Vaccine

[espola]

IDK, you check facts. Did I get burned?

I don't keep track, I just live in the moment.

I did notice, however, over in the "FC England" thread, that the excuses for PS's behavior included an appeal to "do your own research" that had somehow ended up with non-facts previously shattered in this thread.

 

[Bruddah IZ]

I highly doubt that, given that I took it from the exact same website that you used to assert that the 10/2 7-day average death rate in FL was 17 people a day. At this point, given that same number is now at 75 a day and rising, you and your anti-vax/mask friends are just going to have to claim everyone is dying in motorcycle accidents. You might also want to direct all the "prayer warriors" to the right cause of death though, because they seem to be wasting their time on the non-existent Covid people. That said, it turns out God doesn't give a shit about anyone's prayers.

Largest Study of Prayer to Date Finds It Has No Power to Heal

The largest study yet on the therapeutic power of prayer by strangers has found that it provided no benefit to the recovery of patients who had undergone cardiac bypass surgery.

www.latimes.com

In fact, praying just increases the likelihood of bad outcomes.

Prayer and healing: A medical and scientific perspective on randomized controlled trials

Religious traditions across the world display beliefs in healing through prayer. The healing powers of prayer have been examined in triple-blind, randomized controlled trials. We illustrate randomized controlled trials on prayer and healing, with one ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

What do you think Watfly? Factual enough for you?

Iʻm going through death certs for that date. Be patient.

 

[watfly]

I highly doubt that, given that I took it from the exact same website that you used to assert that the 10/2 7-day average death rate in FL was 17 people a day. At this point, given that same number is now at 75 a day and rising, you and your anti-vax/mask friends are just going to have to claim everyone is dying in motorcycle accidents. You might also want to direct all the "prayer warriors" to the right cause of death though, because they seem to be wasting their time on the non-existent Covid people. That said, it turns out God doesn't give a shit about anyone's prayers.

Largest Study of Prayer to Date Finds It Has No Power to Heal

The largest study yet on the therapeutic power of prayer by strangers has found that it provided no benefit to the recovery of patients who had undergone cardiac bypass surgery.

www.latimes.com

In fact, praying just increases the likelihood of bad outcomes.

Prayer and healing: A medical and scientific perspective on randomized controlled trials

Religious traditions across the world display beliefs in healing through prayer. The healing powers of prayer have been examined in triple-blind, randomized controlled trials. We illustrate randomized controlled trials on prayer and healing, with one ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

What do you think Watfly? Factual enough for you?

Well I'm agnostic, so again your barking up the wrong tree. I would say if people are praying thinking the prayers are going to change an outcome, I would say they are going to be disappointed most of the time. If there is evidence that prayers can influence god(s) to change the outcome of something, I haven't seen it. However, I seriously doubt praying makes outcomes worse. Like the one study said there are too many scientific restrictions to study the outcomes of prayer.

Praying provides many people with comfort and strength and I fully support it. It might not change the outcomes of others, but it has to the power to potentially change your mindset and motivation.

 

[GoldenGate]

Iʻm going through death certs for that date. Be patient.

I see, this is your way of simply denying that the people that FL is (belatedly) admitting died of Covid did not die of Covid. What do you think Watfly, does this support your theory that the right wing nut jobs "tend to post facts"?

 

[Grace T.]

Ivermectin as a SARS-CoV-2 Pre-Exposure Prophylaxis Method in Healthcare Workers: A Propensity Score-Matched Retrospective Cohort Study - PubMed

In 28 days of follow-up, significant protection of ivermectin preventing the infection from SARS-CoV-2 was observed: 1.8% compared to those who did not take it (6.6%; p-value = 0.006), with a risk reduction of 74% (HR 0.26, 95% CI [0.10,0.71]). Conclusions: These results suggest that...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[what-happened]

I see, this is your way of simply denying that the people that FL is (belatedly) admitting died of Covid did not die of Covid. What do you think Watfly, does this support your theory that the right wing nut jobs "tend to post facts"?

I'm trying grasp your point? what exactly is it? People in florida are or are not dying of Covid? Aren't they dying at slightly more than the rate of CA (per 100,000?)?

I'm sure adjustment for age and other factors are in play? Or would you rather insult people and post about deceased people?

 

[Grace T.]

Aspirin lowers risk of COVID: New findings support preliminary trial

The treatment reduced the risk of reaching mechanical ventilation by 44%. ICU admissions were lower by 43%, and an overall in-hospital mortality saw a 47% decrease.

www.jpost.com

 

[GoldenGate]

I'm trying grasp your point? what exactly is it? People in florida are or are not dying of Covid? Aren't they dying at slightly more than the rate of CA (per 100,000?)?

I'm sure adjustment for age and other factors are in play? Or would you rather insult people and post about deceased people?

Bruddah IZ previously posted a chart showing that only 17 people per day were dying of Covid in FL as of 10/2. He posted it in support of how great FL has done to control Covid by doing nothing. I pointed out to him that the chart is misleading in that FL changed the way it reports Covid deaths, so that the actual death rate for this time period is actually much, much higher, as time will tell when FL eventually has no choice but to report deaths for that date. Bruddah IZ responded with a pack of lies. And Watfly followed up by claiming his right wing friends "tend to" provide facts, which is insane.

My point is that FL is doing a terrible job, and certainly much worse than what Bruddah IZ knows is an inaccurate and misleading graph. FL is doing terrible and will soon have 2x the death rate of CA. My point is that Bruddah IZ and his right wing nut job friends will say any lie, no matter how demonstrably false, to support their agenda, and weak-minded people like Watfly will lap it up. Are you one of them? Do you believe that only 17 people a day were dying in FL as of Oct. 2nd as Bruddah IZ claimed, or do you believe that number is much higher based on the exact same updated chart from the exact same website?

If you don't want to hear about dead people and learn what behavior led directly to their unnecessary deaths, then don't hang out at a youth soccer website. Sheesh. If you don't want people to insult others here, then maybe you should say something to bruddah iz, desert hound, the strict constructionist and crush.

 

[Bruddah IZ]

Bruddah IZ previously posted a chart showing that only 17 people per day were dying of Covid in FL as of 10/2. He posted it in support of how great FL has done to control Covid by doing nothing. I pointed out to him that the chart is misleading in that FL changed the way it reports Covid deaths, so that the actual death rate for this time period is actually much, much higher, as time will tell when FL eventually has no choice but to report deaths for that date. Bruddah IZ responded with a pack of lies. And Watfly followed up by claiming his right wing friends "tend to" provide facts, which is insane.

My point is that FL is doing a terrible job, and certainly much worse than what Bruddah IZ knows is an inaccurate and misleading graph. FL is doing terrible and will soon have 2x the death rate of CA. My point is that Bruddah IZ and his right wing nut job friends will say any lie, no matter how demonstrably false, to support their agenda, and weak-minded people like Watfly will lap it up. Are you one of them? Do you believe that only 17 people a day were dying in FL as of Oct. 2nd as Bruddah IZ claimed, or do you believe that number is much higher based on the exact same updated chart from the exact same website?

If you don't want to hear about dead people and learn what behavior led directly to their unnecessary deaths, then don't hang out at a youth soccer website. Sheesh. If you don't want people to insult others here, then maybe you should say something to bruddah iz, desert hound, the strict constructionist and crush.

Youʻre babbling.

 

[Bruddah IZ]

Three Neat Tricks That Will End The Pandemic:

1. Acknowledge that the vaccines are safe and effective

2. Acknowledge that natural immunity is also very strong

3. Acknowledge that kids are not and never have been at serious risk

 

[Brav520]

Aspirin lowers risk of COVID: New findings support preliminary trial

The treatment reduced the risk of reaching mechanical ventilation by 44%. ICU admissions were lower by 43%, and an overall in-hospital mortality saw a 47% decrease.

www.jpost.com

Uh oh be prepared for Aspirin to be labeled as horse paste soon

 

[Brav520]

Bruddah IZ previously posted a chart showing that only 17 people per day were dying of Covid in FL as of 10/2. He posted it in support of how great FL has done to control Covid by doing nothing. I pointed out to him that the chart is misleading in that FL changed the way it reports Covid deaths, so that the actual death rate for this time period is actually much, much higher, as time will tell when FL eventually has no choice but to report deaths for that date. Bruddah IZ responded with a pack of lies. And Watfly followed up by claiming his right wing friends "tend to" provide facts, which is insane.

My point is that FL is doing a terrible job, and certainly much worse than what Bruddah IZ knows is an inaccurate and misleading graph. FL is doing terrible and will soon have 2x the death rate of CA. My point is that Bruddah IZ and his right wing nut job friends will say any lie, no matter how demonstrably false, to support their agenda, and weak-minded people like Watfly will lap it up. Are you one of them? Do you believe that only 17 people a day were dying in FL as of Oct. 2nd as Bruddah IZ claimed, or do you believe that number is much higher based on the exact same updated chart from the exact same website?

If you don't want to hear about dead people and learn what behavior led directly to their unnecessary deaths, then don't hang out at a youth soccer website. Sheesh. If you don't want people to insult others here, then maybe you should say something to bruddah iz, desert hound, the strict constructionist and crush.

Florida’s daily cases are plummeting, similar to Biden’s approval ratings . Wonder who reaches the bottom first

 

[Brav520]

Three Neat Tricks That Will End The Pandemic:

1. Acknowledge that the vaccines are safe and effective

2. Acknowledge that natural immunity is also very strong

3. Acknowledge that kids are not and never have been at serious risk

why isn’t #2 happening?

why is the morbidly obese Governor of Illinois seen as caring about his health because he is vaccinated and wears a mask?

why are the people telling you to be scared about Covid showing you time and time again they aren’t actually worried about Covid?

why are we letting people into our country from the southern border without getting the vaccine , are they even being tested ?

why is Fauci still here on my TV and telling me if it’s ok for my kids to trick or treat or gather for Xmas?

Trust the experts , Trust the science !!!!

 

[Bruddah IZ]

1. One-year sustained cellular and humoral immunities of COVID-19 convalescents, by Jie Zhang, Hao Lin, Beiwei Ye, Min Zhao, Jianbo Zhan, et al. Clinical Infectious Diseases, October 5, 2021. “SARS-CoV-2-specific IgG antibodies, and also NAb can persist among over 95% COVID-19 convalescents from 6 months to 12 months after disease onset. At least 19/71 (26%) of COVID-19 convalescents (double positive in ELISA and MCLIA) had detectable circulating IgM antibody against SARS-CoV-2 at 12m post-disease onset. Notably, the percentages of convalescents with positive SARS-CoV-2-specific T-cell responses (at least one of the SARS-CoV-2 antigen S1, S2, M and N protein) were 71/76 (93%) and 67/73 (92%) at 6m and 12m, respectively. Furthermore, both antibody and T-cell memory levels of the convalescents were positively associated with their disease severity.”

 

[Brav520]

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In an article published by New York Times reporter Apoorva Mandavilli on Wednesday, Times readers were told that “nearly 900,000 children have been hospitalized with COVID-19 since the pandemic began.”

A correction issued on Thursday notes that the correct number is 63,000 between August 2020 and October 2021, which means Mandavilli exaggerated the number of child hospitalizations by 837,000 cases. Approximately 500 American children have eventually died from the disease. The exaggeration was included in a report on the debate surrounding whether and how to vaccinate children.

NYT had an excellent Covid reporter but they fired him earlier this year ( I’ll let you decide if it was justified or not )

now they are stuck with this exceptional writer that the corrections to this story were almost as long as the article itself. She also claimed that looking into the lab leak theory was racist

 

[what-happened]

Bruddah IZ previously posted a chart showing that only 17 people per day were dying of Covid in FL as of 10/2. He posted it in support of how great FL has done to control Covid by doing nothing. I pointed out to him that the chart is misleading in that FL changed the way it reports Covid deaths, so that the actual death rate for this time period is actually much, much higher, as time will tell when FL eventually has no choice but to report deaths for that date. Bruddah IZ responded with a pack of lies. And Watfly followed up by claiming his right wing friends "tend to" provide facts, which is insane.

My point is that FL is doing a terrible job, and certainly much worse than what Bruddah IZ knows is an inaccurate and misleading graph. FL is doing terrible and will soon have 2x the death rate of CA. My point is that Bruddah IZ and his right wing nut job friends will say any lie, no matter how demonstrably false, to support their agenda, and weak-minded people like Watfly will lap it up. Are you one of them? Do you believe that only 17 people a day were dying in FL as of Oct. 2nd as Bruddah IZ claimed, or do you believe that number is much higher based on the exact same updated chart from the exact same website?

If you don't want to hear about dead people and learn what behavior led directly to their unnecessary deaths, then don't hang out at a youth soccer website. Sheesh. If you don't want people to insult others here, then maybe you should say something to bruddah iz, desert hound, the strict constructionist and crush.

You really don't have a point, but that's neither here nor there. How are you predicting the death rate? Your grasp in general about the subject (any subject, from what I can tell) is very basic and is limited to talking points, insults, and posturing. Amusing comes to mind.

Go ahead and post about dead people, shows how little you know about death. Your well within your rights to post almost whatever you want. Doesn't really bother me.

Usually people hang out on a youth soccer forum because they have children who play. That's normally the ticket to entry. If you choose to wander off into other conversations, so be it. Maybe you have a child, maybe you don't. I don't really know. Gut tells me you don't. Your ability to entertain is enough - I thank you for that.

 

[crush]

Hi fellas and hi to Grace T. I've missed you all. I dont have time to read up on the last week. I have been driving across the country the last 7 days. Getting ready to create and build a better way that is not on my back, so to speak and to live and do business as one. I can't share all the details yet but my wife and I are super excited to build a better tomorrow for us and others who want fairness and honesty as #1 in their mission statement. With that said, our country is hurting all over. I went fast so it's not a sampling of everyone so please take with a grain of salt. I got to North Carolina in 3 and half days. My HOT wife and I are now celebrating our 24th year of marriage in Gallup, NM because snow decided to come and we pulled over to be safe and warm. It's all about the next move. I love our great country by the way and I pray we can all heal some day. One of the great parts of our quick business trip was meeting my wife's ancestors from Oklahoma and North Carolina. Cherokee are amazing people. 1200 mile walk they were forced to do back in the day. I want to also be blunt with all of you with what my wife and I witnessed in each state The happiest and most friendly of all the states was North Carolina, hands down. I mean, super nice and the best customer service. New Mexico is least happy of them all. My award for the State with the most mask enforcement and obedience from their peoples is New Mexico. Mask everywhere and enforced. Most of the people are obese as well and look Misérables. In fact, I saw so many obese people and most also had a mask on. Their afraid to die. It's real fear. The look on their faces says it all. I think their all in with the mask life and it shows in NM. North Carolina folks come in 2nd place regarding mask rules. Half the peeps had mask on but were happy about it and are just following mandates they told me. I drove through Texas quickly so not sure about that State but Oklahoma was fun and people were NOT wearing a mask. The Indians we met were 100% never ever getting the jab. My wife's relative said her father told her that his dad told him never to take anything from anyone. Work for self or be a slave to the system was his take. Arkansas had the fastest gas pumps. Very hot and humid and people look beat up in these small towns. I stayed in Forrest City, AK just outside Memphis TN. I had a great time talking with my bros from another. I am a bold man and I have zero fear and I just want to love everyone. Everyone was wearing a mask but they never told me I had to. I told a few of the hard workers that were all going to love each other better and make sure all is ok. Black Mountain and Blue Ridge Mountain was amazing as well. Last but not least, the supply lines are having a big impact. We went to Denny's last night and they were out of just about anything healthy. I spoke to many folks across our country and their starting to feel the impact on the cargo ships sitting out in the Pacific. Anyway, I love you all and I hope for the best for all of us fellow Americans. Love is the only way out. Speak the truth in love to each other. The truth I have learned has some good, some bad and even some ugly. The truth is the truth.

 

[Grace T.]

Doesn't go into the federal v. state argument, but a good overview of Jacobson and vaccine mandates....

Vaccine Mandates and Jacobson v. Massachusetts: A Closer Look | RealClearPolitics

Every now and again, an otherwise arcane legal topic suddenly becomes relevant to contemporary political debate. At that point, general commentary suddenly...

www.realclearpolitics.com

 

[Grace T.]

Facing major campus disruption and firings, LAUSD extends staff COVID-vaccine deadline

Employees had faced termination if not fully immunized againt COVID-19 by Oct. 15. But they'll still need their shots.

www.latimes.com

 

[watfly]

Usually people hang out on a youth soccer forum because they have children who play. That's normally the ticket to entry. If you choose to wander off into other conversations, so be it. Maybe you have a child, maybe you don't. I don't really know. Gut tells me you don't. Your ability to entertain is enough - I thank you for that.

Well they act like a child with their use of insults and profanity like a pre-pubescent 7th grader on the playground with a new found vocabulary. Although, I appreciate their use of the word "dumbf*&#ery" I need to add that to my rotation.