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[soccersc]

Does white privilege exist?

By asking the question you are creating the problem! If we continue to tell that to our kids there is "white privledge, we are incentivizing mediocrity.... because what is the point of trying to excel if millions of non-whites are doomed from the start?

And by the way economic status is a far more important determinant...money is the factor in privilege, not color! But if you want to look for the easy way out, and try and find excuses keep going down that same road you are traveling and you will get there fast! Your family, your friends and your environment all play huge roles in lifting you up or tearing you down. Even the nation in which you are born is a bigger contributing factor than skin color...so you have privilege too, much more privilege than most of the world....but of course you'd rather come up with the poor me excuse. Not good for you kid, dude! Don't set them up for failure before their journey already begins!

 

[MacDre]

By asking the question you are creating the problem! If we continue to tell that to our kids there is "white privledge, we are incentivizing mediocrity.... because what is the point of trying to excel if millions of non-whites are doomed from the start?

And by the way economic status is a far more important determinant...money is the factor in privilege, not color! But if you want to look for the easy way out, and try and find excuses keep going down that same road you are traveling and you will get there fast! Your family, your friends and your environment all play huge roles in lifting you up or tearing you down. Even the nation in which you are born is a bigger contributing factor than skin color...so you have privilege too, much more privilege than most of the world....but of course you'd rather come up with the poor me excuse. Not good for you kid, dude! Don't set them up for failure before their journey already begins!

You are hella funny dude!

 

[timmyh]

Does white privilege exist?

Yes, it exists.

But I don't think it has anything at all to do with why your daughter didn't start for the U17 GNT at age 11. Or why she isn't entitled do do so now, for that matter.

 

[MacDre]

Yes, it exists.

But I don't think it has anything at all to do with why your daughter didn't start for the U17 GNT at age 11. Or why she isn't entitled do do so now, for that matter.

Why do you keep mischaracterizing my words. My kid ain’t 11 she’s almost 14 and will be ready and almost 15 in time for the upcoming U17 World Cup in India. Maybe she ain’t good enough. I guess we’ll see soon enough.

 

[soccersc]

You are hella funny dude!

Deflect....okay. So you have a sense of entitlement and you deflect truth when you have trouble seeing it for yourself. You're a solid dude!

 

[MacDre]

Deflect....okay. So you have a sense of entitlement and you deflect truth when you have trouble seeing it for yourself. You're a solid dude!

If my player earned something under the rules, it is not entitlement. I would call it transparency and accountability. Do you know the definition of entitlement?

 

[whatithink]

For me, the bottom line is that the people doing the evaluating are those paid by US Soccer to do the evaluating and coaching and they are incentivized to choose wisely. That is pretty much the same model as everywhere else in the world.

They have set up a process to select national teams, and it is largely the same as most everywhere else in the world. It involves scouting and input from trusted colleagues that generally lead to invites to regional training sessions. Those that stand out, get chosen to move onward to more selective sessions, culminating in building a team for Youth World Cups.

We are a big country. I don't see an obviously better way to do it. They surely get choices wrong sometimes, but that is the nature of things everywhere. I don't see any evidence, at all, of any obvious bias or crookedness in the process.

I think you're very unlikely to fundamentally change things, and I am unconvinced you actually have a better way of doing things, anyway. I would just recommend you jump into the well-established process and, if your kid is as good as you say she is, I imagine those in charge will be quite happy you did and that things will work out quite well.

I don't think the process is as objective as your words might suggest, at least from what I can see in AZ. One club here seems to get the largest number of regional ID looks. They are not dominant nor are their teams. For U15 they have 6 players (I think) going, with the next best represented being 3. The latter team beat them 4-0 last season. They do not have 6 players in that age group at YNT level or close, if they did, they would be a dominant team. In fact, their best player plays up on that team and is not going. Mind you, the best player on the other team mentioned also plays up and is not going. It seems to me that some clubs with good contacts get their players in the regional pools. I expect some objective viewing at that point separates the wheat from the chafe.

IMV, clubs should have nothing to do with any YNT talent selection - US soccer can't afford the scouts though, so some clubs, IMV, game it to promote themselves, their brand and to encourage players to stay.

 

[crush]

IMV, clubs should have nothing to do with any YNT talent selection - US soccer can't afford the scouts though, so some clubs, IMV, game it to promote themselves, their brand and to encourage players to stay.

Yes, yes, yes and more yes for you bro. I told one of those ((retired I guess and no longer roaming the fields)) so called Docs years ago that his ego was so full of shit that if he lied one more time to me and my dd I would lose it. He worked the Training Center too which really pissed me off. Dude offered my kid 5 candy bars for another future YNT players mom's phone number. I am not making this shit up and that was the camel that broke my back. Then he even asked if we would be willing to help car pool the future YNT player. I went wild cat on this guy and we both got hurt I guess. You have to find another way to select the rest from the best. Again, we all know who the top top players are.

 

[MacDre]

I don't think the process is as objective as your words might suggest, at least from what I can see in AZ. One club here seems to get the largest number of regional ID looks. They are not dominant nor are their teams. For U15 they have 6 players (I think) going, with the next best represented being 3. The latter team beat them 4-0 last season. They do not have 6 players in that age group at YNT level or close, if they did, they would be a dominant team. In fact, their best player plays up on that team and is not going. Mind you, the best player on the other team mentioned also plays up and is not going. It seems to me that some clubs with good contacts get their players in the regional pools. I expect some objective viewing at that point separates the wheat from the chafe.

IMV, clubs should have nothing to do with any YNT talent selection - US soccer can't afford the scouts though, so some clubs, IMV, game it to promote themselves, their brand and to encourage players to stay.

Thanks for sharing! Anyone with similar stories, please post or PM me.

 

[timmyh]

Why do you keep mischaracterizing my words. My kid ain’t 11 she’s almost 14 and will be ready and almost 15 in time for the upcoming U17 World Cup in India. Maybe she ain’t good enough. I guess we’ll see soon enough.

I'm confused then.

I thought this whole sidebar was about how you were upset that your daughter didn't get a GNT call up when she was 11. Fast forward a few years, and now she is age-eligible to participate in the standard selection process laid out by the YNT staff/scouts. In the meantime, several high profile coaches have told you your daughter is a unicorn and should already be on the U17 GNT, but you are disillusioned and exiting her from the standard selection process and perhaps pursuing legal options.

Am I not following along properly?

 

[MARsSPEED]

@MacDre So, now that I am passed my morning grumpiness and laziness to read all 12 pages, I thought this may help. I understand our complaint about USSF not following it's own rules however, I don't know if OM playing up at U15 DA got her through the loophole? To be a top player on a U15 DA program at age 11 certainly does give Unicorn status. Oh, and btw, I do in fact hope your daughter succeeds in her pursuits.

 

[MacDre]

I'm confused then.

I thought this whole sidebar was about how you were upset that your daughter didn't get a GNT call up when she was 11. Fast forward a few years, and now she is age-eligible to participate in the standard selection process laid out by the YNT staff/scouts. In the meantime, several high profile coaches have told you your daughter is a unicorn and should already be on the U17 GNT, but you are disillusioned and exiting her from the standard selection process and perhaps pursuing legal options.

Am I not following along properly?

No, I am saying that my kid has been harmed because she has missed the same type of development opportunities afforded to the 2005 player starting at 11 up until now and before we move forward we need to set the record straight.

 

[MacDre]

I'm confused then.

I thought this whole sidebar was about how you were upset that your daughter didn't get a GNT call up when she was 11. Fast forward a few years, and now she is age-eligible to participate in the standard selection process laid out by the YNT staff/scouts. In the meantime, several high profile coaches have told you your daughter is a unicorn and should already be on the U17 GNT, but you are disillusioned and exiting her from the standard selection process and perhaps pursuing legal options.

Am I not following along properly?

No, I am saying that my kid has been harmed because she has missed the same type of development opportunities afforded to the 2005 player starting at 11 up until now and before we move forward we need to set the record straight.

 

[MacDre]

@MacDre So, now that I am passed my morning grumpiness and laziness to read all 12 pages, I thought this may help. I understand our complaint about USSF not following it's own rules however, I don't know if OM playing up at U15 DA got her through the loophole? To be a top player on a U15 DA program at age 11 certainly does give Unicorn status. Oh, and btw, I do in fact hope your daughter succeeds in her pursuits.

I don’t care if my kids fails as failure is part of the maturation process. I do care however that my kid has not been given equal opportunity to succeed.

 

[MARsSPEED]

I don’t care if my kids fails as failure is part of the maturation process. I do care however that my kid has not been given equal opportunity to succeed.

See, and this is where we disagree. Your kid had been given the same opportunity. Did your kid tryout for the Boys' DA team at age 10 and make it? Did she try out for the U15 Girls DA team when she was 11? OM was put in position through networking and her own performance on the field.

Look, trust me when I say I think it's crap that rich families can get a step because of their monies. It actually really pisses me off. But I also realize that any family with money, Black, White, Latino, or Asian, can do the same thing that OMs family has done. But, then I look at a character like Ronaldo, who came from the one of the poorest areas in Portugal, and became the world's most successful soccer player. That there, trumps everything else.

 

[MacDre]

@MacDre So, now that I am passed my morning grumpiness and laziness to read all 12 pages, I thought this may help. I understand our complaint about USSF not following it's own rules however, I don't know if OM playing up at U15 DA got her through the loophole? To be a top player on a U15 DA program at age 11 certainly does give Unicorn status. Oh, and btw, I do in fact hope your daughter succeeds in her pursuits.

I don’t have a problem with OM. I think she’s a boss. I don’t have a problem with her being labeled a unicorn. My complaint is that USSF dropped the ball in giving my player the same support as OM.

 

[MacDre]

See, and this is where we disagree. Your kid had been given the same opportunity. Did your kid tryout for the Boys' DA team at age 10 and make it? Did she try out for the U15 Girls DA team when she was 11? OM was put in position through networking and her own performance on the field.

Look, trust me when I say I think it's crap that rich families can get a step because of their monies. It actually really pisses me off. But I also realize that any family with money, Black, White, Latino, or Asian, can do the same thing that OMs family has done. But, then I look at a character like Ronaldo, who came from the one of the poorest areas in Portugal, and became the world's most successful soccer player. That there, trumps everything else.

Dude, we are moving forward fasho. But, we also need to set the record straight. Funny that you mentioned Ronaldo as I am encouraged by the recent article in the Athletic about Ronaldo. Specifically, about how his camp complains about everything. Did you know that Ronald had to set the record straight regarding a incident similar to my complaint with Gareth Bale?

 

[MacDre]

Here’s the Ronaldo article for anyone interested.

The talent, the work ethic and the ego: what's it like to manage Cristiano Ronaldo?

Getting the best out of Manchester United and Portugal forward Ronaldo can be a delicate balancing act, as those who've managed him explain

theathletic.com

 

[MARsSPEED]

I don’t have a problem with OM. I think she’s a boss. I don’t have a problem with her being labeled a unicorn. My complaint is that USSF dropped the ball in giving my player the same support as OM.

Ok, I don’t know the complete story obviously so I’ll give you that. The support OM had though consisted of the family funds and a stay at home parent. Neither are the fault of USSF. If OM played for U15 DA at age 11, that would allow her to be identified by USSF. But again, I don’t know your story.

 

[timmyh]

I don’t have a problem with OM. I think she’s a boss. I don’t have a problem with her being labeled a unicorn. My complaint is that USSF dropped the ball in giving my player the same support as OM.

The most simple explanation for this is that USSF did not (and still does not) view your daughter as a unicorn worthy of such special treatment.

No shame in that. Just about every other player in the country has had the same reckoning.

If it bothers her (and not just her dad), I recommend you guys simply put that energy into using it as motivation to prove them wrong. Easiest way to do that is through the established process. Go jump in and dominate.