Actually - that's not what I said. That's what you said.
I was actually making the point you are making above. Glad to know reasonable minds can agree after going in a few circles.
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I was actually making the point you are making above. Glad to know reasonable minds can agree after going in a few circles.
Not what you said:Actually - that's not what I said. That's what you said.
I was actually making the point you are making above. Glad to know reasonable minds can agree after going in a few circles.
The only time I've ever felt that a goalie is at fault is...if the goalie consistently makes bad decisions when passing it out of the back, holds onto the ball way to long which allows all his/her teammates to get marked up, booting it to the wrong team or to a player who's surrounded by opponents. If your goalie is doing this often, then the teams might be right because no matter how good your team is, they can't attack if they can't get/possess the ball. Attacks start with the goalies and defending starts with the forwards.
If the goalie is doing this consistently, it could very well poor coaching, especially if it doesn't improve, because ultimately my point is that's the job of the coach. Not joysticking. Not this kids should explore and come to their own answers nonsense pushed by US Soccer. This is almost exactly the situation in the ref forum which you blamed on the keeper, and I pointed out was more the teammates and quite possibly the coach's fault (but we couldn't see the remainder of the pitch to tell).
When the keeper makes a great pass, but players receive the ball with a hard touch that goes in a bad direction and results in a turnover that should be the fault of the player receiving the ball. Not great when the coach then yells don't play the ball into traffic. Then the reality of possession soccer becomes what is traffic. Someone on their back sure, traffic. 10 yards away, not traffic. That in between area becomes the discussion point, even more so when each field player has a different skill level.The point isn't that you can blame the coach for the distribution. The point is we don't know, especially in the OP's case, who get the blame. Everything is issue dependent. Is it the GK's footskills, is it the GK's soccer IQ, is it the coach's failure to instruct the GK on preferences, or is it the coach's failing to properly instruct the team on tactics (e.g. no one gets open)? The point is we have no idea. More often than not, it's a little of everything with different issues weighted differently, but YOU put it on the GK, and sent up this false dichotomy between the extremes of kids figure it out on their own and joystick coaching (neither of which is good).
Another aspect as they get older is the positioning of players which is the keepers responsibility as well. When some players don't listen, think they know better, or are to slow to react, a cross or pass to a wide open player results in a great shot attempt that shouldn't of even been a shot. It can be the difference between allowing 8 shots with 2 goals or allowing 4 shots and 1 goal.
Also goes to whether the keeper and the coach are on the same page with respect to the positioning of the players, which means the keeper & coach need to have had that discussion, or the field players will be getting different possibly conflicting instructions. It's why some keepers are reluctant to talk, and sometimes (from personal experience now) you see keepers who were chatty when they were younger getting tentative when this is put in their wheelhouse because they aren't sure they actually know more than the teammates (same thing with breakaways, the defensive line and the offside trap).When the keeper makes a great pass, but players receive the ball with a hard touch that goes in a bad direction and results in a turnover that should be the fault of the player receiving the ball. Not great when the coach then yells don't play the ball into traffic. Then the reality of possession soccer becomes what is traffic. Someone on their back sure, traffic. 10 yards away, not traffic. That in between area becomes the discussion point, even more so when each field player has a different skill level.
Another aspect as they get older is the positioning of players which is the keepers responsibility as well. When some players don't listen, think they know better, or are to slow to react, a cross or pass to a wide open player results in a great shot attempt that shouldn't of even been a shot. It can be the difference between allowing 8 shots with 2 goals or allowing 4 shots and 1 goal.
From what I've observed up to the 07s right now (juniors/sophomores), on the boys side, through and including the non-academy MLS Next teams, defenders thinking they know better is a rampant problem. Exception are talented coaches of varying levels that have everyone on the same page.
But you know, to get on the same page, you have to actually discuss and practice it, which is difficult with players rotating in and out and field space limitations. A handful of weeks to go before the season and I know of several teams my son's age of varying levels that aren't complete yet.
I'm impressed. You get it.