USWNT

oh canada

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You keep bringing up Hinkle and Civil Rights. What Civil Rights does she want to deny the lesbians on the USWNT?
None. She'd love to play for the USWNT, just not during that one or two games when they wear the rainbow jersey. I still have not read any good reason for US Soccer mandating their players wear a Pride jersey. Can you imagine your soccer club mandating that the kids will wear rainbow socks in honor of gays and lesbians? They wouldn't...and not because they're bigots, but because they have the common sense to recognize that they are in the business of soccer, not community organizing. My argument is not a philosophical one, it is pure business/sport.

All you need to know about Ashlyn Harris is her choice for another jersey promotion by Nike/US Soccer....remember when all the players chose to honor an iconic woman on the back of their jersey? Guess who Ashlyn Harris chose....wait for it....no, not Sally Ride, nor JK Rowling, nor Mother Teresa, nor Maya Angelou...other players understandably chose these powerful women. Ashlyn Harris' thoughtful and inspiring choice?

Cardi B. brrr brrr
 
None. She'd love to play for the USWNT, just not during that one or two games when they wear the rainbow jersey. I still have not read any good reason for US Soccer mandating their players wear a Pride jersey. Can you imagine your soccer club mandating that the kids will wear rainbow socks in honor of gays and lesbians? They wouldn't...and not because they're bigots, but because they have the common sense to recognize that they are in the business of soccer, not community organizing. My argument is not a philosophical one, it is pure business/sport.

All you need to know about Ashlyn Harris is her choice for another jersey promotion by Nike/US Soccer....remember when all the players chose to honor an iconic woman on the back of their jersey? Guess who Ashlyn Harris chose....wait for it....no, not Sally Ride, nor JK Rowling, nor Mother Teresa, nor Maya Angelou...other players understandably chose these powerful women. Ashlyn Harris' thoughtful and inspiring choice?

Cardi B. brrr brrr
Well put... and major props to Canada. My son just told me that Instagram is taking away the like feature in Canada. They felt it was creating too much pressure on young people to be "liked". I guess it's a trial for a few months then they plan on rolling it out across the board.

I just hope Dom doesn't follow in their footsteps...
 
You always insert yourself into other people's conversations. I am returning the favor. Are you really so dense as to not understand what he was saying (@Dos Equis is quite eloquent) or are you just doing your usual? I think that it is the latter. You can't be against an anti-bullying agenda and I am pretty sure that you are smart enough to understand how he was comparing it to the rainbow jersey thing.

That is my direct response to you for the month so you are going to have to wait until the college soccer season to ask me any more circular questions that I might choose to answer.

Have a great day!
Is it that time already?
 

oh canada

SILVER ELITE
Well put... and major props to Canada. My son just told me that Instagram is taking away the like feature in Canada. They felt it was creating too much pressure on young people to be "liked". I guess it's a trial for a few months then they plan on rolling it out across the board.

I just hope Dom doesn't follow in their footsteps...
pretty sure IG doing that here in US too.
 
None. She'd love to play for the USWNT, just not during that one or two games when they wear the rainbow jersey. I still have not read any good reason for US Soccer mandating their players wear a Pride jersey. Can you imagine your soccer club mandating that the kids will wear rainbow socks in honor of gays and lesbians? They wouldn't...and not because they're bigots, but because they have the common sense to recognize that they are in the business of soccer, not community organizing. My argument is not a philosophical one, it is pure business/sport.

All you need to know about Ashlyn Harris is her choice for another jersey promotion by Nike/US Soccer....remember when all the players chose to honor an iconic woman on the back of their jersey? Guess who Ashlyn Harris chose....wait for it....no, not Sally Ride, nor JK Rowling, nor Mother Teresa, nor Maya Angelou...other players understandably chose these powerful women. Ashlyn Harris' thoughtful and inspiring choice?

Cardi B. brrr brrr
I had to look Cardi B up! :confused:
 

End of the Line

SILVER ELITE
...I still have not read any good reason for US Soccer mandating their players wear a Pride jersey. Can you imagine your soccer club mandating that the kids will wear rainbow socks in honor of gays and lesbians? They wouldn't...and not because they're bigots, but because they have the common sense to recognize that they are in the business of soccer, not community organizing. My argument is not a philosophical one, it is pure business/sport....
Support for equality and civil rights are very good reasons. In fact, they're the best possible reasons. You just don't think they are, but that does not surprise me.

Can you imagine if MLB required everyone to support civil rights (such as making everyone wear Jackie Robinson's number one day every year)? They wouldn't...and not because they're bigots, but because they have the common sense to recognize that they are in the business of baseball, not community organizing.

If your argument were really a pure business/sport argument, you would concede that rainbow jerseys are a great idea, just as #42 jerseys are a great idea for MLB. Rainbow jerseys make USSF money, they raise awareness for civil rights, and they have the added benefit of bringing the cockroaches out of the shadows. Few homophobes buy tickets to WNT games and only one wants to play for the team anyway, and USSF obviously has no need for them. USSF loses nothing by virtue of the rainbow jerseys. In fact, the more angry a handful of people like you get, the more attention USSF receives, the more rainbow jerseys it sells, and the more lesbians play the sport knowing they are welcome. Keep up the good work.
 

oh canada

SILVER ELITE
Support for equality and civil rights are very good reasons. In fact, they're the best possible reasons. You just don't think they are, but that does not surprise me.

Can you imagine if MLB required everyone to support civil rights (such as making everyone wear Jackie Robinson's number one day every year)? They wouldn't...and not because they're bigots, but because they have the common sense to recognize that they are in the business of baseball, not community organizing.

If your argument were really a pure business/sport argument, you would concede that rainbow jerseys are a great idea, just as #42 jerseys are a great idea for MLB. Rainbow jerseys make USSF money, they raise awareness for civil rights, and they have the added benefit of bringing the cockroaches out of the shadows. Few homophobes buy tickets to WNT games and only one wants to play for the team anyway, and USSF obviously has no need for them. USSF loses nothing by virtue of the rainbow jerseys. In fact, the more angry a handful of people like you get, the more attention USSF receives, the more rainbow jerseys it sells, and the more lesbians play the sport knowing they are welcome. Keep up the good work.
Educators like myself have a weakness. We always feel like we can help a person learn no matter how dense and no matter how many times they demonstrate the incapacity to learn. It's still summer break and I am feeling charitable today, so I am falling victim to this weakness with EOL.

For the past year, in post after post, EOL demonstrates that he/she just hasn't learned the skills of analytical and logical reasoning. It's too bad really because he writes pretty well. So, kudos to his grammar teachers. But something happened during those reasoning lessons. Not sure. It's possible that just might be a weakness. We all have them as referenced above. Or, maybe he's still in high school and hasn't got there yet?

Alas, I will try to help him learn one last time with his latest example:

EOL flawed argument #1: Jackie Robinson jerseys a parallel to rainbow jerseys.
The simple mind thinks, oh, MLB had everyone wear jerseys different than their customary duds, so that is the same as USWNT mandating players wear rainbow numbers. And they both involve numbers, so that's a good argument. And they both involve classes of people who have been/are discriminated against.

Well, no. A deeper understanding of analysis and logic demonstrates that these two scenarios are apples and oranges. For one, JR was a baseball player. MLB is the league he played in. MLB at the time he played did not allow black players (not only African Americans). Therefore, JR became the first black baseball player in MLB. I could go on...but MLB is celebrating one of its own players, for a historical event that actually happened, and collaterally implies that it should have never happened. It's not just a jersey day but all MLB ballparks have a #42 in the outfield and I believe no player can wear the number on any team beyond that day. That is a message, not a movement. If USWNT wants all players to wear #20 because of barriers that Abby Wambach broke as a gay player, then you have apples to apples. Make sense? That wouldn't happen of course because AW in no way can be compared to JR. Last, one of the biggest flaws of making that comparison is that MLB is a private league. They are free to do whatever they want as long as it is legal. USWNT is not the NWSL nor the Portland Thorns. USA Baseball is not the one issuing the #42 mandate for its players. If they did, then the argument would be more relevant.

That's my last lesson for this student. "Can lead a horse to water..." With that, I will retire to my preferred summer drink of Molson in the backyard shade. Enjoy the day everyone!
 
Educators like myself have a weakness. We always feel like we can help a person learn no matter how dense and no matter how many times they demonstrate the incapacity to learn. It's still summer break and I am feeling charitable today, so I am falling victim to this weakness with EOL.

For the past year, in post after post, EOL demonstrates that he/she just hasn't learned the skills of analytical and logical reasoning. It's too bad really because he writes pretty well. So, kudos to his grammar teachers. But something happened during those reasoning lessons. Not sure. It's possible that just might be a weakness. We all have them as referenced above. Or, maybe he's still in high school and hasn't got there yet?

Alas, I will try to help him learn one last time with his latest example:

EOL flawed argument #1: Jackie Robinson jerseys a parallel to rainbow jerseys.
The simple mind thinks, oh, MLB had everyone wear jerseys different than their customary duds, so that is the same as USWNT mandating players wear rainbow numbers. And they both involve numbers, so that's a good argument. And they both involve classes of people who have been/are discriminated against.

Well, no. A deeper understanding of analysis and logic demonstrates that these two scenarios are apples and oranges. For one, JR was a baseball player. MLB is the league he played in. MLB at the time he played did not allow black players (not only African Americans). Therefore, JR became the first black baseball player in MLB. I could go on...but MLB is celebrating one of its own players, for a historical event that actually happened, and collaterally implies that it should have never happened. It's not just a jersey day but all MLB ballparks have a #42 in the outfield and I believe no player can wear the number on any team beyond that day. That is a message, not a movement. If USWNT wants all players to wear #20 because of barriers that Abby Wambach broke as a gay player, then you have apples to apples. Make sense? That wouldn't happen of course because AW in no way can be compared to JR. Last, one of the biggest flaws of making that comparison is that MLB is a private league. They are free to do whatever they want as long as it is legal. USWNT is not the NWSL nor the Portland Thorns. USA Baseball is not the one issuing the #42 mandate for its players. If they did, then the argument would be more relevant.

That's my last lesson for this student. "Can lead a horse to water..." With that, I will retire to my preferred summer drink of Molson in the backyard shade. Enjoy the day everyone!
EOL thinks linear. Anyone else’s perception that does not travel within their range will always be wrong. No reason to engage them because it’s not a reciprocal dialogue.
 
Educators like myself have a weakness. We always feel like we can help a person learn no matter how dense and no matter how many times they demonstrate the incapacity to learn. It's still summer break and I am feeling charitable today, so I am falling victim to this weakness with EOL.

For the past year, in post after post, EOL demonstrates that he/she just hasn't learned the skills of analytical and logical reasoning. It's too bad really because he writes pretty well. So, kudos to his grammar teachers. But something happened during those reasoning lessons. Not sure. It's possible that just might be a weakness. We all have them as referenced above. Or, maybe he's still in high school and hasn't got there yet?

Alas, I will try to help him learn one last time with his latest example:

EOL flawed argument #1: Jackie Robinson jerseys a parallel to rainbow jerseys.
The simple mind thinks, oh, MLB had everyone wear jerseys different than their customary duds, so that is the same as USWNT mandating players wear rainbow numbers. And they both involve numbers, so that's a good argument. And they both involve classes of people who have been/are discriminated against.

Well, no. A deeper understanding of analysis and logic demonstrates that these two scenarios are apples and oranges. For one, JR was a baseball player. MLB is the league he played in. MLB at the time he played did not allow black players (not only African Americans). Therefore, JR became the first black baseball player in MLB. I could go on...but MLB is celebrating one of its own players, for a historical event that actually happened, and collaterally implies that it should have never happened. It's not just a jersey day but all MLB ballparks have a #42 in the outfield and I believe no player can wear the number on any team beyond that day. That is a message, not a movement. If USWNT wants all players to wear #20 because of barriers that Abby Wambach broke as a gay player, then you have apples to apples. Make sense? That wouldn't happen of course because AW in no way can be compared to JR. Last, one of the biggest flaws of making that comparison is that MLB is a private league. They are free to do whatever they want as long as it is legal. USWNT is not the NWSL nor the Portland Thorns. USA Baseball is not the one issuing the #42 mandate for its players. If they did, then the argument would be more relevant.

That's my last lesson for this student. "Can lead a horse to water..." With that, I will retire to my preferred summer drink of Molson in the backyard shade. Enjoy the day everyone!
I had a Golden Retriever named Molson...

Your post is spot on...
 
Educators like myself have a weakness. We always feel like we can help a person learn no matter how dense and no matter how many times they demonstrate the incapacity to learn. It's still summer break and I am feeling charitable today, so I am falling victim to this weakness with EOL.

For the past year, in post after post, EOL demonstrates that he/she just hasn't learned the skills of analytical and logical reasoning. It's too bad really because he writes pretty well. So, kudos to his grammar teachers. But something happened during those reasoning lessons. Not sure. It's possible that just might be a weakness. We all have them as referenced above. Or, maybe he's still in high school and hasn't got there yet?

Alas, I will try to help him learn one last time with his latest example:

EOL flawed argument #1: Jackie Robinson jerseys a parallel to rainbow jerseys.
The simple mind thinks, oh, MLB had everyone wear jerseys different than their customary duds, so that is the same as USWNT mandating players wear rainbow numbers. And they both involve numbers, so that's a good argument. And they both involve classes of people who have been/are discriminated against.

Well, no. A deeper understanding of analysis and logic demonstrates that these two scenarios are apples and oranges. For one, JR was a baseball player. MLB is the league he played in. MLB at the time he played did not allow black players (not only African Americans). Therefore, JR became the first black baseball player in MLB. I could go on...but MLB is celebrating one of its own players, for a historical event that actually happened, and collaterally implies that it should have never happened. It's not just a jersey day but all MLB ballparks have a #42 in the outfield and I believe no player can wear the number on any team beyond that day. That is a message, not a movement. If USWNT wants all players to wear #20 because of barriers that Abby Wambach broke as a gay player, then you have apples to apples. Make sense? That wouldn't happen of course because AW in no way can be compared to JR. Last, one of the biggest flaws of making that comparison is that MLB is a private league. They are free to do whatever they want as long as it is legal. USWNT is not the NWSL nor the Portland Thorns. USA Baseball is not the one issuing the #42 mandate for its players. If they did, then the argument would be more relevant.

That's my last lesson for this student. "Can lead a horse to water..." With that, I will retire to my preferred summer drink of Molson in the backyard shade. Enjoy the day everyone!

Great post! UCLA has the #42 retired for every sport. Jackie Robinson was a letterman in an incredible 4 sports there!
 

oh canada

SILVER ELITE
I can appreciate a Molson Export -- reminds me of the late '80's and early '90's, drinking my way around the Circuit Gilles Villeneuve, watching Ayrton Senna battle Alain Prost.
Montreal is a beautiful city, glad you can reminisce. Always surprised how few Americans have gone north of the border. I get it during winter, but Vancouver, Calgary, Toronto, Ottawa, Montreal etc. are beautiful cities when thawed. A lot easier and cheaper than Europe too. Same time zones, etc. From SoCal, Vancouver is an easy and very worthwhile trip. A lot of Yankees saw the city at its best during the WWC 4 years ago.
 

CaliKlines

Well-Known Member
Montreal is a beautiful city, glad you can reminisce. Always surprised how few Americans have gone north of the border. I get it during winter, but Vancouver, Calgary, Toronto, Ottawa, Montreal etc. are beautiful cities when thawed. A lot easier and cheaper than Europe too. Same time zones, etc. From SoCal, Vancouver is an easy and very worthwhile trip. A lot of Yankees saw the city at its best during the WWC 4 years ago.
Quebec City is a great place to spend part of the Christmas holidays! Le Massif for skiing is a short bus ride away. And it is all relatively inexpensive. Plus, Molson Canadian is stronger in the Great White North, eh?
 
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