How will this affect womens sports in college?

You are really looking hard for any type interaction aren't you. Do you have anyone else besides this board you can confide in? I worry for you. You are reaching and you look very desperate!!

Let me make sure I have your point of view correct. When people make gratuitous bigoted comments about transgender athletes “eviscerating” women’s sports, that’s not trolling, but pointing out how ludicrous their statements are is trolling, in your opinion?

So, in other words, anyone who disagrees with your magat perspective is a troll? When someone points out that your ridiculously stupid predictions about the future have not been born out, that is trolling?

Like all trumpanzees, Snowflake just wants to say stupid s**t without accountability.
 
Lurked forever but finally have to post. I have a transgender daughter, biologically male. She has started hormone treatments. She loves sports, and doesn't care about winning or losing, just wants to play. We decided it was not safe for her to play on male teams because she has been physically assualted, targeted and severly bullied in the past. she plays two sports with other girls. She fits in with other girls. Our experience is that the girls do not care at all; they like her. It is youth sports. The people who care that much are smart enough to keep it to themselves to our faces, I guess, because they know how pathetic it sounds to be that worked up about chiuldren's sports. She does not plan to compete in college, but if she did I assume the governing bodies would mandate hormone testing or whatever else could keep an even playing field. As far as elementary, middle chool and high school sports are concerned, though, anyone who wants to sideline these kids is just pathetic. The other kids don't care. It is small minded parents who do.
Great to see your kid is getting to play. The reaction to this is pathetic, agree with you on that.

I know my son regularly plays against boys who are many inches taller and 40+ pounds heavier, and likewise with my daughter. I don't hear any of those parents complaining about their kids having a physical advantage because they were "fortunate" that their kids hit puberty sooner (more so than genetics) but I guess it will eventually even out.

I have seen a girl, who identified as a boy, play on a U15 boys team and the boys were cool with it, so agree with you that the kids could care less. The parents were surprised at first and then just shrugged and carried on.

I see many refs to elite level & college, but less to the fact that if a kid gets dropped, then that kid was #18 on the roster and at best marginally elite (hint, if you're #18 on the roster in the eyes of the coach on an elite team, move ...). My view is that if your kid isn't a starter then the coach is looking to replace them. If your kid is a starter, then you have nothing to worry about.
 
Let me make sure I have your point of view correct. When people make gratuitous bigoted comments about transgender athletes “eviscerating” women’s sports, that’s not trolling, but pointing out how ludicrous their statements are is trolling, in your opinion?

So, in other words, anyone who disagrees with your magat perspective is a troll? When someone points out that your ridiculously stupid predictions about the future have not been born out, that is trolling?

Like all trumpanzees, Snowflake just wants to say stupid s**t without accountability.

You actually missed it. I'll set you straight, people haven't been responding to your post so you go back to a comment made on Feb 18th, weeks ago, and try to get someone to bite... presumably because you have nobody else to talk to...how about go outside and kick the ball around with your kid? You'd rather be online all day? You need people to respond to you because you are unfulfilled and you need something to fill that time and space, very sad...It has nothing to do with peoples gratuitous bigoted comments, but because you have nothing better to do, you try to instigate, best part is, people on this board are getting tired of responding to you, because you have nothing original to bring. You keep going back to the same stuff over and over. Totally like CNN, NBC, all those networks, turn them on right now, go ahead, I don't even need to be on and I already know....they are talking about Trump, why? because, like you they cant see beyond their own shadow and are incapable of having any deep rhetoric, so they keep repeating themselves, just like you!!!
 
You actually missed it. I'll set you straight, people haven't been responding to your post so you go back to a comment made on Feb 18th, weeks ago, and try to get someone to bite... presumably because you have nobody else to talk to...how about go outside and kick the ball around with your kid? You'd rather be online all day? You need people to respond to you because you are unfulfilled and you need something to fill that time and space, very sad...It has nothing to do with peoples gratuitous bigoted comments, but because you have nothing better to do, you try to instigate, best part is, people on this board are getting tired of responding to you, because you have nothing original to bring. You keep going back to the same stuff over and over. Totally like CNN, NBC, all those networks, turn them on right now, go ahead, I don't even need to be on and I already know....they are talking about Trump, why? because, like you they cant see beyond their own shadow and are incapable of having any deep rhetoric, so they keep repeating themselves, just like you!!!
Clap....clap....clap.....we’ll said!
 
Great to see your kid is getting to play. The reaction to this is pathetic, agree with you on that.

I know my son regularly plays against boys who are many inches taller and 40+ pounds heavier, and likewise with my daughter. I don't hear any of those parents complaining about their kids having a physical advantage because they were "fortunate" that their kids hit puberty sooner (more so than genetics) but I guess it will eventually even out.

I have seen a girl, who identified as a boy, play on a U15 boys team and the boys were cool with it, so agree with you that the kids could care less. The parents were surprised at first and then just shrugged and carried on.

I see many refs to elite level & college, but less to the fact that if a kid gets dropped, then that kid was #18 on the roster and at best marginally elite (hint, if you're #18 on the roster in the eyes of the coach on an elite team, move ...). My view is that if your kid isn't a starter then the coach is looking to replace them. If your kid is a starter, then you have nothing to worry about.
Starting 10. The gkers, regardless of their skill level, unless they are the top 5 kids in region, are also always vulnerable to getting replaced if someone better comes along, regardless of whether they are the starter or substitute. On the girls side the only thing that stops this from happening more often is the goalkeeper shortage. On the us pro side, the salary caps limit things since only so much money is available after the other key roles have been signed. The gk also makes a ready scapegoat if the team isn’t doing well and the coach wants to deflect responsibility.
 
In addition to about half the U Dub players being kneelers, almost all the Cal and Oregon St players are too. It must be a sad life knowing the bigotry you love so much is losing.

I stand for the flag and kneel for the cross along with 74 million others....lol
 
I stand for the flag and kneel for the cross along with 74 million others....lol
If you’re going to brag about the losing score, can it be a soccer score? Try this:

”Remember that time Crush‘s daughter scored a hat trick against Blues in the Leicester City Cup at Galloway? That was awesome. If the ref hadn’t called blown the offside call in the 39th minute, she would have tied it up and they would totally have won in overtime! Those were the days. U9 soccer is the best!”

See? Much more fun.
 
If you’re going to brag about the losing score, can it be a soccer score? Try this:

”Remember that time Crush‘s daughter scored a hat trick against Blues in the Leicester City Cup at Galloway? That was awesome. If the ref hadn’t called blown the offside call in the 39th minute, she would have tied it up and they would totally have won in overtime! Those were the days. U9 soccer is the best!”

See? Much more fun.

So making fun of someone who is proud of his kid is fun? That's kindergarten bully bullshit and sure speaks to your character.
 
O.k. Here's my take which is likely to make me unpopular with either side but it means I'm probably on to something. And I say this as someone with a bit of background in this situation being LGBTQ myself, and having a relative who is T.

Firstly, sports is never fair. My son is August birthday and a GK. He was the tallest in his age group, but when they moved around the age groups he has to compete now against kids with 6 months growth on him. He's in the 75% of height for males, so not a short keeper by any means, but still that 6 months makes a huge difference. He also wound up losing a year of development when they changed the years. Similarly, if there are any girls on your teams with a mix of chromosomes (like the xxy) , or if they just happen to be genetically early bloomers and towered over their teammates when they were 10, or even if they are over 6 ft, there's nothing fair about that either.

What's "fair" or "unfair" here is entirely in the eye of the beholder. Any fidgeting of the rules will produce winners and losers, since there are finite places on a team. It's not "fair" if your DD gets cut from their dream team because somebody who looks like a guy walks in from tryouts and just blows away everyone even the strongest girls. It's not "fair" either to send the trans kid who has behaved as a girl since they were 8 and is on hormone blockers to compete against 18 year guys. Start from the position there is no "fairness" here. Also start from the position that I have yet to see a dude decide he wants to compete in women's sports just to gain a scholarship or trophy (though it also wouldn't surprise me to eventually see one or two).

For 10 years or so, before the woke knives came out, we had the NCAA standards. They, IIRC, required an athlete to be on hormones before being allowed to compete with the other sex. They worked for a long time before politics overwhelmed this issue.

Knowing that no solution can ever be perfect, and understanding we have to try to take into account the concerns of all participants, I'd think a siding scale is the most appropriate scale. For youth rec, who cares. I once had to referee an AYSO game with a kid who was MTF, 9 years old or so, playing with the girls. Very sweet kid, somewhat in love with the attention being given, and could not see that child playing with the boys and not getting hurt and/or bullied. For youth club sports, it's tricky because it's at an age before hormones are advised, but I can see a rule where hormones and/or testosterone blockers are required for some length of time, but the rules should be less stringent since it is a team sport and the contribution of any 1 athlete is limited. For individual youth sports, because the performance is so dependent on the performance of an athlete a stricter rule is called for. For college athletics, the rules should be even stricter and require a prolonged period on hormone blockers and estrogen, plus either a transition or an active moment towards transition within the coming months For Olympic level competition, it wouldn't be unreasonable to require the transition to have occurred.

None of this is entirely "fair" to anyone. But it recognizes there are competing concerns on both ends of the spectrum. Whether or not a transition really makes someone a "real boy" or "real girl" is besides the point here...who cares....it's all about definitional nonsense either....and no a transition does not make you magically into a biological female. We need to balance compassion on one end of the spectrum with fairness on the other, knowing that "fairness" is impossible to achieve in sports. We were headed in that direction before politics inserted its dirty nose into this issue.
Simple, why didn't your son identify as a year or two younger and he'd be the tallest GK again.

If birth gender is fluid, why not birth year? After all, isn't it compassionate for the undersized kids being dominated and bullied in their birth year group? Wouldn't it "level the playing field" for those born smaller, weaker, and less talented? OR think how one could dominate due to physical difference competing one or two years down.

Personally, I'd like to identify as 62yo and start tapping into social security.

Ultimately, who gets to determine the rules and where does it end?
 
So making fun of someone who is proud of his kid is fun? That's kindergarten bully bullshit and sure speaks to your character.
I wasn’t making fun of Crush. He’s just the most vocal of a large number of proud parents here.

I was making fun of you. It’s now 3 1/2 months after the election, and you’re still taking over soccer threads to talk about your losing political candidate.
 
I wasn’t making fun of Crush. He’s just the most vocal of a large number of proud parents here.

I was making fun of you. It’s now 3 1/2 months after the election, and you’re still taking over soccer threads to talk about your losing political candidate.

Well you picked a strange way of posting your opinion. I was responding to Ewok which was my mistake. I shouldn't be responding to his nonsense at all.
 
I wasn’t making fun of Crush. He’s just the most vocal of a large number of proud parents here.

I was making fun of you. It’s now 3 1/2 months after the election, and you’re still taking over soccer threads to talk about your losing political candidate.
It's a political thread my friend...did you read the original post? Elections have consequences. And it's you simple minded babies who solely voted because "Orange Man bad and tweets mean things" who own this, and many other, leftist policies. If his candidate had won...this federal mandate thread would not exist.

You see, true "principled conservatives", and the left, understand that it's actions over personality.

Rest assured, for the next 4 years I will continue to talk about the loss and the garbage and damage you and your ilk ushered in and own.
 
Simple, why didn't your son identify as a year or two younger and he'd be the tallest GK again.

If birth gender is fluid, why not birth year? After all, isn't it compassionate for the undersized kids being dominated and bullied in their birth year group? Wouldn't it "level the playing field" for those born smaller, weaker, and less talented? OR think how one could dominate due to physical difference competing one or two years down.

Personally, I'd like to identify as 62yo and start tapping into social security.

Ultimately, who gets to determine the rules and where does it end?

You’ve embraced the fact that the rules are all arbitrary. That’s a start. Who determines the rules? You’ve asked the fundamental issue of politics and limiting principles. To flip it...why should he be punished for being an August birthday and by what right did they take his being the oldest away.

Again I agree declaring yourself trans doesn’t change your biological gender. But on the other hand we are also talking in most cases about brain structures which in the case of mtf don’t exactly pattern the average male brain. Beyond that everything else is just definitional issues.
 
I'm sure they can come up with a reasonable solution to this so people can live their life as they choose. They have the Special Olympics for athletes with special needs. They have the Para Olympics for athletes with physical disabilities. I'm sure the LBGT community could get lots of sponsors for the TG Olympics. Instead of the current She Believes tournament that is going on they could call it "He's Confused" or something similar.
 
I'm sure they can come up with a reasonable solution to this so people can live their life as they choose. They have the Special Olympics for athletes with special needs. They have the Para Olympics for athletes with physical disabilities. I'm sure the LBGT community could get lots of sponsors for the TG Olympics. Instead of the current She Believes tournament that is going on they could call it "He's Confused" or something similar.
The issue for teams is there won’t be enough t athletes to form a team on a high school or college campus. If you wanted to tier things I suppose you could run testosterone tests even on the biological females (some of which have testosterone spikes for various biological reasons) and classify them into higher and lower testosterone tiers.
 
Simple, why didn't your son identify as a year or two younger and he'd be the tallest GK again.

If birth gender is fluid, why not birth year? After all, isn't it compassionate for the undersized kids being dominated and bullied in their birth year group? Wouldn't it "level the playing field" for those born smaller, weaker, and less talented? OR think how one could dominate due to physical difference competing one or two years down.

Personally, I'd like to identify as 62yo and start tapping into social security.

Ultimately, who gets to determine the rules and where does it end?
Ignoring your sarcasm, you do know that the DA allowed boys to be played down and they had the whole relative age thing going on. Apparently (sic) that doesn't/didn't work on the girls side. I would think they will have the same thing on MLS Next, as the goal is to ID MLS players at 17/18, when they have grown, rather than throw away talent when they haven't grown relative to their peers yet.
 
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