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tenacious said:
Great post. And I agree. But I also think there is a lot of radicalism on the left too. Which is why I'm pushing for a boring, traditional democrat. Let's get things cooled down and then we can start figuring out how to make things work better. If there is one thing in common across the board, from right to left it's that people want change. Let's just be smart about it and not let the crazy people take over.
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Who is the leader of the House of Representatives?
 
tenacious said:
Is Steve King that much worse then Trump? Again, people who get up on stage and saying they are going to punish those people and give you their stuff has proven to be an effective way for radicals to gain power.

I don't like Trump. I don't like Steve King. Nor do I like the radicals on the left who make populist arguments either.
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King, like t are only symptoms of the underlying disease, hate born by ignorance. Again there are many things, glitches in the system and the like, that we should thank t for exposing, the hate and rotting corpse of the American dream being another one.
 
Hüsker Dü said:
I for one thought facts and common sense would prevail, I was dead wrong.

Possibly a case of winning the battle yet losing the war. The gerrymandering was a bit clandestine and the effects of which were under estimated. In 2010 there was a backlash like 2018 but more intense due to the emotions that were elicited by the t-party and deep racial mistrust in our nation. All they had to do was show Obama's face to way more people than I ever realized and they voted Republican, some for the first time ever. Even traveling in South and seeing how the racial mistrust is DEEP and still thought facts and common sense would prevail, nope. The open racialism that is now prevalent in here as microcosm of what is now shown on national TV and accepted in the world at large (white nationalist dream come true) is frightening.
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Who do you think elected Obama?
Not black people you dumb fuck.
43% of whites voted for Obama vs 96% of black voted for Obama vs 66% of Hispanics voted for Obama.
Who are the fucking racists?
You dick.
 
tenacious said:
Is Steve King that much worse then Trump? Again, people who get up on stage and saying they are going to punish those people and give you their stuff has proven to be an effective way for radicals to gain power.

I don't like Trump. I don't like Steve King. Nor do I like the radicals on the left who make populist arguments either.
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Always the balancing act. Remember when Obama reminded folks they did not personally build the roads and infrastructure that helped them be successful and half the US went crazy? We are a long way away from cutting off heads in guillotines and commandeering everyone's wealth. That from a guy who backs heavy social programs and does not mind paying high taxes.
 
Andy Dukes said:
Always the balancing act. Remember when Obama reminded folks they did not personally build the roads and infrastructure that helped them be successful and half the US went crazy? We are a long way away from cutting off heads in guillotines and commandeering everyone's wealth. That from a guy who backs heavy social programs and does not mind paying high taxes.
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I think this is a straw man argument. No one I know disagrees on building roads or paying for a safety net. Where the disagreement starts is when folks start talking about capitalism being irredeemable to cheering throngs. And that it's time the government start giving them other peoples stuff with abandon.

But I can understand how if I was looking to be an apologist I would keep pretending this is about tax dollars paying for roads.
 
tenacious said:
I think this is a straw man argument. No one I know disagrees on building roads or paying for a safety net. Where the disagreement starts is when folks start talking about capitalism being irredeemable to cheering throngs. And that it's time the government start giving them other peoples stuff with abandon.

But I can understand how if I was looking to be an apologist I would keep pretending this is about tax dollars paying for roads.
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Describe a throng? Warren called herself a capitalist. While, I might consider myself a social democrat like Bill De Blasio or even Bernie, I believe we all understand the need for economies to function in mostly a work and risk for reward system. De Blasio was not demanding Amazon pay extra taxes to come to New York.
 
Andy Dukes said:
Yes. Do you think that AOC could win the Speakership?
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No... I'd like to see a lasting coalition of dems that will make actual lasting progress on things like fixing roads, affordable healthcare, restoring dignity and civility to government. I do not believe this is possible with progressives, so we should cut the cord and look to attract moderate conservatives who are chaffing under Trump.

Did you see that video of Chelsea Clinton being harassed at a vigil for victims of that shooter down in New Zealand? It's impossible to build a coalition with people like that...
https://people.com/politics/chelsea-clinton-confronted-students-new-zealand-vigil-islamophobia/amp/
 
Andy Dukes said:
Describe a throng? Warren called herself a capitalist. While, I might consider myself a social democrat like Bill De Blasio or even Bernie, I believe we all understand the need for economies to function in mostly a work and risk for reward system. De Blasio was not demanding Amazon pay extra taxes to come to New York.
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lol
I already posted the video... go watch it and tell me what you think I mean by throng.
 
Andy Dukes said:
Describe a throng? Warren called herself a capitalist. While, I might consider myself a social democrat like Bill De Blasio or even Bernie, I believe we all understand the need for economies to function in mostly a work and risk for reward system. De Blasio was not demanding Amazon pay extra taxes to come to New York.
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You say that because you don't live and NYC and see how the social democrats are failing at leadership. Did you hear about De Blasio's wife not being able to account for almost $1 billion in city spending? Oy 'vey.

Honestly it's being here in NYC and seeing how crazy the social democrats are, is what really has turned my against them.

Where has $850m gone? Bill de Blasio's wife can't account for staggering amount of taxpayer money that the NY Mayor gave her for mental health project
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...account-850m-given-mental-health-project.html

Bill de Blasio's wife Chirlane McCray cannot explain where $850million given to the mental health program she champions has gone, according to reports.

In the three years it has been running, organizers at ThriveNYC have largely failed to keep records of the initiative's achievements - and data that has been collected shows it lagging well behind targets.

Despite that, the program has been granted an even bigger budget going forward and is now on track to spend $1billion over five years.
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tenacious said:
No... I'd like to see a lasting coalition of dems that will make actual lasting progress on things like fixing roads, affordable healthcare, restoring dignity and civility to government. I do not believe this is possible with progressives, so we should cut the cord and look to attract moderate conservatives who are chaffing under Trump.

Did you see that video of Chelsea Clinton being harassed at a vigil for victims of that shooter down in New Zealand? It's impossible to build a coalition with people like that...
https://people.com/politics/chelsea-clinton-confronted-students-new-zealand-vigil-islamophobia/amp/
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You have to pick your battle. You want to see Schultz win, I see nothing there. We have a long way to go to get to the election. It is hard to build dignity when 40% of the people want a lying Pussy Grabber to continue being our President. Where Lindsey Graham goes from calling Trump a disaster to licking his bunghole. But the majority of the House Dems running committees are doing the multitasking they were elected to do. no Benghazi style marathons of nothingness. I can't be a Democrat because of a couple key fundamental issues but the OH FUCK versus aw shit was very clear to me. Just like today. There is no centrists because we have gerrymandered them away. Both sides have dues to pay on that one.
 
Here's another one... de Blasio project gone bad.

$773 Million Later, de Blasio Ends Signature Initiative to Improve Failing Schools
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/26/nyregion/renewal-initiative-de-blasio.html

Mayor Bill de Blasio is canceling one of his signature education initiatives, acknowledging that despite spending $773 million he was unable to turn around many long-struggling public schools in three years after decades of previous interventions had also failed.

The end of the initiative, called Renewal, is a blow to Mr. de Blasio, who had hoped that success would bolster his effort to build a national reputation for innovative policies. Urban educators around the country had also looked to Renewal as a model for improving underperforming schools in historically troubled districts, rather than closing them.

Instead, the program has been plagued by bureaucratic confusion and uneven academic results since Mr. de Blasio began it in 2014. Though some of the nearly 100 low-performing public schools have shown better results, many have fallen short of the improvements that Mr. de Blasio predicted. The Renewal label itself caused parents to seek other options, causing enrollment in some schools to plummet.

The New York Times reported in October that Mr. de Blasio was preparing to close Renewal, and that city officials had known some Renewal schools were likely to fail but had left most of them open anyway. As a result, officials essentially kept thousands of children in classrooms where they had little if any chance of thriving.

The question of how to fix broken schools is a great unknown in education, particularly in big city school districts.

While some small cities like Lawrence, Mass., and Camden, N.J., have achieved some success with different strategies, no large school system has cracked the code, despite decades of often costly attempts.
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Let's not forget the subways or that another billion was spent on public housing buildings that are now being condemned.

New York City today: Slow subways, slummy projects, soaring rents
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...s-subways-mayor-deblasio-bloomberg/777568002/


NEW YORK — Five years ago this seemed the very model of a modern major city, with its bike lanes, pedestrian plazas and smokeless bars. Outgoing Mayor Michael Bloomberg even started a pro-bono consulting firm, staffed by veterans of his administration, to tell cities around the world how to solve their problems.

''We have heard this huge demand and need from other cities to learn from New York,'' Amanda Burden, city planning director, told The New York Times. ''New York is the epitome that cities look to of how to get things done.''

These days, however, other cities look at New York and see three great systems in crisis – mass transit, public housing and rent control. Their dysfunction both undercuts Bloomberg's image of a can-do city and afflicts the average New Yorker that his successor, Bill de Blasio, claims to champion.

This summer, New York has endless waits on sweltering, packed subway platforms, where frustrated riders occasionally slug it out; public housing projects contaminated with lead paint, mold and the smell of urine; and housing prices that drive the poor into the street and almost everyone else farther and farther from fabulous Manhattan.

The July cover story in Harper’s Magazine decries New York’s “systematic, wholesale transformation into a reserve of the obscenely wealthy … the world’s largest gated community.’’ The article’s title: “The Death of a Once Great City.’’

After Bloomberg’s we-know-best hubris, and de Blasio’s “tale of two cities’’ campaign rhetoric, it’s been disturbing to learn how city Housing Authority maintenance workers routinely faked paperwork and deceived inspectors; how subway track signals intended to make travel safer have bogged it down; how big landlords are allowed to routinely cheat and bully renters out of their legal rights.
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tenacious said:
You say that because you don't live and NYC and see how the social democrats are failing at leadership. Did you hear about De Blasio's wife not being able to account for almost $1 billion in city spending? Oy 'vey.

Honestly it's being here in NYC and seeing how crazy the social democrats are, is what really has turned my against them.
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And you learned of these failings from the newspaper. By the way, I doubt someone sold the Narcon kits or stole them. I think it is horrendous for .5-.8% of the budget not to be accounted for. People should demand better. But you choose to live there. That is your choice.
 
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