Is This Still Soccer?

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Alrighty so if things come down to this would your player still participate?

Not saying I support or what to see this happen but if the choice was between just practicing no scrimmages, games as is status quo or some modifications and changes so games could start again soon would you support the change or not?


"You’re still not allowed to touch the ball with your hands.

But in many other important ways, the soccer being played by Massachusetts high schools this fall differs significantly in shape and form from the soccer known and played around the rest of the world.

No physical contact. No slide tackles. No headers. No throw-ins. Six feet of distance between players is required whenever play is restarted — in other words, no walls or close marking on free kicks. And to top things off, everyone on the field must wear a mask at all times.

Sports leagues across the country, from youth leagues to the pros, are implementing safety protocols this fall to try to play games amid the coronavirus pandemic. Some guidelines, on things like sharing water bottles or high-fiving or locker room use, are common sense in the coronavirus era. Others are more extreme: In Vermont, for example, high schools are playing seven-on-seven football this year, and volleyball matches are moving from indoor gyms to outdoor courts.

But few have taken things as far as the state of Massachusetts, which unveiled its unusual rules for soccer on the eve of what is shaping up to be one of the strangest high school sports seasons in memory.

It’s crazy,” said Francesca Yanchuk, a senior forward for the girls’ team at Bishop Feehan High School in Attleboro, Mass., who has had to unlearn some of the skills that helped her secure a scholarship to play at Villanova next year.

I might go for a header, and I’ll go, ‘Wait, I can’t do that,’” she said. “You have to take a step back and reset your mind.”

The rules caused a statewide stir when they were announced in late August by the Massachusetts Interscholastic Athletic Association, which oversees sports for almost 400 high schools in the state. They were not produced in haste: Rough drafts were shuttled from sports committees to medical committees and back again as the rules were being completed. But as the season neared, an M.I.A.A. official said, the organization was ultimately handcuffed in terms of what it could allow.

The fateful moment came in August, when the state agency in charge of the latest phase of reopenings released its guidelines. Sports officials noticed almost immediately that they included a prohibition on “deliberate contact.”

“I don’t know if you’ve seen soccer,” said Tara Bennett, a spokeswoman for the athletic association, “but that’s how you play soccer.”

Not anymore. The rules sent coaches to their drawing boards to figure out how to play what is essentially a new game.

It was a weird hybrid between soccer and girls’ field hockey,” Zach Siano, the coach of the boys’ soccer team at Belchertown High School, said about his team’s first game on Wednesday. (Two of the team’s first three games were postponed because of coronavirus precautions.) “It was a little difficult to watch.”

Siano, whose team won a state championship last year, said the opposing team scored easily on a free kick from 20 yards because it largely went undefended; under the new rules, defensive walls are not allowed. And he said defenders were already cynically stopping dangerous attacks by triggering one of the new coronavirus contact fouls.

For the most part, states resuming high school sports were doing so with basic safety rules, though a few, including California, have postponed fall seasons altogether.

Niehoff said that while consistency in sports across the country was typically an important goal, associations were being given a “hall pass” this year, given the complicated challenge of adhering to state health and safety protocols that vary widely.

“But I think if this were a normal year, we absolutely would scratch our heads a little bit and reach out and say, What’s your rationale for this level of alteration?” Niehoff said about the modified soccer rules in Massachusetts.

Many are scratching their heads anyway.

“I don’t think it’s made the game more socially distant,” said Silva, the Bishop Feehan girls’ coach, noting that players were still bunching up on the field. “To me, putting masks on but keeping the rules the same would have been a much easier way to create a safe environment while still playing the game as it’s supposed to be played.”

But Silva said the biggest problem for him so far was the sheer number of stoppages in games. On top of all the new fouls, throw-in situations have now become indirect free kicks (which must be played on the ground) and referees regularly stop play to enforce proper spacing.

“It’s really slowing down the game,” Silva said.

Referees, too, are having to adjust. Several said communication and patience were more important than ever as everyone gets on the same page.

Like players and coaches, referees will have to break old habits to enforce reimagined game protocols. Among the changes:

The new infractions will be termed “Covid fouls,” Quinn said, and trigger an indirect kick.

Games will be divided into quarters instead of halves to give players additional rest.

Goalkeepers cannot throw or punt a ball in the air across the midfield line.

A player stepping within six feet of a referee to argue a call will be given a straight red card and ejected.

Postgame handshake lines will be replaced by waving and nodding lines.
 
ummm time out, do these rules apply for CA? or rather AZ and NV since that's where we're playing????
WTF

Those are only in Massachusetts:
"Massachusetts Interscholastic Athletic Association, which oversees sports for almost 400 high schools in the state"

Questions is would you support any changes to get back sooner in CA or would your player rather wait it out as is without sanctioned local games or scrimmages?

Massachusetts went there own way, other states doing things differently, CA not doing anything so far.
 
I posted some videos in the ref forum....if you want to see it. Depends on how closely they call it. In one, the ref barely calls anything. In the other refs whistling alot but allowed GK contact.
 
Purists? You'd use that term to talk about possession style or a time before video replays......... What's happening in MA is NOT soccer bud......
Ok. Don't call it soccer. (covidball?)

By any name, that thing they are doing in Massachusetts looks like more fun than that thing we are doing in California.
 
But the masks. The masks protect everyone don’t they? They protect you and they protect those around you. That’s what we continue to be told; so why the need for all of the other changes? It’s a circus.

All of that said; if it was a choice between this and nothing, of course the kids would choose this.

“COVID fouls” though. Oh my days.:D
 
But the masks. The masks protect everyone don’t they? They protect you and they protect those around you. That’s what we continue to be told; so why the need for all of the other changes? It’s a circus.

All of that said; if it was a choice between this and nothing, of course the kids would choose this.

“COVID fouls” though. Oh my days.:D
All Mass is doing is killing soccer leagues in the state, the proximity to other states will allow top clubs to circumvent this easily
 
But the masks. The masks protect everyone don’t they? They protect you and they protect those around you. That’s what we continue to be told; so why the need for all of the other changes? It’s a circus.

All of that said; if it was a choice between this and nothing, of course the kids would choose this.

“COVID fouls” though. Oh my days.:D
I convinced it's not only ridiculous but also very disrespectful for the Beautiful Game.
 
It's amazing what you can get some people to do (or not do) under the guise of Covid safety, particularly since there is little, to no threat, to young people. More surprisingly is that some people think we should be thankful that we get to do this, under the premise that "it's better than nothing". How about we all buck-up and demand that we shouldn't have to prove that our long standing freedoms are safe, but that our government officials should have to definitively prove our normally held freedoms are unsafe before taking them away.

Weird world when stories in The Onion seem more plausible than the actual stories.
 
Ok. Don't call it soccer. (covidball?)

By any name, that thing they are doing in Massachusetts looks like more fun than that thing we are doing in California.
I understand your point that some form of competition is better than nothing, but it's not so practical at real game speed. I recently participated in a impromptu 3v3 parents vs kids scrimmage after a practice. Everyone was wearing a mask to be considerate. The kids were taking it easy on us at 50% game speed, but the old men (myself included) were all gasping for air. Wearing a mask in a true competitive soccer match is just not realistic.

Anyway, we're not the only one doing silly things when it comes to Covid and soccer:
I told my kids in their next match, just periodically clear their throats very loudly a few times, and they should have an open path to goal.
 
But the masks. The masks protect everyone don’t they? They protect you and they protect those around you. That’s what we continue to be told; so why the need for all of the other changes? It’s a circus.

All of that said; if it was a choice between this and nothing, of course the kids would choose this.

“COVID fouls” though. Oh my days.:D
My kid is 100% no way and $%&% no!!! AYSO and some other kids, sure. This is pure BS!!! Have fun MA and have some chow wow pow for yourself too. Enjoy your new brand of soccer.
 
Those are only in Massachusetts:
"Massachusetts Interscholastic Athletic Association, which oversees sports for almost 400 high schools in the state"

Questions is would you support any changes to get back sooner in CA or would your player rather wait it out as is without sanctioned local games or scrimmages?

Massachusetts went there own way, other states doing things differently, CA not doing anything so far.

My bad... that's what I get for skimming not actually reading haha

As far as your question goes, not sure, really it would be up to my kids since they're the ones out there playing (my boots have been hung up for years now). I will ask them and see what they say. One is a GK so that answer may differ than the field players... I would support my kids either way, but I would 100% tease the hell out of them about this "Covid Soccer" ;)
 
More surprisingly is that some people think we should be thankful that we get to do this, under the premise that "it's better than nothing". How about we all buck-up and demand that we shouldn't have to prove that our long standing freedoms are safe, but that our government officials should have to definitively prove our normally held freedoms are unsafe before taking them away.
This part is key.

It is amazing how fast people are willing to do what gov tells them. And then when they get crumbs, they tell others we should be thankful.

Our own gov stats at CDC show very clearly that kids (under 19) have no risk of this disease. Those stats show that if a million kids get the virus 30 may die. And yet we willingly keep kids out of schools, have them wear masks playing soccer outside, etc. Wake up.

We also see more and more information coming out how they are not spreaders either.

We should stand up and say enough of this BS.

By the way I notice that many of the people on this forum who like the lockdown idea and masks leave our state to go to AZ to have their kids play soccer. Why is that? Advocating one thing here, but going somewhere else to do what you cannot here. A state it seems many of the same people on this forum think got it wrong.
 
Here is the other thing. What is the difference in risk between playing actual soccer and the game that the State of Massachusetts has designed? Nothing, or its so infinitesimal as to be completely irrelevant, its all just political theater like not wearing a mask in a crowded group or a TV reporter wearing a mask outside when there is no one within 10 feet. My favorite is when they use those really long boom mics to interview people.
 
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