I mildly disagree with the above. As I understand, "deliberately played" means more than simply guessing where the ball would go, but there is an intentional attempt to control (move the ball in a controlled direction) the ball beyond a simple block/deflection. Sticking ones foot out to stop a shot requires guessing where the ball will leave the stricker's foot and the likely trajectory, which does not constitute a deliberate play of the ball and reset of offside, whereas, attempting to one-touch the ball to a teammate that goes awry and to an offside defender is a deliberate play,
That’s what I said to the ref on Saturday. Exactly this “the rule changed 2 years ago. Deliberate play resets the offside.”While what you are saying is common sense and used to be correct, a rule change 2 years ago means unsuccessful attempted blocks do indeed reset offside as the defender deliberately made a play on the ball. It's not about control, it's about any deliberate play. Dumb imo but that's what they changed it to.
That’s what I said to the ref on Saturday. Exactly this “the rule changed 2 years ago. Deliberate play resets the offside.”
Oh well.
While what you are saying is common sense and used to be correct, a rule change 3 years ago means unsuccessful attempted blocks apparently do reset offside as the defender deliberately made a play on the ball. It's not about control, it's about any deliberate play. Dumb imo but that's what they changed it to. Half the refs call it, half do not... as half don't know what's correct anymore. V bad rule modification.
An intentionally blocked or deflected ball DOES NOT reset offside. It has to be a deliberate play, such as a pass. A block does not constitute a play on the ball. See the notes I provided in an earlier post.
In Watfly's quote referring to Law 11 above, a play is described as "possessed and controlled". This precludes a block, because there is no possession.
This one really isn't that hard to officiate.
I forgot to add. In the second video MLS and PRO referee determined the AR made the incorrect call, so disregard his Offside flag indication.
that was why i used "blocking".
that's my goal. making things worse. glad to be of service.I understood what you were implying by Blocking, but it was clear that some people did not understand and were just making things worse.
While what you are saying is common sense and used to be correct, a rule change 3 years ago means unsuccessful attempted blocks apparently do reset offside as the defender deliberately made a play on the ball. It's not about control, it's about any deliberate play. Dumb imo but that's what they changed it to. Half the refs call it, half do not... as half don't know what's correct anymore. V bad rule modification.
@fuboldad1 and @timbuck, the rule changed ... but the concept of "deliberate" did not. Just as in handling, the distance between when the ball is kicked versus where the defender makes contact with the ball is a significant factor. In the case of a challenge where the stricker and defenders are a yard apart, the defender's attempt to block the shot by sticking their leg out is not a "deliberate play" on the ball. Just like when a ball is kicked and hits a defender 5 yards away in the hand/arm (in a natural position) is generally not handling, because the defender had no time to react. The further the defender is from the original kick makes it more likely that the Referee will find a deliberate play has occurred.
As it was explained to me, "we do not reward sucky play" if a defender misplays the ball ... too bad, offside resets. But , we are not changing the law to prevent defensive challenges.
And as you have said, taking into account age and skill level as to what is a deliberate attempt to play the ball@fuboldad1 and @timbuck, the rule changed ... but the concept of "deliberate" did not. Just as in handling, the distance between when the ball is kicked versus where the defender makes contact with the ball is a significant factor. In the case of a challenge where the stricker and defenders are a yard apart, the defender's attempt to block the shot by sticking their leg out is not a "deliberate play" on the ball. Just like when a ball is kicked and hits a defender 5 yards away in the hand/arm (in a natural position) is generally not handling, because the defender had no time to react. The further the defender is from the original kick makes it more likely that the Referee will find a deliberate play has occurred.
As it was explained to me, "we do not reward sucky play" if a defender misplays the ball ... too bad, offside resets. But , we are not changing the law to prevent defensive challenges.
I truly hope you are right as it would be common sense.
However, this is what I was told, "If in the opinion of the referee the player makes a deliberate attempt to play the ball, which includes sticking their leg out to block a through ball or pass, and makes contact, the player in an offside position is not deemed to have received the ball from a teammate but from an opponent and would not be in violation of Law 11 Offside. The offside interpretation was changed with the huge LOTG change in June 2015."
Again, I am not trying to argue with you and understand you are a very knowledgeable poster. I just want to get to the bottom of it once and for all.
This makes sense. The girl tried to block the ball from going to the attacker 2 yards past her. Instead it deflected off the side of her chest, went to the attacker, who then had a break away and scored. No offside.Law 11:
If in the opinion of the referee the player makes a deliberate attempt to play the ball, which includes sticking their leg out, using their chest, shoulder, hip, or head to redirect the path of the ball, a through ball or pass, and makes contact, the player in an offside position is not deemed to have received the ball from a teammate but from an opponent and would not be in violation of Law 11 Offside. The offside interpretation was modified with the huge LOTG change in the 2016/2017 edition.
@fuboldad1 and @timbuck, the rule changed ... but the concept of "deliberate" did not. Just as in handling, the distance between when the ball is kicked versus where the defender makes contact with the ball is a significant factor. In the case of a challenge where the stricker and defenders are a yard apart, the defender's attempt to block the shot by sticking their leg out is not a "deliberate play" on the ball. Just like when a ball is kicked and hits a defender 5 yards away in the hand/arm (in a natural position) is generally not handling, because the defender had no time to react. The further the defender is from the original kick makes it more likely that the Referee will find a deliberate play has occurred.
As it was explained to me, "we do not reward sucky play" if a defender misplays the ball ... too bad, offside resets. But , we are not changing the law to prevent defensive challenges.