My DD's school did this last year, however they did let players play their thanksgiving tournament with no issue with CIF.I'm hearing some high schools are moving up their schedules so pre-season games will begin before Thanksgiving. Are all CIF-SS schools doing this? Does this mean So Cal club teams with HS players won't be able to play in the Thanksgiving tournaments?
I'm hearing some high schools are moving up their schedules so pre-season games will begin before Thanksgiving. Are all CIF-SS schools doing this? Does this mean So Cal club teams with HS players won't be able to play in the Thanksgiving tournaments?
@coachsamy you are in San Diego correct? CIF has traditionally been the worst working with kids, just ask @outside.My DD's school did this last year, however they did let players play their thanksgiving tournament with no issue with CIF.
Yes I'm in San Diego.@coachsamy you are in San Diego correct? CIF has traditionally been the worst working with kids, just ask @outside.
So are you saying that your dd was allowed to play in high school
Pre season games with a REF, then played with her club team in a tournament and then was allowed to play high school again? Or did she just sit out of the high school games until the tournament was over?
Thank you for the info but this is not a school thing. It is a CIF thing and each section interprets the rules differently with San Diego being the most restrictive and often interferring with kids going to ID camps. The rule in San Diego has always been interpreted that once a player plays with the high schoolYes I'm in San Diego.
Players were allowed by the coach to go play in the preseason game that were schedule the week before Thanksgiving if I'm not mistaken and then go onto their Thanksgiving tournaments. However the coach was very explicit about comes Monday after Thanksgiving all club activities are done.
My DD doesn't play in Thanksgiving tournaments (She only played once and only so her grandma can see her play), so I don't have details on the other players. The players I know played that weekend didn't sit out any longer than they normally do during that timeframe.
As you mentioned I can provide my experience but I do feel I'm giving horrible advice as each school is different and the coaches vary from school to school and as we know what works here doesn't works there even if the rules are the same.
I'm hearing some high schools are moving up their schedules so pre-season games will begin before Thanksgiving. Are all CIF-SS schools doing this? Does this mean So Cal club teams with HS players won't be able to play in the Thanksgiving tournaments?
Yes, all CIF-SS schools are doing this because the CIF-SS moved up the date of first competition (pre-season) from Nov. 20 to Nov. 12 AND the date of first league games from Jan. 1 to December 22. Next question, why did the CIF-SS do this? Because the CIF-SS doesn't care that much about club soccer.
Funny, but many of those CIF board members who come up with this are club coaches.
My understanding is this was done to align HS sports with Academic year, which doesn't make any sense, since many schools start/end at different dates.
I agree with this statement.I don’t see many high school players missing their club games, tournaments, or showcases (where most recruiting happens) to play in preseason high school games that don’t mean a whole lot. All Cif did with this is make the beginning of the hs season less relevant.
Yes I'm in San Diego.
Players were allowed by the coach to go play in the preseason game that were schedule the week before Thanksgiving if I'm not mistaken and then go onto their Thanksgiving tournaments. However the coach was very explicit about comes Monday after Thanksgiving all club activities are done.
My DD doesn't play in Thanksgiving tournaments (She only played once and only so her grandma can see her play), so I don't have details on the other players. The players I know played that weekend didn't sit out any longer than they normally do during that timeframe.
As you mentioned I can provide my experience but I do feel I'm giving horrible advice as each school is different and the coaches vary from school to school and as we know what works here doesn't works there even if the rules are the same.
Parents/players, please don't rely on the above claims. Go read the primary source documents , i.e. the CIF Southern Section Blue Book or the CIF San Diego Section Green Book for the rules applicable in your section.That's a CIF violation. You can train and play club at the same time, but the second you step on the field during a high school game or scrimmage that has a referee you are locked into high school. Playing a club game after that makes the player ineligible.
I don't think there will be much of an impact. Schools have been playing high school football games before school begins for years. Many schools schedule out of state/out of area schools involving significant travel for the week or two before school starts. One benefit is that players don't miss classes due to the travel involved.I am kind of interested to see how football deals with having games before school starts. I think cutting into their monetary bottom line will affect a lot of schools in addition to potentially draining the whole school spirit thing.
Parents/players, please don't rely on the above claims. Go read the primary source documents , i.e. the CIF Southern Section Blue Book or the CIF San Diego Section Green Book for the rules applicable in your section.
- What a player can do between club and high school depends on the CIF Section in which their school has membership. In the Southern Section a player can play with their HS team and train with their club but not play any club matches. In the San Diego Section they can't even train with their club.
- In both sections a players season of sport begins with the first interscholastic "contest" in which they participate. By rule, a scrimmage is not a "contest." In previous years, with HS schedules that began Thanksgiving week, early in the week a high school player could play in the one scrimmage allowed their HS team, then play in a Thanksgiving tournament or showcase with their club, and come back the following Monday and begin their HS season of sport by playing for their HS team. That scenario doesn't work with the earlier start this year.
- As a point of information, if a player does participate in a club contest after their high school season of sport begins they are ineligible on a 2-for-1 basis, i.e. ineligible for two HS games for every one club game.
This way of thinking is what making varsity sports irrelevant in High School. How does a pay per play game is more important than the experience of HS Athletics? The main reason Varsity sports play preseason is so the teams can bond together for the season and hopefully make it to the playoffs. I know a lot of people will disagree and rightly so, however varsity athletics goes a little beyond of just playing the game, its about enjoying the time in high school, playing with your classmates, taking pride of your school colors and preparing to do so in a college environment, which after all that's what most people are chasing is that coveted college scholarship.I don’t see many high school players missing their club games, tournaments, or showcases (where most recruiting happens) to play in preseason high school games that don’t mean a whole lot. All Cif did with this is make the beginning of the hs season less relevant.
Maybe. Then again, the people that make the decisions governing HS sports seem to be doing their best to drive the top non male, or non-football and non-basketball athletes away from HS sports. Soccer specific problems include, tiny fields, two refs, limited school administrative support (when was the last time you went to a HS football game and the bathrooms were locked?) and the elephant in the room is CIF.This way of thinking is what making varsity sports irrelevant in High School.
I have not encounter none of those issues as you mention besides the 2 referees thing. Now one thing I'll say most of these 2 ref crews did by far a better job than a lot of 3 ref crews I encounter in club soccer. I will agree with you that girls soccer should be schedule to be played under the lights and bring more people. CIF could be the issue with their scheduling and funding, however the rest is a reflection of the parents.Maybe. Then again, the people that make the decisions governing HS sports seem to be doing their best to drive the top non male, or non-football and non-basketball athletes away from HS sports. Soccer specific problems include, tiny fields, two refs, limited school administrative support (when was the last time you went to a HS football game and the bathrooms were locked?) and the elephant in the room is CIF.