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espola said:
There are plenty of good reasons to be opposed to Trump without making up fables.
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Its also interesting how all the liberals are touting traditional conservative sources as "proof" of something.
Its true.
Both party establishments, and their respective compliant publications have joined forces to beat Trump.
 
Bernie Sanders said:
Is Hillary, or Bill " get me some coffee" Clinton racist? What about Joe "Indian accent" Biden?
See how silly that is?
You can call anyone a racist, and back it up if you want to.
Very few are actually racist.
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You didn't answer the question. We know racism exists, so when do you actually recognize it and call it when you see it?

From what I'm seeing from you so far, I don't think you would ever actually admit someone is a racist, because what, that might make you feel bad about voting for them?
 
Wez said:
You didn't answer the question. We know racism exists, so when do you actually recognize it and call it when you see it?

From what I'm seeing from you so far, I don't think you would ever actually admit someone is a racist, because what, that might make you feel bad about voting for them?
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I dont think they are racist.
I dont think Hillary is racist, or Bill.
Have they said racist things or associated with racist people?, sure, who hasnt?
Are they racist, no.

As for me? I dont let racism bother me.
Its not worth my time.
 
Bernie Sanders said:
I dont think they are racist.
I dont think Hillary is racist, or Bill.
Have they said racist things or associated with racist people?, sure, who hasnt?
Are they racist, no.
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So what qualifies as enough evidence for you to actually determine someone is a racist?

I ask because there is a remarkable inability in many people to see and acknowledge racism in our society. I see it most often from right wing friends, but that doesn't mean racism doesn't exist on both sides of the fence, it's just right wing friends seem more oblivious.

So far, it seems like you prefer to think most people aren't racist, so no matter what you see happening with people like Trump, your default narrative is to deny racism when you see it.
 
Wez said:
"With the help of Roger Ailes and Steven Bannon, Trump is running America's first for-profit presidential campaign, fully merging entertainment with politics."

"He may not be a billionaire yet, but he will be one once this is over."
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Hillary Clinton ran the State Department and ties to the Clinton Foundation as a for profit venture, fully merging politics with donations to the Foundation and her net worth.

She may not be a billionaire yet, but she will be one once this over.

What difference does it make?
 
Wez said:
If you were presented with evidence of Trump and Reagan being racists, would you then call them a racist, or would you discount it as a liberal conspiracy?
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If.......Hillary weren't s pathological liar I would vote for her over Trump with a few reservations.
 
Lion Eyes said:
Hillary Clinton ran the State Department and ties to the Clinton Foundation as a for profit venture, fully merging politics with donations to the Foundation and her net worth.

She may not be a billionaire yet, but she will be one once this over.

What difference does it make?
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Did you make up that lie yourself, or are you just passing on the lie as you were told to?
 
espola said:
Did you make up that lie yourself, or are you just passing on the lie as you were told to?
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The first article being from the NYTimes is on the mild side of the story...have someone read them and explain them to you Magoo.
Enjoy.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/10/u...n-foundation-and-state-dept-overlap.html?_r=0

Here's more from ABC News:

A series of newly released State Department emails obtained by ABC News offers fresh insight on direct contact between the Clinton Foundation and Hillary Clinton's inner circle while she was Secretary of State.

The emails -– released as part of a public records lawsuit by conservative group Citizens United and shared exclusively with ABC -- reveal what the group claims is new evidence Foundation allies received special treatment. [Read the emails here.]

In one December 2010 email chain with Clinton's closest aide Huma Abedin, then-top Clinton Foundation official Doug Band offers names for a State Department lunch with Chinese President Hu Jintao scheduled for January 2011.

On the list were three executives from organizations that have donated millions to the Clinton Foundation: Bob McCann, the then-president of wealth management at UBS; Dr. Judith Rodin, the president of the Rockefeller Foundation; and Hikmet Ersek, the CEO of Western Union.

According to the Foundation website, the UBS Wealth Management USA has contributed between $500,001 and $1 million to the Foundation; the Rockefeller Foundation has given between $10 million and $25 million, while Western Union and its foundation has contributed between $1 million and $5 million.

Nearly two weeks later, Band followed up on email, specifically requesting Rodin be seated at Vice President Joe Biden’s table. "I'll ask," Abedin replied.

read more:
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/clin...te-lunch-invitation-special/story?id=41695275
 
Lion Eyes said:
The first article being from the NYTimes is on the mild side of the story...have someone read them and explain them to you Magoo.
Enjoy.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/10/u...n-foundation-and-state-dept-overlap.html?_r=0

Here's more from ABC News:

A series of newly released State Department emails obtained by ABC News offers fresh insight on direct contact between the Clinton Foundation and Hillary Clinton's inner circle while she was Secretary of State.

The emails -– released as part of a public records lawsuit by conservative group Citizens United and shared exclusively with ABC -- reveal what the group claims is new evidence Foundation allies received special treatment. [Read the emails here.]

In one December 2010 email chain with Clinton's closest aide Huma Abedin, then-top Clinton Foundation official Doug Band offers names for a State Department lunch with Chinese President Hu Jintao scheduled for January 2011.

On the list were three executives from organizations that have donated millions to the Clinton Foundation: Bob McCann, the then-president of wealth management at UBS; Dr. Judith Rodin, the president of the Rockefeller Foundation; and Hikmet Ersek, the CEO of Western Union.

According to the Foundation website, the UBS Wealth Management USA has contributed between $500,001 and $1 million to the Foundation; the Rockefeller Foundation has given between $10 million and $25 million, while Western Union and its foundation has contributed between $1 million and $5 million.

Nearly two weeks later, Band followed up on email, specifically requesting Rodin be seated at Vice President Joe Biden’s table. "I'll ask," Abedin replied.

read more:
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/clin...te-lunch-invitation-special/story?id=41695275
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Where is the "for-profit venture"?
 
Wez said:
You didn't answer the question. We know racism exists, so when do you actually recognize it and call it when you see it?

From what I'm seeing from you so far, I don't think you would ever actually admit someone is a racist, because what, that might make you feel bad about voting for them?
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Racism is like pornography. It's difficult to describe, but you know it when you see it.
 
espola said:
Where is the "for-profit venture"?
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This is why I suggested you have someone not only read the article to you, but to also explain them...

"In one December 2010 email chain with Clinton's closest aide Huma Abedin, then-top Clinton Foundation official Doug Band offers names for a State Department lunch with Chinese President Hu Jintao scheduled for January 2011.

On the list were three executives from organizations that have donated millions to the Clinton Foundation: Bob McCann, the then-president of wealth management at UBS; Dr. Judith Rodin, the president of the Rockefeller Foundation; and Hikmet Ersek, the CEO of Western Union.

According to the Foundation website, the UBS Wealth Management USA has contributed between $500,001 and $1 million to the Foundation; the Rockefeller Foundation has given between $10 million and $25 million, while Western Union and its foundation has contributed between $1 million and $5 million."
 
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Wez said:
So what qualifies as enough evidence for you to actually determine someone is a racist?

I ask because there is a remarkable inability in many people to see and acknowledge racism in our society. I see it most often from right wing friends, but that doesn't mean racism doesn't exist on both sides of the fence, it's just right wing friends seem more oblivious.

So far, it seems like you prefer to think most people aren't racist, so no matter what you see happening with people like Trump, your default narrative is to deny racism when you see it.
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If you really want to know what I think, its this,..
You people spend an awful lot of energy trying to find "racism" but you always forget to look in your own house.
If everyone just concentrates on keeping their own house in order, we all get along much better.
Its like Gladys Kravitz peering out her window, and pointing, and gawking, and gossiping about everyone out there, but deep down she's just a lonely and bitter old woman.
 
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