SoCal Soccer Attitude Change

I am guessing that the NFL, MLB, and NBA all have a rule that refs decisions are final and that players and coaches should not question their decision, let alone the fans who like soccer fans are obviously the least educated and most abusive. Amazing that they unlike the more sensitive and thin skinned soccer refs are able to somehow ignore the crowd and concentrate on the game. Oh right the leagues have tasked the refs with enforcing the etiquette and sportsmanship part too. And given them the strict "code of conduct" that soccer parents have to sign to back them up.
 
socalkdg said:
Were you talking about soccer referees or MLB Umpires? NBA refs? NFL refs? Does anyone here watch professional sports? Every sport sees mistakes during every game. Why would soccer be any different. Mistakes happen. So what. If a guy making $3000 per game makes a mistake, you think a $30 per game guy isn't going to do the same thing? So far in both AYSO and Club, our teams have one loss that might be contributed to a bad call, and that was actually a parent for the other team providing the AR for a AYSO game. So we have one loss, doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things. Yes it is nice to win. But it is even better to see improvement from your son or daughter's team. Referees can't keep that from happening, in any sport.
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Sorry buddy make your thread related arguments on AYSO. They're not to compare. AYSO referees are parents that don't get paid and is required to(parents) ref games in AYSO region . Nice try!!!
 
Sentient Being said:
Here we go again, every year it's the same thing. Let's bash all the refs!! They're fat, lazy, don't know the rules, egotistical, bad knees, out of shape......

You guys, ( and I'm talking to the thousands of people on this forum) but really I'm talking to YOU... Why don't you do something about it. You know the the rules, your in shape, your in the prime of your life. Your a male between the age of 35-50, you have weekends off and are a reliable, intelligent guy. Why don't you step up and become a ref!! Why don't you step up and help foster this fledgling game of soccer here in the USA that you all believe should be a the same level as the European nations. Step up, give up your weekends, go run around in the heat, on crappy fields and listen to guys like you yell at you for 4 hours a day for basically minimum wage. Why don't YOU step up and become a ref??

Oh, I know why you don't....because you're all family men. Basically good guys with a couple of kids at home. You love your kids and enjoy spending time with them. So much so in fact, that you dont have the desire to give up some of the best memories your ever going to have with them. You would rather watch your kids play sports every weekend!! Who wouldn't!!! I don't blame you, I do the same thing!! We would all rather sit back and spend the fleeting moments that we have with our children watching them play sports, than have somebody else carpool our kids to a game while we go voluntarily ref somebody else's kids 30 miles in the opposite direction. It's understandable and nobody can blame you for being a great parent...

But...lets stop bashing the men and women who do give up their weekends of watching their kids, family and loved ones play their games!! They do sacrifice a lot to make sure your little Johnny can get his game in. They are in the sun all day, running up and down bumpy fields with no shade. (Have you ever tried running on a crappy field with goffer holes and never looking down to see where you are stepping because you are watching the ball so you don't make a mistake - ITS NOT EASY!). I have yet to see anybody offer a ref a nice cold bottle of water to cool down during the run of play when it's a hundred or an orange slice at half.

So... Here's my point: since the majority of the primary ideal work force ( AGES 35 - 50) for refs is sitting on the sidelines being good family men and women, watching THEIR kids play, why don't we stop bashing these refs. Let's show some compassion, be grateful there is somebody to pick up the slack so that you can get that great picture, have that celebratory lunch right after the game, analyze the shortcomings of the coach and other players on the team (that's for SoCalUnited), and spend time with team friends and family that has come to support your child.

It's time to change our attitude towards refs, and look at why things are the way they are.....and be grateful for what we have.
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Great post and agreed! Our two daughters go to the refs after "EVERY" game, shake their hand and thank them for their service. I don't see other girls do it, but it has become a habit for mine. I like the idea of giving them water, so I will bring extra bottles of water in the future for those horribly hot days! Thank you!
 
jdiaz said:
Sorry buddy make your thread related arguments on AYSO. They're not to compare. AYSO referees are parents that don't get paid and is required to(parents) ref games in AYSO region . Nice try!!!
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Read a bit better and you will see I said AYSO and Club. Experiencing both this year. Not much difference. Both are human beings thus subject to mistakes and errors. Professional referees in all sports make errors every game. They get into arguments with coaches and players. All sports, every game. I've found I have less to complain about on the soccer field then I did on the basketball court or the baseball field.
 
socalkdg said:
Read a bit better and you will see I said AYSO and Club. Experiencing both this year. Not much difference. Both are human beings thus subject to mistakes and errors. Professional referees in all sports make errors every game. They get into arguments with coaches and players. All sports, every game. I've found I have less to complain about on the soccer field then I did on the basketball court or the baseball field.
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Yes there is a difference. Calsouth making you a ref. AYSO certificate is different buddy
 
jdiaz said:
Yes there is a difference. Calsouth making you a ref. AYSO certificate is different buddy
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AYSO training is fine it's the parents on the sidelines that are killing everything and that's true for club and AYSO. By the way the people who are the worst on the sidelines are the same ones that refuse to help with anything at AYSO or club. That's the point of the thread. Honestly take your whole I hate AYSO to another thread. I'm tired of people from both organizations acting high and mighty. From the Club side it's AYSO sucks and from the AYSO side we got that message my club kid isn't welcome in your league.

I suggest before any of you complain about referee's again you referee a game anywhere. Once I did that I gained a much better understanding as you can't see nearly as much in the middle of the field as you can on the sideline that's why referee's miss many of the things we see.
 
Did you know that a referee with an AYSO "intermediate" badge is able to transfer that certificate to a "grade 8" badge and work the club circuit?
Many people do both. These are people that enjoy the game and enjoy giving young people an opportunity to play soccer.
I don't think many are doing it for the money. $30-$40 just isn't enough money to be away from your family while getting yelled at by soccer moms.
 
Sheriff Joe said:
Never? You gotta be kidding.
You should have been in San berdu a couple of weeks ago, parent was complaining about a call aggressively, ref stopped the game and kicked him out, warned the coach and the game resumed.
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I have refereed in San Bernardino for many years. I have never seen any bleachers in that venue.
 
Just a Parent said:
On average, what percentage of parents use them on any given game?
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that is the kind of answer you would expect from a soccer ref. Most would call it a bleacher but if only a few used it then maybe we could apply advantage and it wouldn't be a bleacher , how old is the bleacher? depending on its skill level it may or may not be a bleacher. Was it intentional that the people put it there meant it as a bleacher or did they intend it to be simply benches close together for seats .......and you better not call it a bleacher if the refs call it a bench...that is abusive behavior. It could get you removed from the field, especially if it is a youth ref calling it a bench not a bleacher...
 
wildcat66 said:
that is the kind of answer you would expect from a soccer ref. Most would call it a bleacher but if only a few used it then maybe we could apply advantage and it wouldn't be a bleacher , how old is the bleacher? depending on its skill level it may or may not be a bleacher. Was it intentional that the people put it there meant it as a bleacher or did they intend it to be simply benches close together for seats .......and you better not call it a bleacher if the refs call it a bench...that is abusive behavior. It could get you removed from the field, especially if it is a youth ref calling it a bench not a bleacher...
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so much anger and hate. i feel bad for you.
 
wildcat66 said:
that is the kind of answer you would expect from a soccer ref. Most would call it a bleacher but if only a few used it then maybe we could apply advantage and it wouldn't be a bleacher , how old is the bleacher? depending on its skill level it may or may not be a bleacher. Was it intentional that the people put it there meant it as a bleacher or did they intend it to be simply benches close together for seats .......and you better not call it a bleacher if the refs call it a bench...that is abusive behavior. It could get you removed from the field, especially if it is a youth ref calling it a bench not a bleacher...
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How many times, on average, has anyone used them, say, in the last ten years during a game?
 
wildcat66 said:
that is the kind of answer you would expect from a soccer ref. Most would call it a bleacher but if only a few used it then maybe we could apply advantage and it wouldn't be a bleacher , how old is the bleacher? depending on its skill level it may or may not be a bleacher. Was it intentional that the people put it there meant it as a bleacher or did they intend it to be simply benches close together for seats .......and you better not call it a bleacher if the refs call it a bench...that is abusive behavior. It could get you removed from the field, especially if it is a youth ref calling it a bench not a bleacher...
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Actually, it is the kind of answer one would expect from JaP. Don't confuse him with the referee you usually see at your children's games.
 
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