Surf ENCL vs. Slammers Koge

[MacDre]

The most simple explanation for this is that USSF did not (and still does not) view your daughter as a unicorn worthy of such special treatment.

No shame in that. Just about every other player in the country has had the same reckoning.

If it bothers her (and not just her dad), I recommend you guys simply put that energy into using it as motivation to prove them wrong. Easiest way to do that is through the established process. Go jump in and dominate.

Stop playing pal. We are talking soccer not rocket science. There are 4 elements to soccer development. The only element USSF can ding my kid on is tactics because she can’t find a team capable of playing 2-touch fast enough to push her development further.

 

[what-happened]

. They do not have 6 players in that age group at YNT level or close, if they did, they would be a dominant team. In fact, their best player plays up on that team and is not going. Mind you, the best player on the other team mentioned also plays up and is not going. It seems to me that some clubs with good contacts get their players in the regional pools. I expect some objective viewing at that point separates the wheat from the chafe.

IMV, clubs should have nothing to do with any YNT talent selection - US soccer can't afford the scouts though, so some clubs, IMV, game it to promote themselves, their brand and to encourage players to stay.

I don't think the process is as objective as your words might suggest, at least from what I can see in AZ. One club here seems to get the largest number of regional ID looks. They are not dominant nor are their teams. For U15 they have 6 players (I think) going, with the next best represented being 3. The latter team beat them 4-0 last season. They do not have 6 players in that age group at YNT level or close, if they did, they would be a dominant team. In fact, their best player plays up on that team and is not going. Mind you, the best player on the other team mentioned also plays up and is not going. It seems to me that some clubs with good contacts get their players in the regional pools. I expect some objective viewing at that point separates the wheat from the chafe.

IMV, clubs should have nothing to do with any YNT talent selection - US soccer can't afford the scouts though, so some clubs, IMV, game it to promote themselves, their brand and to encourage players to stay.

I certainly don't want to take this on a tangent from a tanget and shift the conversation to AZ. The game you mentioned was the first game of the season during covid. They played two games, the second game was a tie and a much better representation of the talent on both teams. Both teams are fun to watch and have developed at a rapid pace. It would be fun to watch them play another match.

There are two age groups where one club has dominated in head to head, with one loss in 3 years. Now that they've gone their separate ways in leagues, we won't be able to see them play against each other.

To your point, the "best" players on both of these teams are younger were not called I don't see it as a big deal, they have time and are defintely on US Soccer's radar. Those parents won't fret and shouldn't.

YNT selection is defintely weaponized in AZ - I'm sure as everywhere else. You have to filter through the nonsense and see what players from what coaches get consistent call ups.

For reference, my oldest has aged out, now playing somewhere else and my youngest will not get a call up - I don' thave a dog in the fight but fun to watch old friends get fired up by these types of things.

 

[timmyh]

Stop playing pal. We are talking soccer not rocket science. There are 4 elements to soccer development. The only element USSF can ding my kid on is tactics because she can’t find a team capable of playing 2-touch fast enough to push her development further.

Well, while you are in Texas, you should check out the Solar 07s. From evidence in the ECNL Playoffs over the summer, they are chock full of players who can play as you describe. Probably would give the U15 YNT (once put together) a quality game.

 

[LASTMAN14]

I don’t have a problem with OM. I think she’s a boss. I don’t have a problem with her being labeled a unicorn. My complaint is that USSF dropped the ball in giving my player the same support as OM.

Clarify a few things for me. At one point I was following what you were debating but it’s getting very confusing.
If your DD is not exposed to a letter league, not playing for any team (because of the play) nor appears to really be on US Soccers radar. Then how is she not getting the same level of attention as OM? OM has been highly advertised by her father, trying to become a brand by Nike (prompted by her father), and as mentioned part of a letter league playing up. How could US Soccer not overlook her? And, when would they have had the opportunity to see your DD play?

 

[whatithink]

I certainly don't want to take this on a tangent from a tanget and shift the conversation to AZ. The game you mentioned was the first game of the season during covid. They played two games, the second game was a tie and a much better representation of the talent on both teams. Both teams are fun to watch and have developed at a rapid pace. It would be fun to watch them play another match.

There are two age groups where one club has dominated in head to head, with one loss in 3 years. Now that they've gone their separate ways in leagues, we won't be able to see them play against each other.

To your point, the "best" players on both of these teams are younger were not called I don't see it as a big deal, they have time and are defintely on US Soccer's radar. Those parents won't fret and shouldn't.

YNT selection is defintely weaponized in AZ - I'm sure as everywhere else. You have to filter through the nonsense and see what players from what coaches get consistent call ups.

For reference, my oldest has aged out, now playing somewhere else and my youngest will not get a call up - I don' thave a dog in the fight but fun to watch old friends get fired up by these types of things.

No dog in it either and yeah, its weaponized in AZ as there isn't 9 potential YNT players on those teams, excluding their respective best players!

 

[soccersc]

Stop playing pal. We are talking soccer not rocket science. There are 4 elements to soccer development. The only element USSF can ding my kid on is tactics because she can’t find a team capable of playing 2-touch fast enough to push her development further.

wait…please clarify.Are you saying, they said, she isn’t good enough because she isn’t good tactically or because she can’t play two touch? Big difference

 

[Kicker4Life]

I don’t have a problem with OM. I think she’s a boss. I don’t have a problem with her being labeled a unicorn. My complaint is that USSF dropped the ball in giving my player the same support as OM.

What support is that? Do you think she is the first to play up 2 years on a YNT? Well, she’s not. GT and SJ are 2 that come to mind off the top of my head.

 

[MacDre]

wait…please clarify.Are you saying, they said, she isn’t good enough because she isn’t good tactically or because she can’t play two touch? Big difference

I am saying that if one looks at the 4 elements of development, there is no legitimate reason for the disparity in treatment that my player is experiencing. No one has said that she is not good tactically or can’t play 2-touch.

I think my player is being held back in her tactical development because too many players in the letter leagues are not comfortable on the ball.

 

[MacDre]

Clarify a few things for me. At one point I was following what you were debating but it’s getting very confusing.
If your DD is not exposed to a letter league, not playing for any team (because of the play) nor appears to really be on US Soccers radar. Then how is she not getting the same level of attention as OM? OM has been highly advertised by her father, trying to become a brand by Nike (prompted by her father), and as mentioned part of a letter league playing up. How could US Soccer not overlook her? And, when would they have had the opportunity to see your DD play?

I have been in contact with scouting since the beginning of 2019.

 

[STX]

Well, while you are in Texas, you should check out the Solar 07s. From evidence in the ECNL Playoffs over the summer, they are chock full of players who can play as you describe. Probably would give the U15 YNT (once put together) a quality game.

If she can stand out in that group, then she certainly would be a GNT starter.

MacDre, if you think your kid is at that level, she must be a baller. There's usually only a couple of those per age group. Point us to some video of her team in action.

 

[MacDre]

What support is that? Do you think she is the first to play up 2 years on a YNT? Well, she’s not. GT and SJ are 2 that come to mind off the top of my head.

YNT support. My player was identified at Cal when she was 10. OM was mysteriously placed on the YNT at 11 and UNC, Nike, and Portland followed because of YNT endorsement.

My kid also distinguished herself at FSU and Xolo’s without a YNT endorsement.

 

[MacDre]

If she can stand out in that group, then she certainly would be a GNT starter.

MacDre, if you think your kid is at that level, she must be a baller. There's usually only a couple of those per age group. Point us to some video of her team in action.

I have not said anything about my kids ability. I will refer you to the Cal and FSU coach that told me she was a special player. If your Spanish is good, you can contact Xolo’s. If you are smart, you will be able to deduce that she is good if top coaches invariably endorse her-that is top coaches that frequently bench YNT players on their team.

 

[STX]

I have not said anything about my kids ability. I will refer you to the Cal and FSU coach that told me she was a special player. If your Spanish is good, you can contact Xolo’s. If you are smart, you will be able to deduce that she is good if top coaches invariably endorse her-that is top coaches that frequently bench YNT players on their team.

No video of any games at all?
That's a little disappointing.

 

[MacDre]

No video of any games at all?
That's a little disappointing.

Nah, it was really never that serious to me. I prefer to watch my players games. I never watched her games that I recorded in kindergarten so I figured why bother.

Besides who makes a highlight film for a kid my players age. If my kid receives equal support and development, I suspect that you’ll see her soon enough.

 

[MARsSPEED]

Stop playing pal. We are talking soccer not rocket science. There are 4 elements to soccer development. The only element USSF can ding my kid on is tactics because she can’t find a team capable of playing 2-touch fast enough to push her development further.

OK, now you lost me. I think you could possibly be the “it’s every other player and coaches fault my DD did not make US ID Camp”.

What is even more upsetting is you seem like a great individual outside of soccer. I can tell you are intelligent and have morals. I hope you figure it out outside of litigation. I’m with the other posters here. If your DD is that good, do everything you can to put a spotlight on her.

How far of a commute is your closest ECNL club?

Oh, and if you feel the system has in fact done you wrong, sure, go for it. I hope you have the time, money, and extremely thick skin. You will be David in your battle.

 

[soccersc]

I have not said anything about my kids ability. I will refer you to the Cal and FSU coach that told me she was a special player. If your Spanish is good, you can contact Xolo’s. If you are smart, you will be able to deduce that she is good if top coaches invariably endorse her-that is top coaches that frequently bench YNT players on their team.

To be fair, it would be beneficial to all on this board if you could post a video. If coaches have told you how special she is then it would help all of us know what too level coaches are really looking for when endorsing players. Speaking for myself, it would really help me in seeing what coaches think is special. If she really is at that level then there has to be some game footage somewhere on YouTube, there are cameras at all games these days!

please post, that would be a great resource to reflect on

 

[MARsSPEED]

I have not said anything about my kids ability. I will refer you to the Cal and FSU coach that told me she was a special player. If your Spanish is good, you can contact Xolo’s. If you are smart, you will be able to deduce that she is good if top coaches invariably endorse her-that is top coaches that frequently bench YNT players on their team.

Does she have D1 offers anywhere?

 

[MacDre]

OK, now you lost me. I think you could possibly be the “it’s every other player and coaches fault my DD did not make US ID Camp”.

What is even more upsetting is you seem like a great individual outside of soccer. I can tell you are intelligent and have morals. I hope you figure it out outside of litigation. I’m with the other posters here. If your DD is that good, do everything you can to put a spotlight on her.

How far of a commute is your closest ECNL club?

Oh, and if you feel the system has in fact done you wrong, sure, go for it. I hope you have the time, money, and extremely thick skin. You will be David in your battle.

She’s already set for a letter league team. I have taken @Kicker4Life advice and I am going with an honest club of coaches that have supported my player in various ways since she was five. But, the record needs to be set straight first. I also think the physical development that XC provides will help my player play a full 90 plus stoppage next year at the upcoming U17 World Cup in India.

I am not complaining about any coach. If you like, we can discuss the 4 elements of development and we can compare and contrast my player to any unicorn that you are aware of. I’m ready when you are pal.

 

[STX]

Nah, it was really never that serious to me. I prefer to watch my players games. I never watched her games that I recorded in kindergarten so I figured why bother.

Besides who makes a highlight film for a kid my players age. If my kid receives equal support and development, I suspect that you’ll see her soon enough.

Who you kidding. This is all obviously quite serious for you, but that is beside the point.

Highlight tapes are silly, but your daughter has never played for a team that filmed their games? Just point us to one of those.

I am stunned a pro club like Xolos wouldn’t film games for study afterward. That is an important aspect of tactical development.

 

[MacDre]

Who you kidding. This is all obviously quite serious for you, but that is beside the point.

Highlight tapes are silly, but your daughter has never played for a team that filmed their games? Just point us to one of those.

I am stunned a pro club like Xolos wouldn’t film games for study afterward. That is an important aspect of tactical development.

Funny. Film review and tactics for 10-12 year olds.