Seven stages of Covid.. keep playing and find out how far you will go!

[Soccermaverick]

I get it, you are one of those. I just hope your day job isn't in healthcare.

I know patients like you ….always complaining… demanding favors…lying to the front desk telling them you don’t have Covid when you know you do.. asking for disability… yep I know you.

 

[watfly]

It would be nice if you broke down who out of 650k died, at what age, and how many pre existing conditions.

The rest who died? By and large people with serious health issues.

To expound on those thoughts, this is from the CDC:

"For over 5% of these deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned on the death certificate. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 4.0 additional conditions or causes per death."

 

[Kicker4Life]

Typical deflection… not my chiropractor… that’s a good one!

What you call deflection I know is a reality. I should have known that when faced with alternative facts your type would turn to slinging insults and/or denial.

PS - My Chiropractor is also a dear friend whom I’ve know for 20 years…my bad for only for only referring to her as my Chiro.

Just keep your fear porn addiction to yourself.

 

[Soccermaverick]

You know what Logan's Run and the 7 Stages of Covid have in common? They're both fiction.

Breathe deep and find out. What age is acceptable?

 

[watfly]

Breathe deep and find out. What age is acceptable?

Been breathing deep and living life as normal as possible for the last 18 months.

 

[MyDaughtersAKeeper]

Get vaccinated. If you choose not to, here’s what to expect if you are hospitalized for a serious case of COVID-19.

Stage 1. You’ve had debilitating symptoms for a few days, but now it is so hard to breathe that you come to the emergency room. Your oxygen saturation level tells us you need help, a supplemental flow of 1 to 4 liters of oxygen per minute. We admit you and start you on antivirals, steroids, anticoagulants or monoclonal antibodies. You’ll spend several days in the hospital feeling run-down, but if we can wean you off the oxygen, you’ll get discharged. You survive.

Stage 2. It becomes harder and harder for you to breathe. “Like drowning,” many patients describe the feeling. The bronchodilator treatments we give you provide little relief. Your oxygen requirements increase significantly, from 4 liters to 15 liters to 40 liters per minute. Little things, like relieving yourself or sitting up in bed, become too difficult for you to do on your own. Your oxygen saturation rapidly declines when you move about. We transfer you to the intensive care unit.



Stage 3. You’re exhausted from hyperventilating to satisfy your body’s demand for air. We put you on noninvasive, “positive pressure” ventilation — a big, bulky face mask that must be Velcro’d tightly around your face so the machine can efficiently push pressure into your lungs to pop them open so you get enough of the oxygen it delivers.



Stage 4. Your breathing becomes even more labored. We can tell you’re severely fatigued. An arterial blood draw confirms that the oxygen content in your blood is critically low. We prepare to intubate you. If you’re able to and if there’s time, we will suggest that you call your loved ones. This might be the last time they’ll hear your voice.

We connect you to a ventilator. You are sedated and paralyzed, fed through a feeding tube, hooked to a Foley catheter and a rectal tube. We turn your limp body regularly, so you don’t develop pressure ulcers — bed sores. We bathe you and keep you clean. We flip you onto your stomach to allow for better oxygenation. We will try experimental therapeutics.



Stage 5. Some patients survive Stage 4. Unfortunately, your oxygen levels and overall condition have not improved after several days on the ventilator. Your COVID-infested lungs need assistance and time to heal, something that an ECMO machine, which bypasses your lungs and oxygenates your blood, can provide. But alas, our community hospital doesn’t have that capability.

If you’re stable enough, you will get transferred to another hospital for that therapy. Otherwise, we’ll continue treating you as best we can. We’re understaffed and overwhelmed, but we’ll always give you the best care we can.

Stage 6. The pressure required to open your lungs is so high that air can leak into your chest cavity, so we insert tubes to clear it out. Your kidneys fail to filter the byproducts from the drugs we continuously give you. Despite diuretics, your entire body swells from fluid retention, and you require dialysis to help with your renal function.

The long hospital stay and your depressed immune system make you susceptible to infections. A chest X-ray shows fluid accumulating in your lung sacs. A blood clot may show up, too. We can’t prevent these complications at this point; we treat them as they present.



If your blood pressure drops critically, we will administer vasopressors to bring it up, but your heart may stop anyway. After several rounds of CPR, we’ll get your pulse and circulation back. But soon, your family will need to make a difficult decision.

Stage 7: After several meetings with the palliative care team, your family decides to withdraw care. We extubate you, turning off the breathing machinery. We set up a final FaceTime call with your loved ones. As we work in your room, we hear crying and loving goodbyes. We cry, too, and we hold your hand until your last natural breath.

I’ve been at this for 17 months now. It doesn’t get easier. My pandemic stories rarely end well.



As a person with child hood asthma.. I know what this is… if you think you can out smart this virus you are wrong.. get vaccinated.. and to those who have had or think it’s not a big deal… remember chicken pox’s comes back as shingles.. what will Covid 19 come back as… No One knows. Keep playing doctor and find out.

Either you are Karen Gallardo or you copy and pasted her words (Karen Gallardo: On the front lines, here’s what the 7 stages of severe COVID-19 look like | The Spokesman-Review ) Give credit where credit is due.

I also have asthma. I am vaccinated as are my kids. I wear a mask indoors as I do not know the vaccination status of others and I don't want to be responsible for passing the virus to someone else (in the event I have it and do not know it). The people that don't believe in the vaccine aren't going to be moved by the words you posted.

PS I don't care what anyone else thinks about COVID, masks or the vaccine. We make decisions for us and leave others to make decisions for themselves.

 

[Desert Hound]

I can tell you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling.

I have had quite a bit of schooling. Much of it dealing with data and how to interpret data.

You apparently work more on emotion (see your original post) and/or don't understand the difference in risk factors between those in the high risk categories, and quite frankly the overwhelming majority of people.

 

[what-happened]

I know patients like you ….always complaining… demanding favors…lying to the front desk telling them you don’t have Covid when you know you do.. asking for disability… yep I know you.

is that you Karen? from ventura?

Shame on your for talking about your patients this way. Is this your way of confirming you are a healthcare professional?

 

[what-happened]

Either you are Karen Gallardo or you copy and pasted her words (Karen Gallardo: On the front lines, here’s what the 7 stages of severe COVID-19 look like | The Spokesman-Review ) Give credit where credit is due.

I also have asthma. I am vaccinated as are my kids. I wear a mask indoors as I do not know the vaccination status of others and I don't want to be responsible for passing the virus to someone else (in the event I have it and do not know it). The people that don't believe in the vaccine aren't going to be moved by the words you posted.

PS I don't care what anyone else thinks about COVID, masks or the vaccine. We make decisions for us and leave others to make decisions for themselves.

This has been circulating for a few days nows. Respiratory therapists have a difficult job. Doesn't mean they get free license to fear monger. And to your point, these words hardly influence anyone to do anything. Public health messaging has been bad and frustrates many who are working hard.

I think this thread is a dunner but i'm sure Karen from Ventura will continue.

 

[Soccermaverick]

Yo

Either you are Karen Gallardo or you copy and pasted her words (Karen Gallardo: On the front lines, here’s what the 7 stages of severe COVID-19 look like | The Spokesman-Review ) Give credit where credit is due.

I also have asthma. I am vaccinated as are my kids. I wear a mask indoors as I do not know the vaccination status of others and I don't want to be responsible for passing the virus to someone else (in the event I have it and do not know it). The people that don't believe in the vaccine aren't going to be moved by the words you posted.

PS I don't care what anyone else thinks about COVID, masks or the vaccine. We make decisions for us and leave others to make decisions for themselves.

If one person pays attention that’s a win.. I am glad you read the original op Ed… The opportunists and deflection artist use anti mask and anti vaccine to spread their message….Their false consciousness has done great harm to our country.

.As someone who used a inhaler early on in life I will ramp up and educate wherever I can…

I said it before… I am see a lot of wheeling and dealing with this virus… we need to get this thing under control before it’s outside the vaccine.

BTW my vaccine dates were Jan 8 and Feb 4… the booster can’t come soon enough! So don’t think I don’t have a vested interest!

 

[what-happened]

Breathe deep and find out. What age is acceptable?

no age should be acceptable, to include onset of a heartbeat......

 

[Soccermaverick]

Plan B is available … make it free.. oh we don’t want women controlling their bodies!

no age should be acceptable, to include onset of a heartbeat......

 

[crush]

is that you Karen? from ventura?

Shame on your for talking about your patients this way. Is this your way of confirming you are a healthcare professional?

Now you know why I eat only veggies, fruits, salads and nuts. Stay away from meat or Nurse Karen will be waiting to serve you certain death. Triple pay bonus going on. Stay the fuck out of hospitals these days if you can. The good and kind hearted non vaxer nurses have left and now Karen is waiting to take good care of you.

 

[watfly]

Exaggerating the risks of Covid are no more helpful than underestimating the risks of Covid. But somehow over exaggerating the risks (without consideration of the resulting costs of doing so) is OK if it saves one Covid life?

 

[Grace T.]

we need to get this thing under control before it’s outside the vaccine.

BTW my vaccine dates were Jan 8 and Feb 4… the booster can’t come soon enough! So don’t think I don’t have a vested interest!

You do realize this statement is contradiction? First, it depends what you mean by "control". We know the delta can break through both natural and vaccine immunity to create cases so it is possible (if immunity for either declines over time) that herd immunity is an illusion which can never be achieved.

Second, even if we managed to "control" it here in the United States, there are plenty of other states which won't complete vaccination until 2023! That's plenty of time for new variants to emerge that evade, in whole or in part, prior natural or vaccine immunity.

Third, yet you say boosters can't come soon enough. Every booster you use is a vaccine that can't go to the third world, which gives plenty of more reservoir for more variants to emerge.

Fourth, even if we were to miraculously vaccinated every citizen of Haiti, Afghanistan, and the Amazon rainforest, this thing has a substantial zoonotic reservoir already and is increasingly crossing into other species (it's crossed from human to dog now and there's some speculation it might have crossed into mice/rats).

 

[watfly]

You do realize this statement is contradiction? First, it depends what you mean by "control". We know the delta can break through both natural and vaccine immunity to create cases so it is possible (if immunity for either declines over time) that herd immunity is an illusion which can never be achieved.

Second, even if we managed to "control" it here in the United States, there are plenty of other states which won't complete vaccination until 2023! That's plenty of time for new variants to emerge that evade, in whole or in part, prior natural or vaccine immunity.

Third, yet you say boosters can't come soon enough. Every booster you use is a vaccine that can't go to the third world, which gives plenty of more reservoir for more variants to emerge.

Fourth, even if we were to miraculously vaccinated every citizen of Haiti, Afghanistan, and the Amazon rainforest, this thing has a substantial zoonotic reservoir already and is increasingly crossing into other species (it's crossed from human to dog now and there's some speculation it might have crossed into mice/rats).

Where does this mindset come from that we can eliminate or control the virus...is it just the arrogance of so-called experts? I'm all for mitigation but I'm not sure how successful our mitigation measures have even been.

 

[Soccermaverick]

Exaggerating the risks of Covid are no more helpful than underestimating the risks of Covid. But somehow over exaggerating the risks (without consideration of the resulting costs of doing so) is OK if it saves

The risk is real…people believe they are managing the cost as long as it doesn’t affect them…opportunists using false consciousness to tell you the risk. Using only personal experience as justification why Covid is nothing more than a bad cold.

How did we get here. They groom people in eight steps, and you can substitute politics for religion or for personal relationships. It’s what they do, it’s who they are.

That’s because Antimask anti vaccine are the abused in an abusive relationship. How they groom people in eight steps, and you can substitute politics for religion or for personal relationships. It’s what they do, it’s who they are. Let me know if this has been your life...

1 - You've been told that nobody else understands you like they do. Yep I wrote it Fox News

2 - Everyone else gets badmouthed. It's just the two of you literally against the entire world. And they'll do it so much that things that aren't epithets get used as words to hate everyone else by. Yep I wrote it again Fox News.

3 - They'll tell you that, if you left them, all other relationships are just the same as the one you're in (even though you can see other people online talking about how what you're in is a bad relationship and all you have to do is leave them). “Both sides are the same but I’m better” - eventually, you don’t know up from down in what constitutes a healthy or a toxic relationship.

4 - You're told what to cut out of your life. Music, interests, TV shows, certain movies, even frothy coffee gets badmouthed and cut out because "you don't want to be a 'latte drinker' now do you?" (there's one of those things I mentioned in #2, using things that aren't epithets as one to control you).

5 - They take your money, claim they'll be great with it, and then spend it on their friends. They'll give you crumbs once in a while. Maybe every four years they'll treat you to a little something nice (that's worth a fraction of what they gave to their friends).

6 - every problem gets kicked down the road. The problem crops up in the New Year but it wasn't even mentioned in January. "It's going to go away" in February, and anyone that mentions it is just saying fake stuff, baby. Still nothing done in March, but any mention of it is "you're just finding faults with me". Then when April comes and it's clear what the storm looks like, they blame everyone else for saying it wasn't going to be a big deal. Sounds familiar, huh.

7 - like in any abusive relationship, you're beaten down. You repeat the words in the way they taught you. You repeat the answers. You repeat the words you're told are insults. Even though you know of situations where you've come out worse for the way the relationship is, you defend the abuser. First with a fake air of calm, then with a seething rage. And when people offer you a way out, you go right back to the abuse.

8 - the relationship is so twisted, you so believe everything you're told about what's real and what's not, they will literally put you in situations that could kill you. And you say you're doing it willingly, proudly, but the fact is you're a shell of the idealistic person you used to be. You just got in with the wrong crowd, but it's too late to get out now because people might think less of you. Which is all part of what you were told in #1. Only they understand you...

False consciousness at work.. Covid denial at work

 

[kickingandscreaming]

The risk is real…people believe they are managing the cost as long as it doesn’t affect them…opportunists using false consciousness to tell you the risk. Using only personal experience as justification why Covid is nothing more than a bad cold.

How did we get here. They groom people in eight steps, and you can substitute politics for religion or for personal relationships. It’s what they do, it’s who they are.

That’s because Antimask anti vaccine are the abused in an abusive relationship. How they groom people in eight steps, and you can substitute politics for religion or for personal relationships. It’s what they do, it’s who they are. Let me know if this has been your life...

1 - You've been told that nobody else understands you like they do. Yep I wrote it Fox News

2 - Everyone else gets badmouthed. It's just the two of you literally against the entire world. And they'll do it so much that things that aren't epithets get used as words to hate everyone else by. Yep I wrote it again Fox News.

3 - They'll tell you that, if you left them, all other relationships are just the same as the one you're in (even though you can see other people online talking about how what you're in is a bad relationship and all you have to do is leave them). “Both sides are the same but I’m better” - eventually, you don’t know up from down in what constitutes a healthy or a toxic relationship.

4 - You're told what to cut out of your life. Music, interests, TV shows, certain movies, even frothy coffee gets badmouthed and cut out because "you don't want to be a 'latte drinker' now do you?" (there's one of those things I mentioned in #2, using things that aren't epithets as one to control you).

5 - They take your money, claim they'll be great with it, and then spend it on their friends. They'll give you crumbs once in a while. Maybe every four years they'll treat you to a little something nice (that's worth a fraction of what they gave to their friends).

6 - every problem gets kicked down the road. The problem crops up in the New Year but it wasn't even mentioned in January. "It's going to go away" in February, and anyone that mentions it is just saying fake stuff, baby. Still nothing done in March, but any mention of it is "you're just finding faults with me". Then when April comes and it's clear what the storm looks like, they blame everyone else for saying it wasn't going to be a big deal. Sounds familiar, huh.

7 - like in any abusive relationship, you're beaten down. You repeat the words in the way they taught you. You repeat the answers. You repeat the words you're told are insults. Even though you know of situations where you've come out worse for the way the relationship is, you defend the abuser. First with a fake air of calm, then with a seething rage. And when people offer you a way out, you go right back to the abuse.

8 - the relationship is so twisted, you so believe everything you're told about what's real and what's not, they will literally put you in situations that could kill you. And you say you're doing it willingly, proudly, but the fact is you're a shell of the idealistic person you used to be. You just got in with the wrong crowd, but it's too late to get out now because people might think less of you. Which is all part of what you were told in #1. Only they understand you...

False consciousness at work.. Covid denial at work

... EOTL at work

 

[watfly]

The risk is real…people believe they are managing the cost as long as it doesn’t affect them…opportunists using false consciousness to tell you the risk. Using only personal experience as justification why Covid is nothing more than a bad cold.

How did we get here. They groom people in eight steps, and you can substitute politics for religion or for personal relationships. It’s what they do, it’s who they are.

That’s because Antimask anti vaccine are the abused in an abusive relationship. How they groom people in eight steps, and you can substitute politics for religion or for personal relationships. It’s what they do, it’s who they are. Let me know if this has been your life...

1 - You've been told that nobody else understands you like they do. Yep I wrote it Fox News

2 - Everyone else gets badmouthed. It's just the two of you literally against the entire world. And they'll do it so much that things that aren't epithets get used as words to hate everyone else by. Yep I wrote it again Fox News.

3 - They'll tell you that, if you left them, all other relationships are just the same as the one you're in (even though you can see other people online talking about how what you're in is a bad relationship and all you have to do is leave them). “Both sides are the same but I’m better” - eventually, you don’t know up from down in what constitutes a healthy or a toxic relationship.

4 - You're told what to cut out of your life. Music, interests, TV shows, certain movies, even frothy coffee gets badmouthed and cut out because "you don't want to be a 'latte drinker' now do you?" (there's one of those things I mentioned in #2, using things that aren't epithets as one to control you).

5 - They take your money, claim they'll be great with it, and then spend it on their friends. They'll give you crumbs once in a while. Maybe every four years they'll treat you to a little something nice (that's worth a fraction of what they gave to their friends).

6 - every problem gets kicked down the road. The problem crops up in the New Year but it wasn't even mentioned in January. "It's going to go away" in February, and anyone that mentions it is just saying fake stuff, baby. Still nothing done in March, but any mention of it is "you're just finding faults with me". Then when April comes and it's clear what the storm looks like, they blame everyone else for saying it wasn't going to be a big deal. Sounds familiar, huh.

7 - like in any abusive relationship, you're beaten down. You repeat the words in the way they taught you. You repeat the answers. You repeat the words you're told are insults. Even though you know of situations where you've come out worse for the way the relationship is, you defend the abuser. First with a fake air of calm, then with a seething rage. And when people offer you a way out, you go right back to the abuse.

8 - the relationship is so twisted, you so believe everything you're told about what's real and what's not, they will literally put you in situations that could kill you. And you say you're doing it willingly, proudly, but the fact is you're a shell of the idealistic person you used to be. You just got in with the wrong crowd, but it's too late to get out now because people might think less of you. Which is all part of what you were told in #1. Only they understand you...

False consciousness at work.. Covid denial at work

While I really have no clue what you're talking about, you seem to be a prisoner of two camps, monolithic thinking compounded by Covid myopia. Covid is serious, hence why my family is vaccinated, but let's not kill a mosquito with dynamite.

 

[Kicker4Life]

The risk is real…people believe they are managing the cost as long as it doesn’t affect them…opportunists using false consciousness to tell you the risk. Using only personal experience as justification why Covid is nothing more than a bad cold.

How did we get here. They groom people in eight steps, and you can substitute politics for religion or for personal relationships. It’s what they do, it’s who they are.

That’s because Antimask anti vaccine are the abused in an abusive relationship. How they groom people in eight steps, and you can substitute politics for religion or for personal relationships. It’s what they do, it’s who they are. Let me know if this has been your life...

1 - You've been told that nobody else understands you like they do. Yep I wrote it Fox News

2 - Everyone else gets badmouthed. It's just the two of you literally against the entire world. And they'll do it so much that things that aren't epithets get used as words to hate everyone else by. Yep I wrote it again Fox News.

3 - They'll tell you that, if you left them, all other relationships are just the same as the one you're in (even though you can see other people online talking about how what you're in is a bad relationship and all you have to do is leave them). “Both sides are the same but I’m better” - eventually, you don’t know up from down in what constitutes a healthy or a toxic relationship.

4 - You're told what to cut out of your life. Music, interests, TV shows, certain movies, even frothy coffee gets badmouthed and cut out because "you don't want to be a 'latte drinker' now do you?" (there's one of those things I mentioned in #2, using things that aren't epithets as one to control you).

5 - They take your money, claim they'll be great with it, and then spend it on their friends. They'll give you crumbs once in a while. Maybe every four years they'll treat you to a little something nice (that's worth a fraction of what they gave to their friends).

6 - every problem gets kicked down the road. The problem crops up in the New Year but it wasn't even mentioned in January. "It's going to go away" in February, and anyone that mentions it is just saying fake stuff, baby. Still nothing done in March, but any mention of it is "you're just finding faults with me". Then when April comes and it's clear what the storm looks like, they blame everyone else for saying it wasn't going to be a big deal. Sounds familiar, huh.

7 - like in any abusive relationship, you're beaten down. You repeat the words in the way they taught you. You repeat the answers. You repeat the words you're told are insults. Even though you know of situations where you've come out worse for the way the relationship is, you defend the abuser. First with a fake air of calm, then with a seething rage. And when people offer you a way out, you go right back to the abuse.

8 - the relationship is so twisted, you so believe everything you're told about what's real and what's not, they will literally put you in situations that could kill you. And you say you're doing it willingly, proudly, but the fact is you're a shell of the idealistic person you used to be. You just got in with the wrong crowd, but it's too late to get out now because people might think less of you. Which is all part of what you were told in #1. Only they understand you...

False consciousness at work.. Covid denial at work

Wow…the hypocrisy in this post is fascinating!

It’s like, “Pot meet kettle, kettle meet pot.”