President Joe Biden

espola said:
Still with the racism charges? Look back through the thread a few places and see how that started.

Not having had to deal with racist issues in my youth, I never gave a thought to what my kids would go through. They have been pretty lucky - the worst I am aware of was a racial slur directed at my second son in a soccer game at UCSB. The ref gave the UCSB player a yellow card for it. I think under the rules it should have been a red, but perhaps the referee didn't hear the actual words spoken and was cautioning the player based on his aggressive attitude.
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You Magoo, you are so lost and confused you can't even see what's going on here. Poor old Mr. Magoo.
 
Grace T. said:
Biden's theme for the inauguration is apparently going to be "America United". This will be occurring (unless they delay it til after the first 100 days) at the same time they are trying to impeach Trump. Seriously a lesson right out of the Soviet playbooks. Given the poll numbers about how Rs feel about this, you can have unity, or you can give Trump his consequences....pick 1.....but this is just destroying your message.
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I'm curious -- put aside all the strategy, the polls etc, do you think Trump should be held accountable? I mean I completely agree there's a component of strategy, but I'm curious what your stance is if you put all of that aside.
 
NorCalDad said:
I'm curious -- put aside all the strategy, the polls etc, do you think Trump should be held accountable? I mean I completely agree there's a component of strategy, but I'm curious what your stance is if you put all of that aside.
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I think he should resign. I'd certainly support censure for conduct unbecoming the office. I don't think the charge, though, of "inciting a riot" is correct....he never ordered them to seize the Capitol and told them to stand down. You can't charge him for the Republican objectors...they didn't charge the D ones in 2016. If he's committed a crime he should be prosecuted. The most likely area to charge him would be for what he did with Mike Pence (if he ordered Pence to disregard the Constitution)....however that would require the cooperation of Mike Pence.
 
Grace T. said:
Biden's theme for the inauguration is apparently going to be "America United". This will be occurring (unless they delay it til after the first 100 days) at the same time they are trying to impeach Trump. Seriously a lesson right out of the Soviet playbooks. Given the poll numbers about how Rs feel about this, you can have unity, or you can give Trump his consequences....pick 1.....but this is just destroying your message.
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Seriously? The Soviet playbook involves getting into power, using propaganda to whip their supporters into a froth, and then using their goons to literally take out anyone in government who resists (you know, like Congresspeople), and trying to take control over how information is disseminated, like the Bronze Baboon amd@Desert Hound are proposing. Are you seriously this stupid or is the Russian embassy paying you $5 a post. Probably the latter, given you don’t actually have a law job and breaking quarantine so you can spread covid in Utah and then bring it back gets expensive quickly.
 
Grace T. said:
Biden's theme for the inauguration is apparently going to be "America United". This will be occurring (unless they delay it til after the first 100 days) at the same time they are trying to impeach Trump. Seriously a lesson right out of the Soviet playbooks. Given the poll numbers about how Rs feel about this, you can have unity, or you can give Trump his consequences....pick 1.....but this is just destroying your message.
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"America United - (except Trump)" maybe that's their plan!
 
Grace T. said:
I think he should resign. I'd certainly support censure for conduct unbecoming the office. I don't think the charge, though, of "inciting a riot" is correct....he never ordered them to seize the Capitol and told them to stand down. You can't charge him for the Republican objectors...they didn't charge the D ones in 2016. If he's committed a crime he should be prosecuted. The most likely area to charge him would be for what he did with Mike Pence (if he ordered Pence to disregard the Constitution)....however that would require the cooperation of Mike Pence.
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He incited a riot, resulting in death and destruction.
 
espola said:
He incited a riot, resulting in death and destruction.
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I'm a strict constructionalist. To incite a riot, you have to go out and order your people to riot. I'd even give it to you if he sat there and did nothing while they rioted but he specifically said go home.

Otherwise Maxine Waters and Bernie Sanders need to be held to account for what happened to the Republican legislators that were, you know, actually shot.
 
Grace T. said:
I'm a strict constructionalist. To incite a riot, you have to go out and order your people to riot. I'd even give it to you if he sat there and did nothing while they rioted but he specifically said go home.

Otherwise Maxine Waters and Bernie Sanders need to be held to account for what happened to the Republican legislators that were, you know, actually shot.
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The perpetrator doesn't have to tell them to tear down fences and kill somebody, but if that is the result of the actions he encouraged, he is liable for those results.
 
Grace T. said:
No at the time there was a debate (marked by the 2 radical differences in approach from Compuserve and Prodigy)....the question which was asked then is are they a publisher or are they a bulletin board.
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OK, so the premise that ISPs are distributors was carried on to social media companies and now we are where we are. If 230 is just repealed then that brings more than just social media companies into play then, no? Wouldn't that also make Cox or Comcast potentially liable for the content as they are the providers?

Just an an aside, you can't moderate the social networks. AI can do some, but that's not perfect. If moderation (& so perfection) is a standard, they are done. It wouldn't bother me mind, as my life would go on the same irrespective - just a little less timely (social) news from far away.
 
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Seriously? The Soviet playbook involves getting into power, using propaganda to whip their supporters into a froth, and then using their goons to literally take out anyone in government who resists (you know, like Congresspeople), and trying to take control over how information is disseminated, like the Bronze Baboon amd@Desert Hound are proposing. Are you seriously this stupid or is the Russian embassy paying you $5 a post. Probably the latter, given you don’t actually have a law job and breaking quarantine so you can spread covid in Utah and then bring it back gets expensive quickly.
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Don't the ruskies use tank and machine guns and stuff for this type shenanigans?
 
espola said:
The perpetrator doesn't have to tell them to tear down fences and kill somebody, but if that is the result of the actions he encouraged, he is liable for those results.
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What actions did he encourage...quote?

You seem to be wanting to hold him to a negligence standard. That he should have foreseen that by riling up his audience they would storm the Capitol That's not the standard for most crimes..."high crimes and misdemeanors". You have to you know...actually incite. Apparently even the Capitol leadership didn't foresee this as a possible because then there would have been adequate security. Now if you can show proof the FBI warned him that an insurrection was afoot and then were going to go seize the Capitol, and he went out there anyways, that's a different story.

And I'd be open to your argument more if then you hold Maxine Waters and Bernie Sanders liable under the same. They did as much. But we all know you won't do that...you just want to Magoo.
 
whatithink said:
OK, so the premise that ISPs are distributors was carried on to social media companies and now we are where we are. If 230 is just repealed then that brings more than just social media companies into play then, no? Wouldn't that also make Cox or Comcast potentially liable for the content as they are the providers?

Just an an aside, you can't moderate the social networks. AI can do some, but that's not perfect. If moderation (& so perfection) is a standard, they are done. It wouldn't bother me mind, as my life would go on the same irrespective - just a little less timely (social) news from far away.
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On a smaller scale, volunteer moderation works well. Just look at the difference between Bigsoccer discussions (moderated by volunteers) and those here (especially before Dominic kicked out the worst offenders).
 
Grace T. said:
What actions did he encourage...quote?

You seem to be wanting to hold him to a negligence standard. That he should have foreseen that by riling up his audience they would storm the Capitol That's not the standard for most crimes..."high crimes and misdemeanors". You have to you know...actually incite. Apparently even the Capitol leadership didn't foresee this as a possible because then there would have been adequate security. Now if you can show proof the FBI warned him that an insurrection was afoot and then were going to go seize the Capitol, and he went out there anyways, that's a different story.

And I'd be open to your argument more if then you hold Maxine Waters and Bernie Sanders liable under the same. They did as much. But we all know you won't do that...you just want to Magoo.
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"They did as much"?
 
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