President Joe Biden

Grace T. said:
You are disputing the veracity of the recording? If so on what basis?
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I pretty much ignore anything that comes out of Project Veritas as it's a well known propaganda machine. I don't even want to give them the stats.

They are part of the reason we're even in this mess....per top line on wikipedia:

"Project Veritas is an American far-right[18] activist group founded by James O'Keefe in June 2010.[23] The group uses undercover techniques to reveal supposed liberal bias and corruption,[19] and is known for producing deceptively edited videos about media organizations, left-leaning groups,[31] and debunked conspiracy theories.[35]"
 
Grace T. said:
The Rs are tearing themselves apart......

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1349092249213272067
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The AZ Republican party has been taken over by extremists. If they think this will get the vote back, they are delusional, which they are obviously. Some of the things they included in Cindy McCain's "memo" are pretty sickening given the age (they go back to late eighties/early nineties) and what they are insinuating. It shows the despicable level they are at. Flake is a conservative Republican, and acted honorably in this. He's also a Mormon, which is a large community in AZ. I'm not a huge fan of Ducey, but again he's clearly a conservative Republican.

They've caused the R's to lose 2 senate seats and a presidential election in 2 years and don't realize that they are the reason. AZ could comfortably go red again, but not while these idiots are in charge of the GOP, they'll push it the other way by putting up extremist candidates.
 
NorCalDad said:
I pretty much ignore anything that comes out of Project Veritas as it's a well known propaganda machine. I don't even want to give them the stats.

They are part of the reason we're even in this mess....per top line on wikipedia:

"Project Veritas is an American far-right[18] activist group founded by James O'Keefe in June 2010.[23] The group uses undercover techniques to reveal supposed liberal bias and corruption,[19] and is known for producing deceptively edited videos about media organizations, left-leaning groups,[31] and debunked conspiracy theories.[35]"
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So you are o.k. only with left-leaning activists groups? You aren't disputing the veracity of the video and what was said? You aren't taking a stand against the awfulness of what was said? You prefer to just bury your head in the sand and ignore what was said because you don't want to give the source credence?
 
espola said:
On a smaller scale, volunteer moderation works well. Just look at the difference between Bigsoccer discussions (moderated by volunteers) and those here (especially before Dominic kicked out the worst offenders).
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Sure, but that doesn't work at scale. Billions of daily posts can't be moderated without automation and even with it, it won't be perfect or anywhere close.
 
whatithink said:
The AZ Republican party has been taken over by extremists. If they think this will get the vote back, they are delusional, which they are obviously. Some of the things they included in Cindy McCain's "memo" are pretty sickening given the age (they go back to late eighties/early nineties) and what they are insinuating. It shows the despicable level they are at. Flake is a conservative Republican, and acted honorably in this. He's also a Mormon, which is a large community in AZ. I'm not a huge fan of Ducey, but again he's clearly a conservative Republican.

They've caused the R's to lose 2 senate seats and a presidential election in 2 years and don't realize that they are the reason. AZ could comfortably go red again, but not while these idiots are in charge of the GOP, they'll push it the other way by putting up extremist candidates.
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Add - the AZ election commission will soon being redistricting for the next 10 years. Given that AZ electors made this an independent body, it will be interesting how they potentially redo districts. I can't see the Dems losing anything, the opposite in fact, so expect lots of litigation from the GOP. This could obv. impact on the House in 2 years, which is already pretty close.
 
whatithink said:
Sure, but that doesn't work at scale. Billions of daily posts can't be moderated without automation and even with it, it won't be perfect or anywhere close.
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Automated real-time language translation used to be science fiction. Now it's common.

I used to joke that "artificial intelligence" was actually an "intelligent artifice". I hadn't realized that the real computing power would not be in your hand, but in the cloud. The thing in your hand (or lap) was just the terminal.
 
whatithink said:
He appears to be offering implicit cover. He's right that the GOP needs to reset.
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He's personally upset and blames Trump for Georgia.
Also he's looking to take Trump off the table in 2024 by barring him for further office.
He also knows it derails Biden's unity message and the first 100 days.

He's misreading the mood of the R voters though. It will kill the Republican Party.
 
Grace T. said:
So you are o.k. only with left-leaning activists groups? You aren't disputing the veracity of the video and what was said? You aren't taking a stand against the awfulness of what was said? You prefer to just bury your head in the sand and ignore what was said because you don't want to give the source credence?
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Where's that jump to conclusion doormat? I don't like propaganda machines from any side.

Project Veritas is scum.
 
NorCalDad said:
Where's that jump to conclusion doormat? I don't like propaganda machines from any side.

Project Veritas is scum.
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Fair if you hold both sides to the same standard, but what was said is truly awful, and again being used as an example that the extremes on both sides have lost their minds.
 
whatithink said:
They've caused the R's to lose 2 senate seats and a presidential election in 2 years and don't realize that they are the reason. AZ could comfortably go red again, but not while these idiots are in charge of the GOP, they'll push it the other way by putting up extremist candidates.
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To be fair the reason for both loses is that the Rs put up a terrible candidate. McSally lost in the special election after McCain died, and then that is the candidate again?
 
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