Bruddah IZ
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Coincidentally, April 24th was also when hospitalizations peaked and declined for these age groups. Why did the CDC end their study right at this point, I wonder?
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Coincidentally, April 24th was also when hospitalizations peaked and declined for these age groups. Why did the CDC end their study right at this point, I wonder?
Bruddah IZ
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"'Rising hospitalizations' also misses very important context - hospitalizations were rising in all age groups around this time frame in the spring -- even the most-vaccinated cohort (> 65) -- and at faster rates. Yet they use this study to justify why teen vaccinations are needed."
Bruddah IZ
DA
(TW note: In case you can't see the key in the graph below, the orange line on the top is 65 and over, the blue line is the overall number, and that dashed line at the bottom that barely registers at all is the terrible apocalypse of hospitalizations among the 12-17 age group that is supposed to make their vaccinations urgent.)
"Something in this MMWR study that is worth mentioning, though: almost HALF (172 out of 376) of 'COVID' hospitalizations in this age group were likely there for something other than COVID -- further supporting the claim that child COVID hospitalization numbers are inflated.
"Additionally, of the 172 children admitted to the hospital, but not for COVID, over 44% were there for psychiatric care. This seems like a pretty alarming number, but we'd need to see what the baseline is for psychiatric admissions of adolescents.
"It's becoming increasingly obvious the CDC is not an unbiased, agenda-free scientific organization. Just a month ago it was found they let teachers unions influence school reopening guidance. Their reputation rightfully continues to quickly deteriorate."
"Something in this MMWR study that is worth mentioning, though: almost HALF (172 out of 376) of 'COVID' hospitalizations in this age group were likely there for something other than COVID -- further supporting the claim that child COVID hospitalization numbers are inflated.
"Additionally, of the 172 children admitted to the hospital, but not for COVID, over 44% were there for psychiatric care. This seems like a pretty alarming number, but we'd need to see what the baseline is for psychiatric admissions of adolescents.
"It's becoming increasingly obvious the CDC is not an unbiased, agenda-free scientific organization. Just a month ago it was found they let teachers unions influence school reopening guidance. Their reputation rightfully continues to quickly deteriorate."
Nope. We can't even agree about questions of fact.
Do masks work? Is disease growth exponential? How dangerous is covid? The answers depend on your political party.
It makes it very hard to agree on a policy when you can't even agree about where you are.
Multi Sport
DA
Speaking of teachers unions..
L.A. Teachers Union Will Vote On Endorsing “Boycott, Divest, Sanction” Against Israel
Will teachers unions' one-sided demonization of Israel stoke anti-Semitism at a time when hate crimes against Jewish students is already at an all-time high?
www.forbes.com
Bruddah IZ
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@DadEbolaEOTL4 headed avatar, this how I feel sometimes about the mask bro. However, If you feel I lied to the store clerk about telling him I had my V's, then I want to say sorry to you and to anyone I might have offended. V's=Veggies. I eat my veggies every morning and at night. I love fruit too. I thought I was super super clear with kicking & screaming and everyone else that I would never allow Bill and his drugs near my DNA. I will not wear a mask after June 15th. You have to wear a mask anyways and i always do. I just tested saying, "I had my V's" and they still told me to get a mask on.
So my folks dropped off kiddo today. They noted that traffic seemed really worse in LA than pre pandemic. It's funny but we were having a conversation the other day about it on the way to soccer practice too. Am I just not remembering how bad traffic was prepandemic? Or is it worse because people aren't using public transportation and car pools?
Bruddah IZ
DA
That ought to set Greta on fire.
Look up gasoline sale info. For CA, it is riding, but still a bit below where it was pre-pandemic. ( 4.5 Million gallons per day. )
Fewer commuters, but fewer carpools. The effects offset. Commuters is the bigger effect.
Might actually be above normal this summer if offices open but people still drive kids solo.
kickingandscreaming
PREMIER
Even beyond agreement on facts, there are very wide ranges of risk tolerance. The "risk" that I feel is often missed, is the risk associated with unfettered power. History tells us what happens in those situations. It's why I am reluctant to force individuals to do something I think is right - such as get a COVID vaccine.
TDS and the need to prove orange man bad about everything might very well have turned out to have killed people......
www.medrxiv.org
Observational Study on 255 Mechanically Ventilated Covid Patients at the Beginning of the USA Pandemic
Introduction This observational study looked at 255 COVID19 patients who required invasive mechanical ventilation (IMV) during the first two months of the US pandemic. Through comprehensive, longitudinal evaluation and new consideration of all the data, we were able to better describe and...
www.medrxiv.org
It is easy to overuse the “risk of unfettered power” argument. Once people started using it to compare cloth masks to the Gestapo, I stopped paying any attention to it.
There are legitimate overuse of power arguments. But asking unvaccinated people to avoid high risk locations is not one of them.
So what you’re saying, is if you were at risk you should stay quarantined or sheltered from those that are not at risk? Sounds very familiar.
Starting June 15th in California; if all workers are Vaxed, then no one needs to wear a mask at work, yay team!!!! However, if just one worker ((say someone rebellious like crush or his wife)) says, "no vax" then the whole office has to wear a mask. Guys like dad and Ebola will blame guys like crush and call them all sorts of names and cause division at the work place. How does the employer get this HIPPA medical information?
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kickingandscreaming
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It's also easy to slide down the slippery slope of "forcing people to do what is good for them". It's what the Chinese government does. It's what is done in North Korea. Asking is fine. That's different than forcing. Have they even gotten to the point where they are requiring the armed forces to get the vaccine? Unless your end goal is to truly split the country into two, forcing, excluding, and dividing is not a path to take. Don't let fear drive your decisions. Follow the science. If you are vaccinated, you are good.
That's what the media wants you to believe, that its dependent on your political party. I'm far from convinced of that that is the case. Most people are far more nuanced than that and most normal people don't wear their political party on their sleeve. My friends are pretty much split evenly as to the party they vote for. Even my "liberal" friends were comfortable socializing without mask at our neighborhood outdoor functions during the pandemic. In my old neighborhood, which is overwhelming liberal, that never happened. I believe in part, that they were afraid of straying from the narrative and being marginalized for not wearing a mask. They even wore masks in their Facebook posts.
On the flip side, some of the strictest lock downers I knew were conservative. This was out of fear unrelated to political affiliation.
Yes, you are going to find some divide between parties, but to me that's more philosophical....self reliance vs. government dependency, than political. I think were much better off when we make decisions based on common sense rather than political ideology. Unfortunately, there is a lot of pressure to follow a narrative regardless of party.
I know this is hard to believe for some, but you can wear a mask and still question the effectiveness of masks.
Desert Hound
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Again almost all the coverage of the the Prez was confrontational and took the opposite position of whatever he said.TDS and the need to prove orange man bad about everything might very well have turned out to have killed people......
Observational Study on 255 Mechanically Ventilated Covid Patients at the Beginning of the USA Pandemic
Introduction This observational study looked at 255 COVID19 patients who required invasive mechanical ventilation (IMV) during the first two months of the US pandemic. Through comprehensive, longitudinal evaluation and new consideration of all the data, we were able to better describe and...
HCQ? Crazy talk. Dangerous.
Lab leak? Crazy talk. Dangerous
Him getting advice from Fauci who thought this would go away? T's fault. Apparently shouldn't listen to what is told to him by experts, and so on.
And so on.
We would be much better off if we had an actual non partisan press. The next best thing would be for instance is that when you read the NY Times, you UNDERSTAND that you are essentially reading Dem talking points. And the same goes for almost any other news outlet left or right. Understand they are not non partisan. Unfortunately most of our press leans very far to one side of the spectrum.
Desert Hound
DA
This guy is the guy the NIH and CDC sent to "find out" and report on the Wuhan Lab. He came back with nope...not man made. And the press and everyone else said yep...lab leak is a crazy theory.
thenationalpulse.com
And yet here he is talking about this kind of research some years before.
WATCH: Explosive, Unearthed Video Shows Peter Daszak Describing 'Chinese Colleagues' Developing 'Killer' Coronaviruses. - The National Pulse
EcoHealth Alliance President Peter Daszak – who collaborated with the Wuhan Institute of Virology on research funded by Dr. Anthony Fauci’s National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease – appears to boast about the manipulation of “killer” SARS-like coronaviruses carried out by his...
thenationalpulse.com
And yet here he is talking about this kind of research some years before.