Girls Development Academy

[SpeedK1llz]

As I say to my kids, "you have a lot of words"
Here is my opinion (if I understand what you are saying).
You are saying there will be a successful women's league and when that happens, the DA will be there to start the groundwork for quality Pro level talent. Successful in your opinion is a league that can support itself and pay competitive wages.

NoGoal is saying there will never be a women's league that is a major sports attraction, so college is all there is for most. Some will finish college and go pro, or go pro after being on the WNT.

I think there are two different issues here. First, I think in order for the women's league to be "successful" they really do need to be a major sports attraction (Maybe not NFL, NBA or MLB level, but up there). I think the biggest women's team sport in the US is basketball. We have the best players in the world playing in this league. Yet, they couldn't survive without the support of the NBA. So, going back to your definition of what a successful league is (self supported while offering competitive wages), even the WNBA isn't successful. So, lets say that they just need to have the ability to survive over the foreseeable future and pay competitive wages, like the WNBA.

Then I would think they would need to attach themselves to the MLS. But, that would mean the MLS will need to be a major sports attraction. Because they would need to be big enough to support themselves and a women's league.

As to your next point of the DA providing the framework to the professional league(s), I agree. But, I also think the ECNL as well as USYSA is/ were doing the same thing. I don't believe we have any lack of talent on the women's side of the ball. I also don't see where the DA will provide anything different than what is already out there.

The issue when talking about each of these leagues is, we are talking about "youth" sports, then Pro sports. There needs to be another layer of competition between "youth" sports and the pros (on the women's side). Currently that next layer is college. I think for your vision to become a reality, the NWSL needs to be that next layer and the WMLS needs to be the tip of the pyramid. But, until the MLS reaches the point that it can support itself and a women's league, I don't see it happening. So, the problem is on the men's side of the ball

For my daughter's sake, I hope there is a successful women's league, but I think she will be long out of the sport if/ when it does happen.

Damn it, now I have a lot of words

Well said!

 

[MakeAPlay]

OK SpeedK1llz, here you go...



Sure you want to know Mappy? There is a very limited history of Legends FC G99 v. ECNL teams since the ECNL decided to limit the number of teams that they had to play against starting in the U14 season. But since you asked...in the most recent 11 meetings of Legends v. ECNL teams, Legends FC G99 has had 9 wins and 2 losses. This record does not include our first National Championship victory against the ECNL Michigan Hawks, in which all teams (ECNL, pre-ECNL, EGSL, ECNL Reserve, Pre-ECNL Private Special Grand Reserva, and non-ECNL) participated. These results are from the beginning of the U14 ECNL for this age group, which started following the last true national championship at U13.

As for details:
Beat West Coast ECNL-5/30/2015
Beat Blues ECNL twice, lost once-5/29/2015, 9/2/2013, 1/20/14
Beat Arsenal ECNL twice-8/3/2014, 8/4/2013
Beat Eagles ECNL 1/19/2014
Beat Real So Cal ECNL 9/2/2013
Beat Mustang ECNL 8/31/2013
Beat Strikers ECNL 8/31/2013
Lost to Slammers ECNL 8/5/2013

In a bid for honest and open disclosure, Legends FC G99 also lost to the Blues in a friendly within the past year in which the score was 4-0. I have said many times, they are a good team. ECNL is an acceptable route...but it is not the only route to the next level.

I love it Cali. Defiant to the end. No worries. The great thing about speculation is eventually it can be proven right or wrong. I'm bored with this. You are going to stick with whatever narrative justifies your current position. At the end of the day the only one that has to deal with sleeping in your skin is you. Let's hope that it works out for you and yours. Good luck.

 

[MakeAPlay]

I'm sorry...I didn't notice your qualifier of "repeat" YNT player. So now it is not good enough to produce YNT players, they must be repeat YNT players. These kids are young...give them time.

So are you saying that any player that gets a one time call up to a YNT performs poorly and never gets called back in is something that a club should be proud of? Either is an honor , however, my thinking is that multiple call ins means that the player is performing at a high enough level that they are in the group of players that may actually advance upwards through the ranks. It takes more than a coaches recommendation to get the latter versus the former.

 

[soccerobserver]

Interesting reading...Seeeems like DA is sitting in command in the drivers seat...what happens to ECNL when DA announces two or three seasons from now that they are expanding to 1 team per age/year instead of 1 team per 2 age group/years ?

 

[madcow]

Interesting reading...Seeeems like DA is sitting in command in the drivers seat...what happens to ECNL when DA announces two or three seasons from now that they are expanding to 1 team per age/year instead of 1 team per 2 age group/years ?

Im not sure. But US Soccer confuses me.
Wasn't it USSF that said the best way to develop youth soccer players was to have everyone play with their birth year? Then they turn around and create a league in which they combine 2 age bands? Doesn't that go against what they said was the best soccer practice?
Maybe I misunderstood them.

 

[MessiFTW]

OK SpeedK1llz, here you go...

Ok CaliKlines, here you go.......the great liberal academic institution your daughter is going to be attending....

http://dailycaller.com/2016/07/20/christians-win-in-north-carolina-take-down-university-speech-code/

A Christian group at North Carolina State University (NC State) won a substantial legal victory, as the university agreed to revise a speech code that blocked them from talking to fellow students without a permit.

Until now, NC State’s speech policy included a provision stating that groups had to obtain a permit prior to approaching students, whether it’s for commercial or non-commercial speech.

Grace Christian Life sued the school in April, arguing the policy was selectively enforced in order to keep the group from handing out fliers or inviting students to upcoming events. The group claimed they were first ordered to obtain a permit, and then after doing so, they were told they could only speak with other students if they remained behind a table set up by the group.

NC State defended the permit process, saying it was necessary for maintaining safety and order on campus. (RELATED: NC State Warns That ‘Land Of Opportunity’ Is A Microaggression)

The settlement comes a month after Judge James Dever granted a preliminary injunction against NC State’s speech policy, finding that Grace Christian Life was very likely to succeed in its challenge.

The Alliance Defending Freedom, a conservative legal group that backed the lawsuit, lauded the outcome in a statement.

“Students of any religious, political, or ideological persuasion should be able to freely and peacefully speak with their fellow students about their views without interference from university officials who may prefer one view over another,” the group said in a statement. “NC State did the right thing in revising its policy to reflect this instead of continuing to defend its previous policy, which was not constitutionally defensible.”

 

[Zerodenero]

So are you saying that any player that gets a one time call up to a YNT performs poorly and never gets called back in is something that a club should be proud of? Either is an honor , however, my thinking is that multiple call ins means that the player is performing at a high enough level that they are in the group of players that may actually advance upwards through the ranks. It takes more than a coaches recommendation to get the latter versus the former.

Its interesting Make - so you're probably 100% accurate, yet you've got 4 thumbs down......I bet if the their dd was in the same sitch, perspective would be different, and ya get the thumbs up

That said, one call up to YNT goes a long way outside the top 5-10 soccer schools for recruiting

 

[Zerodenero]

Ok CaliKlines, here you go.......the great liberal academic institution your daughter is going to be attending....

http://dailycaller.com/2016/07/20/christians-win-in-north-carolina-take-down-university-speech-code/

A Christian group at North Carolina State University (NC State) won a substantial legal victory, as the university agreed to revise a speech code that blocked them from talking to fellow students without a permit.

Until now, NC State’s speech policy included a provision stating that groups had to obtain a permit prior to approaching students, whether it’s for commercial or non-commercial speech.

Grace Christian Life sued the school in April, arguing the policy was selectively enforced in order to keep the group from handing out fliers or inviting students to upcoming events. The group claimed they were first ordered to obtain a permit, and then after doing so, they were told they could only speak with other students if they remained behind a table set up by the group.

NC State defended the permit process, saying it was necessary for maintaining safety and order on campus. (RELATED: NC State Warns That ‘Land Of Opportunity’ Is A Microaggression)

The settlement comes a month after Judge James Dever granted a preliminary injunction against NC State’s speech policy, finding that Grace Christian Life was very likely to succeed in its challenge.

The Alliance Defending Freedom, a conservative legal group that backed the lawsuit, lauded the outcome in a statement.

“Students of any religious, political, or ideological persuasion should be able to freely and peacefully speak with their fellow students about their views without interference from university officials who may prefer one view over another,” the group said in a statement. “NC State did the right thing in revising its policy to reflect this instead of continuing to defend its previous policy, which was not constitutionally defensible.”

 

[NoGoal]

Its interesting Make - so you're probably 100% accurate, yet you've got 4 ......I bet if the their dd was in the same sitch, perspective would be different, and ya get the thumbs up

That said, one call up to YNT goes a long way outside the top 5-10 soccer schools for recruiting

ZD, Exactly all it takes is for a DOC to recommend one of their top players to a US Soccer head coach. Even if the player is cycled out after 1 camp. TopDrawerSoccer will then rank the player as a top 150 recruit. The player then gets a ton of recuiting action. The parents after gulping down 5 gallons of the DOC Kool-Aid saying, see what I can do for your DD. The parents are hooked for life.

 

[dfbmike]

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I understand what you are posting, I know about international soccer academies-my stepfather played for the Dortmund Development Youth Division until U17 and told me the entire process when he grow up in Germany.

US Soccer does have a level below MLS.... It's the USL, I recently read aligned with MLS teams and is now considered their minor league. This was created for boys wanting to skip college soccer, yet Jordan Morris played for Stanford and was still drafted and plays for the Sounders. If his career is cut short he always has his Stanford/college degree to fall back on. If being drafted by a MLS team meant millions of money out of HS, then yes he probably would have skipped college like baseball players do....then again, that isn't the case at the present is it?

Yes, I comprehend you are posting about girls dreaming of playing professional women's soccer. The problem still remains there is NO FINANCIAL incentive to skip playing college soccer altogether and make a comfortable living playing professional women's soccer. The only player that gave up her college eligibility was Lindsey Horan and she was a YNT starter. So for non-YNT starters and below....which is probably 99.999999% of the girls playing. It's NOT going to happen. Thus, why I said you are in lala land, which is okay....because, there always needs to be a dreamer in this world.

You are also assuming , US Soccer created a Girls DA league as an alternative route for girls to skip college altogether and play womens soccer professionally. Please post an article that April Heinrich or Jill Ellis stated just that.

NOW for USSDA......there is the huge difference and you should know this. US BOYS and GIRLS DA are NOT fully funded (except MLS teams), where as on the international level (at least) on the boys side it is, inculding smaller professional level 3/4 clubs. I have no clue, if the international girls academies are fully funded, but I would say it is....because, the Euro leagues revenues are in multi-millions and are capable to subsidize a womens team.

ok, now you have my undivided attention
Morris skipped his senior year, partially at the advice of his NT coach and I think it was wise, nagbe skipped a year, pulisic, altidore, shea, agudelo skipped college altogether...pulisic should be ahead of the curve from morris and nagbe as he is playing Bundesliga at 17/18 while Morris and Nagbe played you know, college....lets see how that plays out in comparison as all 3 will be the next wave of hugely improved american players
again this is my personal opinion, but college soccer as it currently stands is a detriment to the development of 18-22 y/o soccer players as compared to the professional players from successful footballing nations, it leaves a huge 3 to 4 year void. heck what is the first thing any college soccer parent will tell you on here? to find a school based on academics not soccer, correct? So is it soccer centric development?
The NCAA don't even give a crap about college soccer, heck they don't even play by fifa rules, a full soccer season cramped into 1 semester?
Lets improve college soccer while we are at it as well, why not.

and as for the assumption, that is 100% correct, that is my assumption and the outlook that i personally have...one would assume US soccer did not create DA just for the hell of it, but with an endgame in mind.
out of 25 original teams selected 6 were NWSL and 2 MLS, i think that is a good start, agreed? now those leagues have to keep expanding, evolving and US soccer has to add additional layers, which they are as you mentioned.

I do understand DA is not fully funded yet, never said it was....those are all things that double pass is currently consulting US Soccer on and trying to resolve. As i've said all along, it is a long process, maybe your stepfather can tell you when european academies were formed, even they still are in the early stages, really.

 

[It won't matter later]

I am late to this. All I have to add are these points:
1.The u17 ECNL Strikers team beat Legends when they played in Surf Cup in summer 2015.
2. At the end of this season, that team had 4 2016 commits, 10 2017 commits and 1 2018 commit. 2 more 2016s declined D1 offers to play JUCO first.
3.The club and ECNL did its job.

CaliKlines you seem to be a good guy interested in your daughter's success. Can you dial back the anti-Strikers message and just focus on being happy you left?

 

[NoGoal]

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ok, now you have my undivided attention
Morris skipped his senior year, partially at the advice of his NT coach and I think it was wise, nagbe skipped a year, pulisic, altidore, shea, agudelo skipped college altogether...pulisic should be ahead of the curve from morris and nagbe as he is playing Bundesliga at 17/18 while Morris and Nagbe played you know, college....lets see how that plays out in comparison as all 3 will be the next wave of hugely improved american players
again this is my personal opinion, but college soccer as it currently stands is a detriment to the development of 18-22 y/o soccer players as compared to the professional players from successful footballing nations, it leaves a huge 3 to 4 year void. heck what is the first thing any college soccer parent will tell you on here? to find a school based on academics not soccer, correct? So is it soccer centric development?
The NCAA don't even give a crap about college soccer, heck they don't even play by fifa rules, a full soccer season cramped into 1 semester?
Lets improve college soccer while we are at it as well, why not.

and as for the assumption, that is 100% correct, that is my assumption and the outlook that i personally have...one would assume US soccer did not create DA just for the hell of it, but with an endgame in mind.
out of 25 original teams selected 6 were NWSL and 2 MLS, i think that is a good start, agreed? now those leagues have to keep expanding, evolving and US soccer has to add additional layers, which they are as you mentioned.

I do understand DA is not fully funded yet, never said it was....those are all things that double pass is currently consulting US Soccer on and trying to resolve. As i've said all along, it is a long process, maybe your stepfather can tell you when european academies were formed, even they still are in the early stages, really.

You are now comparing apples and oranges in regards to the development path between boys and girls! Pulisic is better and will continue to be better than Morris no doubt about that. Better training and competition in Germany as long as he continues to earn playing time there. Proving USSDA Boys is inferior leaving at 16 yrs of age for Dortmund. After a decade of boys USSDA developing 12 yr olds, who are now 22, yet the Mens U23 FAILED to qualify for the Olympics. USDDA sure is progressing the Boys development.

As for women, different environment and where we differ. You assuming, is exactly that assuming.

My stepfather is in his 60s, Dortmund's youth academy has been around before him and he will tell you their German club boys academies are NOT in it's early stages....it was free for him to attend their academy which includes free board and education....duh! Want to hear his exact words, when he asked why parents pay for club soccer? It's STUPID to be paying for soccer, itshould be FREE!

 

[MakeAPlay]

t


ok, now you have my undivided attention
Morris skipped his senior year, partially at the advice of his NT coach and I think it was wise, nagbe skipped a year, pulisic, altidore, shea, agudelo skipped college altogether...pulisic should be ahead of the curve from morris and nagbe as he is playing Bundesliga at 17/18 while Morris and Nagbe played you know, college....lets see how that plays out in comparison as all 3 will be the next wave of hugely improved american players
again this is my personal opinion, but college soccer as it currently stands is a detriment to the development of 18-22 y/o soccer players as compared to the professional players from successful footballing nations, it leaves a huge 3 to 4 year void. heck what is the first thing any college soccer parent will tell you on here? to find a school based on academics not soccer, correct? So is it soccer centric development?
The NCAA don't even give a crap about college soccer, heck they don't even play by fifa rules, a full soccer season cramped into 1 semester?
Lets improve college soccer while we are at it as well, why not.

and as for the assumption, that is 100% correct, that is my assumption and the outlook that i personally have...one would assume US soccer did not create DA just for the hell of it, but with an endgame in mind.
out of 25 original teams selected 6 were NWSL and 2 MLS, i think that is a good start, agreed? now those leagues have to keep expanding, evolving and US soccer has to add additional layers, which they are as you mentioned.

I do understand DA is not fully funded yet, never said it was....those are all things that double pass is currently consulting US Soccer on and trying to resolve. As i've said all along, it is a long process, maybe your stepfather can tell you when european academies were formed, even they still are in the early stages, really.

http://www.goduke.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=4200&ATCLID=211070289


This is the type of decisions that US soccer forces players into. This girl was a starter on the U20 WWC team that won it all in 2012. 4 years later she is done with soccer. It's just the reality of the world that we live in. US soccer is not really trying to change that. To me it seems to simply be paying lip service and trying to do something so that it doesn't look like they are doing nothing. Even if what they are doing is ill conceived.

 

[NoGoal]

I am late to this. All I have to add are these points:
1.The u17 ECNL Strikers team beat Legends when they played in Surf Cup in summer 2015.
2. At the end of this season, that team had 4 2016 commits, 10 2017 commits and 1 2018 commit. 2 more 2016s declined D1 offers to play JUCO first.
3.The club and ECNL did its job.

CaliKlines you seem to be a good guy interested in your daughter's success. Can you dial back the anti-Strikers message and just focus on being happy you left?

And for those who don't know. IWML's DD is committed to a Big10 school!

 

[NoGoalItAll]

I'm still looking for that pre-ECNL Arsenal girls championship. Any help MakeItUp? Where's that article you posted before you got "bored"?

 

[MakeAPlay]

I'm still looking for that pre-ECNL Arsenal girls championship. Any help MakeItUp? Where's that article you posted before you got "bored"?

Hey douche bag. Or should I call you Legends homer. Why don't you focus on how great your club is and how talented your kid is and the amazingly lame school that she is going to. Or are you a coach? If you are JH or ME or any of those other tools or even if you are not, please message me directly and I will be more than happy to put you in your place.

 

[MakeAPlay]

I'm still looking for that pre-ECNL Arsenal girls championship. Any help MakeItUp? Where's that article you posted before you got "bored"?

I see that you blocked your page. Are you afraid of something? Keep hanging with Cali and the Legends clown show. I am way out of your league.

 

[Sped]

Interesting reading...Seeeems like DA is sitting in command in the drivers seat...what happens to ECNL when DA announces two or three seasons from now that they are expanding to 1 team per age/year instead of 1 team per 2 age group/years ?

I don't think it matters. There are still plenty of talented girls who may not make the DA cut who would love to play ECNL.

 

[MessiFTW]

And for those who don't know. IWML's DD is committed to a Big10 school!

I have never seen her play nor do I care to but playing in the Big 10 simply means she is big and borderline fast and lacking technical skill.

 

[NoGoal]

I have never seen her play nor do I care to but playing in the Big 10 simply means she is big and borderline fast and lacking technical skill.

That is so rude and since you haven't seen her play. You should NEVER stereotype a player. Fact is her DD is very good on the ball and passes the ball well and yes I have seen her play.

Rose Lavelle plays for Wisconsin (Big10) and she is as technically as it gets! I have also seen Northwestern play on cable and they also knock the ball on the ground.