If NorCal kicks out every club that travels, there won’t be much left.
MVLA, San Juan, and Mustangs are all listed as confirmed for going to Surf in AZ.
It’s on the main Surf Cup web page.
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MVLA, San Juan, and Mustangs are all listed as confirmed for going to Surf in AZ.
It’s on the main Surf Cup web page.
Losing insurance would be very bad. Good point.
It does not appear that out-of-state travel is a violation of NorCal rules. Norcal recommends against out-of-state travel but I don't see any language that it would constitute a violation of their own rules. Clubs should provide testing for those returning from out-of-state and proof of negative test prior to practicing. This just makes sense and would go a long way in the event the travel was called into question.
MacDre
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Good point. I think the clubs are lucky there hasn’t been a known outbreak. For the clubs that to travel Arizona, I would argue that they are not entitled to insurance coverage because they breached the contract by being grossly negligent by ignoring local mandates and recklessly putting their members in “the zone of danger.”I think you're probably right, as they're all under US Club Soccer, right?
Member Update: Important reminders about returning to play
Dear members, As communities work towards achieving safe and responsible return to play – whether that includes competition or just virtual training – US Club Soccer requires its members to abide by the requirements/mandates established by the applicable local and state public health authorities.www.usclubsoccer.org
Those dates are pretty far out -- perhaps it's a safe bet right now. Maybe they're hoping State guidelines change by then. I mean a simple email to US Club Soccer could probably clear this up. I'm just saying, folks should probably look into it.
Soccerfan2
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Our club is mandating a quarantine period after returning from out of state travel in addition to other procedures before and during travel. Because we are not violating state order and because we are operating within county approved protocols for out of state travel, insurance coverage is not an issue. I doubt any youth clubs have the means to provide testing. The quarantine period is meant to be a workable alternative to that.
I trust you have a sense for what lawyers might argue.
I have a hard time using the phrase "gross negligence" or "in the zone of danger" to describe kids running around after a ball.
Test and quarantine on return sounds reasonable. Sit at home while adults enjoy bars and casinos does not.
MacDre
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A very strong argument can be made that going to AZ to play is deliberate and reckless. Test and quarantine on return is merely mitigating wrongdoing and doesn’t negate the fact that going to Arizona was deliberate and reckless.
I don’t necessarily agree with the analysis but I think clubs need to be careful moving forward. It’s all fun until someone gets hurt.
I don’t understand bars and casinos being open either if that helps.
MSK357
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so of the multiple tournaments in arizona and utah that california parents and soccer kids went to, how many have been infected and or died? anyone have that number?
youthsportsugghhh
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Another question (s) would be are people testing when they get home or quarantining or if no symptoms going about their normal business.
MSK357
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apparently not since the same teams are going back out. Numbers but be low or 0. Definitely not large enough for people to care about tracking. Or else all the kids would be sick and no tournaments would be happening. pretty safe so far.
MacDre
PREMIER
I don’t know. But I can guarantee that if professional teams and leagues are having outbreaks with all of their resources that club soccer will too.
MacDre
PREMIER
I don’t think you’ve presented dispositive proof on the issue. Maybe we are experiencing the “quiet before the storm.”
MSK357
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i dont think kids are sneaking groupies into their bubble like the pros.
Desert Hound
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You know the funny thing about the pros when they get it? Everyone turns out fine.
I was listening to ESPN the other day when a couple of teams had people tested positive.
You know what the concern of ESPN was?
That games would be delayed.
They were also mad that maybe the teams were not following protocol and as such some people tested positive.
They were really wondering if the NFL would have to add in weeks to the schedule because they were sure more cases would arise.
But you know what they didn't mention once? And it is very telling. They didn't once wonder if the people who tested positive were actually in any risk. Why is that? Because they know and we all know at that age group and the shape that these people are in, the risk is basically nil.
If actually testing positive had any real health risks they would have talked about it. As a matter of fact they and others would tell you sports are not worth the risk...if there were any actual risk.
Instead the focus was on delays since they know in a week or 2 all those guys will be cleared and will be fine.
Just watch the next time someone on a pro team or a college team tests positive. They will not wonder about the actual health of the person, but will focus on the only negative aspect of it which is a missed or delayed game.
Do younger siblings count as groupies?
MSK357
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I guess, but different kind of germs.
pizza between games
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I think it is foolish to assume other states opened up without any medical analysis of such things. We aren't open for political reasons, not covid reasons. If you believe otherwise maybe turn off the TV and get in touch with reality.
Cohorts
Keepermom2
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Coming home from Arizona would not require quarantining because Arizona as a whole and Phoenix specifically is the same risk as Orange County and San Diego counties and the State as a whole, but less of a risk than San Bernadino, Riverside, and LA counties. Utah and Nevada right now are different stories and quarantining would be appropriate.
We’ll still quarantine when we get back from any tournament or scrimmage. It is easy enough to do, and I don’t want to be the guy who kicked off another outbreak.
Besides, traveling is always higher exposure than being at home. Even if living in Phoenix is the same risk as living in CA, travel to Phoenix is higher risk than living in CA.