National Cup Boys 1999 Round of 16 tainted.

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  1. David Parsio

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    So what pressure was placed on Cal South in order for them to not follow the rules and change schedules and bracketing. The WestCoast Wyss Team and the FCGS White team played in Pool play. Both Qualified and per the rules they are supposed to play each other as the BRACKETS stated.

    But over the last 24 hrs FCGS White the WC2 finisher is now playing Soltilo FC where we should be playing the WC3 finisher.

    Obvious pressure has been placed on Cal South to Gerrymander the tournament as the FCGS White team is personally coached and financially supported by the Owner of the club.

    I am writing Cal South as well. Steve McManus I know you're on this forum occasionally and I see they tried to put the FCGS team against you in the round of 16. This is an insane injustice. If you cannot win your bracket you do not get to CHOOSE who you play no matter how much money or influence you may have.

    This better get corrected.

    https://cysa.affinitysoccer.com/tou...mentguid=FC4F0702-55DD-40C8-BC6E-4D9DB992AE18
     
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    Link to brackets?
     
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    Here is the WC finishing where you see the clear tie breaker and the change in WC placement.

    https://cysa.affinitysoccer.com/tou...-55DD-40C8-BC6E-4D9DB992AE18&section=13721973
     
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    Winner of group G was supposed to play WC 3?

    It is pretty common to have teams from the same group avoid each other early in bracketed play. Is that the change that was made?
     
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    My experience as well. It would have been unusual for Cal South not to change the brackets.
     
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    The integrity of Cal South is in question and the credibility of the tournament. We all agreed to the rules in place, and that means you can not arbitrarily move a team to play whomever they want in the round of 16. The results dictate who plays. This is based on personal relationships and pressure from the owner of FCGS and is corrupt.
     
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    You lost me at “The integrity of CalSouth.” They have none. Look at last year’s State Cup for 06 with Aneheim Surf using an overaged player with 2 different birth certificates. Other DOCs had mentioned it earlier in the season to AS but nothing was done. Then the player is gone but the team continued in State Cup after being originally disqualified. Politics as usual. Nothing new here.
     
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    Ditto. It happened in the U-littles this year with my DD's team. Original schedule had two teams meeting again in the round of 32 and then they changed it because we had played each other already. It's standard practice to my understanding.

    David Parsio. Who cares which team you play or not play, if you want to win it all, you have to go through all of them anyways. Your making something out of nothing. Instead of complaining get your team ready to play anyone left in the competition.
     
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    You're probably reading way too much into this. Teams from the same group shouldn't play each other in the immediate round afterwards and ideally would be place on opposite sides of the bracket.

    I don't feel like digging through the tournament rules but even if it isn't explicitly stated in there that it would happen, I would still expect it to be the case.

    I guess you are scheduled to face a much tougher team now, otherwise you wouldn't be complaining.
     
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    Where in the rules does it forbid this type of switching? Those are pretty serious allegations - any proof?
     
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    Spoken like a true Surf lawyer.
     
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    Just go look at the WC list (https://cysa.affinitysoccer.com/tou...-55DD-40C8-BC6E-4D9DB992AE18&section=13721973)

    By any metric, WC 2 and WC3 are switched. In other words, FCGS should be WC2 and Santa Barbara WC3.

    As for playing the same team in playoffs as in your brackets, there are plenty of tournaments that keep the seedings as set and not make the switch. So what if its the same bracket team.

    The number sets you free....
     
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    Exactly. FCGS should be WC2 and we have played in 10 tournaments a year where you immediately match up against a team you played in pool play. We earned our results to play the true WC3 and so did FCGS as WC2. FCGS is running from strong competition in the round of 16.
     
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    I am not here hiding like you are. It is obvious that your integrity is also on the fence.
     
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    You do not want to dig because there is no rule that states this can be done and it does not support your argument. There is no "spirit of competition" clause.
     
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    So I will flip this right back on you. If FCGS will eventually have to play all teams, why not leave the tournament as it was originally set up and how the teams EARNED their results.
     
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    I don't want to dig because I don't care. The outcome described is what I would expect to happen if a team I was involved in was in the same situation. I would expect to swap opponents with the adjacent/above WC position. I think you are assigning too much intent here anyways. I really would be surprised if the tournament director has enough time to look through the wildcard seedings to make sure that all of their buddies get what appear to be sweet opponents. It simple isn't happening because they don't have time and there are no easy games.

    You came to the board and started the thread, apparently to vent some frustration, and that is fine. Most respondents, such as myself, are simply trying to help you understand that this is normal and expected. Take a breath and move on. Maybe review the serenity prayer. There are other respondents, by the way, that will have their own agenda or generally like to egg people on. Don't fall for it.

    An assumption...
    Perhaps you are an 18 year old player who is a stakeholder in this decision. As a young man, it will be important to understand that you don't always get your way, even though you are now a 'grownup'. As you get older and continue to mature, you will find these things happen all the time. Those of us that have been through this enough learn to make an effort to manage events and situations so that we are positioned understand possible scenarios and, as much as is possible or practical, to avoid outcomes we don't want. This is Wisdom.

    Hopefully you'll get over it in time to play without causing any lasting negative impact on the game or your psyche.
     
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  19. JoeBieber

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    Switching seeds to prevent group play matchups are standard at most tournaments.

    You said "This is based on personal relationships and pressure from the owner of FCGS and is corrupt."

    What makes you say that?
     
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    Look, if you want some support, post the National Cup rule that was violated.
     

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