not about it being enough it’s about finding a solution to help them stay afloat while clubs weather the storm.
 
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