Sounds like you have an agenda. You keep trying to change the parameters of you argument(age group, geography, not counting incoming clubs). Last year, there were playoffs for the 06, 05 and 04 age groups. The Mid Atlantic conference had national championship contenders in the 04 age group(CESA) and 06 age group(VDA). Are these teams bottom feeders too, or do they not meet the narrow parameters you have that keep changing?
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Better stated than how I stated it. There is always going to be resentment regarding a selection process for high profile teams. Elite youth sports are emotionally charged - you can never make everyone happy and someone is always going to fall on their sword if they believe something to be true (which may be true to them). Often times fit is considered over talent, and we are splitting hairs when it comes to talent. ECNL/DA/GA girls are already a small population when compared to their peers across the country. Hats off to every girl who was even selected to attend a YNT ID center.
Being selected one year doesn't guarantee you selection the next year. It's nice to have it on your palmares, but it doesn't guarantee subsequent selection. It's a hard pill to swallow for girls, parents, clubs, coaches if you weren't selected and you think you should have been selected based on physical criteria. Sometimes fit matters. The other school of thought is that there is a conspiracy afoot to keep certain factions out. If that was the case, then shame on the federation.
Mid-Atlantic GA might contend nationally if, as keeps being said on this board, DA/GA players from other regions are moving to ECNL teams. That’s not happening in much of the Mid-Atlantic. That’s truly my only point.
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It truly depends on the age group and region of the club. some clubs have some very strong age groups but not specifically strong across the club as a whole. In socal it seems that many chase exposure more than staying with a proper coach. AZ will be interesting as will TX and NV is to small and the GA club an ECNL club will always remain competitive. NoCal seems to have migration to ECNL from the rumors on the board so that hurts GA as that had some strong GA teams.
Who wins and who loses this battle is a crappy argument because only the kids and parents egos lose. Kids being the only important part of that equation.
Smartest statement ever uttered. Flag/patch protectors cripple youth sports. SOCAL is it's own animal and will be driven by different things. There has not been significant movement of players in Arizona. Prior to the DA going away, there was the normal back and forth - coach left, girls followed. One year one club won, another the other club, business as usual.
Obviously if the GA doesn't hold it's own, we may see significant movement. Club/coach loyalty is important and so far that's been the path for the AZ girls. In all honestly, some clubs want to shed players, it's the business of youth sports.
What you're saying is not the reason for the resentment. The reason for the resentment is that the DA ensured an almost exclusively DA roster for these camps by design. Many deserving ECNL players were not chosen simply because they play in ECNL. USSF was not shy about stating this both publicly and to the girls themselves. THAT is why.
I certainly am not going to question what you were told, heard, observed. My point is that not everyone is going to be satisfied, especially when adults are involved. I'm sure there were many deserving DA players that were not selected. There are likely players outside of the cool letter leagues that should have gone. I've never heard anyone say that the Federation was openly biased against ECNL but that really doesn't mean anything. I know parents in both leagues that had YNT attendees.
If/when the YNT programs is back up and running, they will still not meet everyone's expectations. Maybe this year it will be the GA parents that will feel as if their is a bias. I haven't sat down and done a detailed analysis, and likely never will. The slice of the population that goes to YNTs is small. For many it's a one time event but look great on their resume.
Oh the things we worry about..
You are missing my point and definitely uninformed about what was actually happening (the pissing match between DA & ECNL). Be that as it may, you are not wrong in saying that not everyone is going to be satisfied, but again, that goes without saying. You have to include the "cool letter" leagues because that is where the YNT level players come from. Just so happens they were only taking (with the exception of 1 or 2 and in some cases zero ECNL players) players from DA because that was their strategy in trying to get the best players/coaches/clubs to come to their platform and away from ECNL.
Yet 7 went to England with the u16’s in Feb. although your point is clear and just, let’s not overly skew the data to better fit the narrative.
If you look at the u15 and u14 TC’s the ECNL participation increases (at least in SoCal).
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ECNL players who did not move to GDA were not called into camp because they had to defer to the GDA counterparts. Those words were actually said to players. They were taking only ONE side. Now those YNT who are staying GA, I hope you all don’t experience that BS. I have always said the best should be chosen regardless of patch or lack thereof. As for the U16 YNT just take note of what happened to all the coaches who chose only GDA players.
Dude - relax and please don't tell me that I'm uninformed, hurts my feelings, and feelings matter, haven't you heard? I certainly don't walk the hallways of the Federation or ECNL I clearly agree with you that ECNL/GA/GDA is where the majority of the talent will come from, no brainer. My point is the non "cool" leagues also deserve a shot, and they usually don't get one , but that's the way it works.
But please inform me of the pissing contest, I would love hear all about it.
They were gone before the end of the 2019 calendar year.
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With ECNL players scrubbed from the “list”, next coach just picks up the modified list and keeps the cycle going. As @happy9 says, we can hope that patches don’t matter anymore, and the best will be chosen.
I agree that patches should NEVER matter in this type of process
I am relaxed. I agree with you they should be scouting talent from wherever talent is. Period. They were not (as it has been widely discussed and proved), hence my reaction. There are pages and pages and pages on this forum that discuss the pissing match in detail. I suggest you go through those. It will give you some perspective.
I'm sure outlaw, espy, eolt dude, and all my friends here would love a recount.......lol.........jk!!!! My one year anniversary is coming up too, so maybe a recount is in order. I was asked ((told)) to never post or talk on here or else.....lol!!! Some club hopper I am, huh? Like I said before, life is not fair. It's all water under the bridge. They used The List as "ynt bait" to get the top players to stay GDA or leave ECNL for the new GDA Philosophy. Players were told on numerous occasions you better leave that league for GDA if you wants a sniff into camp. Some players, ((not all)) were going for the list and that is ok. My dd knows she just didn't cut the mustard and basically knows all the others girl players on the GDA were just that much better and she and I are very ok with fact. She will now look to play against America's finest and that will give her and other players who felt snubbed some extra ganas in the tank. That's all one can ask for, right?
Well, hopefully the previous NT coaches were removed, and the next coach actually takes the time to come to their own conclusions. Do they have the resources to do that? I doubt it...
That's a good point. What have they done with the fed scouts? Are they still there, with residual (mis)perceptions?