Vaccine

[GoldenGate]

Youʻre babbling.

You have nothing to say in defense of your false assertion that FL's death rate went to 17 a day as of Oct. 2nd, or that it's death rate has declined steeply and dramatically. As I explained to you earlier, your own chart was false and misleading because FL changed the way it reports Covid deaths. As I made very clear to you, that number will increase dramatically over time. After one week, it has already increased to 75.

You are the perfect example of the dumbfuck right winger. You believe even the most ridiculous things that DeSantis and Trump tell you because that is what you want to believe. When it is proven definitively wrong based on your own chart, rather than accept reality, you just deny its existence completely. It must be very hard living a life in which virtually everything you believe gets proven to be complete b.s., leaving you with two options, either complete humiliation that you've been a dumbfuck or a complete disassociation from reality to preserve your fragile ego. All of you seem to choose the latter every single time.

FL has the best dead anti-vaxxers by the way:

https://www.reddit.com/r/HermanCainAward/comments/q2lmit

https://www.reddit.com/r/HermanCainAward/comments/q3xqrq

https://www.reddit.com/r/HermanCainAward/comments/plisk7

https://www.reddit.com/r/HermanCainAward/comments/pkm9y2

https://www.reddit.com/r/HermanCainAward/comments/pn3xyr

https://www.reddit.com/r/HermanCain...lorida_man_posts_misleading_statistics_about/
https://www.reddit.com/r/HermanCainAward/comments/pl50do/and_another_one_cant_stop_florida/

 

[GoldenGate]

You really don't have a point, but that's neither here nor there. How are you predicting the death rate? Your grasp in general about the subject (any subject, from what I can tell) is very basic and is limited to talking points, insults, and posturing. Amusing comes to mind.

Go ahead and post about dead people, shows how little you know about death. Your well within your rights to post almost whatever you want. Doesn't really bother me.

Usually people hang out on a youth soccer forum because they have children who play. That's normally the ticket to entry. If you choose to wander off into other conversations, so be it. Maybe you have a child, maybe you don't. I don't really know. Gut tells me you don't. Your ability to entertain is enough - I thank you for that.

I am not predicting a death rate, I am just showing you the actual graphs from the same website that Bruddah claims show that FL's death rate declined to 17 a day effective Oct. 2nd.

I have questions for you. Do you believe that the graph that Bruddah provided which he claimed showed an average death rate of 17 per day as of 10/2 in FL is accurate? If so, how do you explain that that the same graph is now at 75 a day as of 10/2? Why are you criticizing me for discussing this and not Bruddah since he is the one who brought it up AND provided intentionally false information? Are you a right wing nut job also? Or do you just think that right wing nut jobs should be able to say whatever dumbfuck things they want, no matter how false, without pushback? Do you even understand the difference between facts and opinion? Why is it exactly that you think that right wing nut jobs are the only ones who should be allowed to say what they want?

 

[Grace T.]

I'm sure dad4 will appreciate this....Covid math....

How to Fix Our Broken Relationship With COVID Math

Four rules to improve reporting about risk.

www.persuasion.community

 

[watfly]

I'm sure dad4 will appreciate this....Covid math....

How to Fix Our Broken Relationship With COVID Math

Four rules to improve reporting about risk.

www.persuasion.community

I will say that San Diego County does an excellent job of breaking down its Covid statistics. Simple, straightforward and meaningful.

 

[watfly]

I'm sure dad4 will appreciate this....Covid math....

How to Fix Our Broken Relationship With COVID Math

Four rules to improve reporting about risk.

www.persuasion.community

Covid math for San Diego County:

San Diego County
		Hosp. %		Death %
	Hospital-	Of		Of	Survived
Age	izations	Population	Deaths	Population	Covid
0-9	373	0.0860%​	-	0.0000%​	100.0000%​
10-19 years	393	0.0906%​	2	0.0005%​	99.9995%​
20-29 years	991	0.1867%​	20	0.0038%​	99.9962%​
30-39 years	1,462	0.2984%​	40	0.0082%​	99.9918%​
40-49 years	1,808	0.4530%​	140	0.0351%​	99.9649%​
50-59 years	2,959	0.7316%​	385	0.0952%​	99.9048%​
60-69 years	3,571	1.0494%​	835	0.2454%​	99.7546%​
70-79 years	3,054	1.5278%​	957	0.4787%​	99.5213%​
80+ years	3,112	2.5970%​	1,725	1.4395%​	98.5605%​
Total	17,723	0.5288%​	4,104	0.1224%​	99.8776%​

I can't find California hospitalizations by age, but deaths paint a similar picture.

California
		Deaths %
		of	Survived
Age	Deaths	Population	Covid
<5	11​	0.0005%​	99.9995%​
5-17	26​	0.0004%​	99.9996%​
18-34	1,115​	0.0116%​	99.9884%​
35-49	4,179​	0.0548%​	99.9452%​
50-59	7,794​	0.1578%​	99.8422%​
60-64	6,569​	0.2818%​	99.7182%​
65-69	7,449​	0.3771%​	99.6229%​
70-74	8,016​	0.4948%​	99.5052%​
75-79	8,144​	0.7634%​	99.2366%​
80+	26,041​	1.6900%​	98.3100%​
Total	69,351​	0.1755%​	99.8245%​

 

[Grace T.]

Funny...tomato meter 91% fresh....audience score 2% fresh.

Fauci

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www.rottentomatoes.com

 

[Grace T.]

Covid math for San Diego County:

San Diego County
		Hosp. %		Death %
	Hospital-	Of		Of	Survived
Age	izations	Population	Deaths	Population	Covid
0-9	373	0.0860%​	-	0.0000%​	100.0000%​
10-19 years	393	0.0906%​	2	0.0005%​	99.9995%​
20-29 years	991	0.1867%​	20	0.0038%​	99.9962%​
30-39 years	1,462	0.2984%​	40	0.0082%​	99.9918%​
40-49 years	1,808	0.4530%​	140	0.0351%​	99.9649%​
50-59 years	2,959	0.7316%​	385	0.0952%​	99.9048%​
60-69 years	3,571	1.0494%​	835	0.2454%​	99.7546%​
70-79 years	3,054	1.5278%​	957	0.4787%​	99.5213%​
80+ years	3,112	2.5970%​	1,725	1.4395%​	98.5605%​
Total	17,723	0.5288%​	4,104	0.1224%​	99.8776%​

I can't find California hospitalizations by age, but deaths paint a similar picture.

California
		Deaths %
		of	Survived
Age	Deaths	Population	Covid
<5	11​	0.0005%​	99.9995%​
5-17	26​	0.0004%​	99.9996%​
18-34	1,115​	0.0116%​	99.9884%​
35-49	4,179​	0.0548%​	99.9452%​
50-59	7,794​	0.1578%​	99.8422%​
60-64	6,569​	0.2818%​	99.7182%​
65-69	7,449​	0.3771%​	99.6229%​
70-74	8,016​	0.4948%​	99.5052%​
75-79	8,144​	0.7634%​	99.2366%​
80+	26,041​	1.6900%​	98.3100%​
Total	69,351​	0.1755%​	99.8245%​

what's even more striking is the vaxxed/nonvaxxed stats. An unvaxxed 10-15 year old has less of a risk of death, hospitalization, and long COVID than a vaxxed 45-50 year old.

 

[Brav520]

what's even more striking is the vaxxed/nonvaxxed stats. An unvaxxed 10-15 year old has less of a risk of death, hospitalization, and long COVID than a vaxxed 45-50 year old.

yeah there is a comprehensive study out of England that is showing the risk factors particularly under 12 are less than actual vaccinated 30-40 year olds

 

[Desert Hound]

yeah there is a comprehensive study out of England that is showing the risk factors particularly under 12 are less than actual vaccinated 30-40 year olds

Not even sure if we need a study on that.

CDC produces stats.

We know there are 70 million people in the17 and under range.

19 months into this there are roughly 480 deaths total.

They have no risk whatsoever.

 

[Desert Hound]

I'm sure dad4 will appreciate this....Covid math....

How to Fix Our Broken Relationship With COVID Math

Four rules to improve reporting about risk.

www.persuasion.community

He and others have been very bad at the math.

Or should we say how the math is interpreted and reported.

News stories, etc as the article points out do not put things into context whatsoever. This feeds into the fear people have.

 

[espola]

Not even sure if we need a study on that.

CDC produces stats.

We know there are 70 million people in the17 and under range.

19 months into this there are roughly 480 deaths total.

They have no risk whatsoever.

Interesting sequence of words.

 

[espola]

He and others have been very bad at the math.

Or should we say how the math is interpreted and reported.

News stories, etc as the article points out do not put things into context whatsoever. This feeds into the fear people have.

Who was it that interpreted 480 deaths as "no risk whatsoever"?

 

[GoldenGate]

what's even more striking is the vaxxed/nonvaxxed stats. An unvaxxed 10-15 year old has less of a risk of death, hospitalization, and long COVID than a vaxxed 45-50 year old.

What are the odds that they kill their 45-50 year old parents?

 

[watfly]

what's even more striking is the vaxxed/nonvaxxed stats. An unvaxxed 10-15 year old has less of a risk of death, hospitalization, and long COVID than a vaxxed 45-50 year old.

yeah there is a comprehensive study out of England that is showing the risk factors particularly under 12 are less than actual vaccinated 30-40 year olds

He and others have been very bad at the math.

Or should we say how the math is interpreted and reported.

News stories, etc as the article points out do not put things into context whatsoever. This feeds into the fear people have.

Unfortunately, the risk from Covid to children is not a compelling argument for the Fear Factory. What is compelling to them is that children could possibly spread it and kill vulnerable adults. You know, because in today's society its children's responsibility to protect adults. Children had to sacrifice their education for the benefit of fearful adults.

 

[watfly]

What are the odds that they kill their 45-50 year old parents?

Something far less than .0351%.

 

[watfly]

What are the odds that they kill their 45-50 year old parents?

Something far less than .0351%.

.0351% is for 40-49 so lets assume conservatively that 45-50 would make up 3/4 of that number, so you reduce it to .0263%. One study says that adults are 2x as likely to spread Covid as children. If you believe that then you would reduce that percentage to a third, which gives you .0088% chance of a child spreading it to and killing an adult, or 99.9912% chance of a child not killing an adult. Rough math but you get the picture.

 

[Brav520]

If zero Covid , zero death, zero hospitalization is the goal we will never be there

I’d like a defined endgame here , it’s interesting we can’t get that from our esteemed leaders

 

[Desert Hound]

So...long term affects still not known.

We are starting to see some stuff that isn't good.

Remember in this age group, there really isn't any risk. And yet our gov wants to MANDATE the vaxx.

It is irresponsible.


“For patients in Israel’s largest healthcare system, Clalit Health Services, the estimate of myocarditis was 2.13 cases per 100,000 vaccinated persons, reaching as high as 10.69 cases per 100,000 in men and boys ages 16 to 29. A separate study using Israel’s government database, capturing active and passive periods of surveillance for myocarditis, supported the higher risk in young men. In this report, males of all ages had myocarditis occur at 0.64 cases per 100,000 persons after the first dose and 3.83 cases per 100,000 after the second dose — with the incidence increasing to 1.34 and 15.07 per 100,000 after the first and second doses, respectively, for teenage boys ages 16 to 19. Both papers were published online in the New England Journal of Medicine.”

Plus: “Compared with historical data from 2017 to 2019, myocarditis was more than five times as likely after mRNA vaccination in the overall population. Compared with people who remained unvaccinated during the study period (from Dec. 20, 2020, to May 31, 2021), fully vaccinated individuals had about double the risk at 30 days after the second dose.”

Israeli Data Favor Higher Estimates of Post-Vax Myocarditis

Results echo the controversial VAERS study from September

www.medpagetoday.com

 

[Desert Hound]

Need to study long term affects before we mandate people get a vaccine.

Most people have little to no risks. To mandate them to take a vaxx that has not had long terms studies is poor policy.

“Chief Epidemiologist Þórólfur Guðnason has decided that Iceland will halt the use of the Moderna vaccine in Iceland. RÚV reports that the decision was made after reviewing new data from the Nordic countries, which shows an increased incidence of myocarditis, an inflammation of the heart muscle (or myocaridum), as well as pericarditis, an inflammation in the membrane surrounding the heart (or pericardium), among people vaccinated with Moderna. . . . Sweden currently restricts the use of Moderna to individuals who were born after 1991. Norway and Denmark recommend that Pfizer be used in lieu of Moderna for children aged 12 – 17.”

Moderna Use on Pause in Iceland

Chief Epidemiologist Þórólfur Guðnason has decided that Iceland will halt the use of the Moderna vaccine in Iceland. RÚV reports that the decision was made after reviewing new data from the Nordic countries, which shows an increased incidence of myocarditis, an inflammation of the heart muscle...

www.icelandreview.com

 

[what-happened]

I am not predicting a death rate, I am just showing you the actual graphs from the same website that Bruddah claims show that FL's death rate declined to 17 a day effective Oct. 2nd.

I have questions for you. Do you believe that the graph that Bruddah provided which he claimed showed an average death rate of 17 per day as of 10/2 in FL is accurate? If so, how do you explain that that the same graph is now at 75 a day as of 10/2? Why are you criticizing me for discussing this and not Bruddah since he is the one who brought it up AND provided intentionally false information? Are you a right wing nut job also? Or do you just think that right wing nut jobs should be able to say whatever dumbfuck things they want, no matter how false, without pushback? Do you even understand the difference between facts and opinion? Why is it exactly that you think that right wing nut jobs are the only ones who should be allowed to say what they want?

Hopefully few people are coming to youth soccer forums to enrich their knowledge on everything/anything covid. But feel free to lead the charge on exposing misinformation/disinformation, it's not a bad thing.. Your tactic of twisting views and words is a bit tiresome. The criticism directed at you isn't centered around the information you provide, but rather your engagement method - which likely amuses those that counter your opinion and do it on purpose to see you go off the rail. You are an easy target.