Vaccine

My oldest is fully vaccinated as is his wife. They now both have covid. My daughter in law is finally recovering after a week of being bed ridden, my son is dealing with a persistent cough and sore throat. Oh..and they both had Covid back in 2019. Daughter in law is reacting the same as she did in 19' while my son is reacting much better.
 
My oldest is fully vaccinated as is his wife. They now both have covid. My daughter in law is finally recovering after a week of being bed ridden, my son is dealing with a persistent cough and sore throat. Oh..and they both had Covid back in 2019. Daughter in law is reacting the same as she did in 19' while my son is reacting much better.
Both tested and confirmed both now and in 19? If not lots of people have been falling ill with flu, rsv, adenoviruses and other corona (my bestie was confirmed a week ago with another Rona virus)

But in any case, the data out of Israel seems to indicate that while the vaccine is effective in preventing hospitalization and death, it may be as low as 40% effective in preventing illness. If so we are nearing the point where the authorities will have to admit the vaccine had failed at least as sold (that it would end this thing). Two possible futures: this ends with govts declaring the unvaccinated a public menace and once eu approval removed dragging them (including y’all’s kids) kicking and screaming into vaccination, or we just accept we’re all going to get it and move on.
 
Both tested and confirmed both now and in 19? If not lots of people have been falling ill with flu, rsv, adenoviruses and other corona (my bestie was confirmed a week ago with another Rona virus)

But in any case, the data out of Israel seems to indicate that while the vaccine is effective in preventing hospitalization and death, it may be as low as 40% effective in preventing illness. If so we are nearing the point where the authorities will have to admit the vaccine had failed at least as sold (that it would end this thing). Two possible futures: this ends with govts declaring the unvaccinated a public menace and once eu approval removed dragging them (including y’all’s kids) kicking and screaming into vaccination, or we just accept we’re all going to get it and move on.
Then we consider the whole story.....

"Israel is averaging about 120 weekly hospital admissions, which is down from a peak of nearly 2,000 in January. So while cases are less than one-tenth of what they were then, hospitalizations are about one-sixteenth. And admissions to the intensive care unit are about one-twentieth, according to data collected by the University of Oxford. "

"All told, Israeli government data show the Pfizer vaccine is indeed significantly less effective at preventing coronavirus cases of the delta variant (64 percent) than it was for previous variants (95 percent). It’s also significantly less effective at preventing symptomatic cases (64 percent vs. 97 percent). But it performs much more similarly when it comes to preventing serious cases and hospitalization (93 percent vs. 97.5 percent). "

Wouldn't it be great if news outlets put forth all of the information instead of just the information that fits either their narrative or gets them ratings?!
 
At what point will a country just stop the all vaxs?

"Dr. Karen L. Furie, chair of the Department of Neurology at Brown’s Warren Alpert Medical School, served as lead author of the report, which synthesized existing data from more than 81 million patients and found that risk of developing CVST blood clots is eight to 10 times higher following a COVID-19 infection as compared to the risk associated with receipt of a COVID-19 vaccine. "
 
Then we consider the whole story.....

"Israel is averaging about 120 weekly hospital admissions, which is down from a peak of nearly 2,000 in January. So while cases are less than one-tenth of what they were then, hospitalizations are about one-sixteenth. And admissions to the intensive care unit are about one-twentieth, according to data collected by the University of Oxford. "

"All told, Israeli government data show the Pfizer vaccine is indeed significantly less effective at preventing coronavirus cases of the delta variant (64 percent) than it was for previous variants (95 percent). It’s also significantly less effective at preventing symptomatic cases (64 percent vs. 97 percent). But it performs much more similarly when it comes to preventing serious cases and hospitalization (93 percent vs. 97.5 percent). "

Wouldn't it be great if news outlets put forth all of the information instead of just the information that fits either their narrative or gets them ratings?!
Yes but this forces us to make a choice…the wishful thinking that it’s pretty much behind us as of July 4 is over. Cases numbers are going to rise, as are hospitalizations since anyone admitted with covid for another reason such as giving birth will be counted as hospitalized since such individuals must be monitored but deaths are on the floor. On the one hand, we can shut schools and resume lockdowns but then what’s the end game…the thing is going to keep mutating and people are going to get it…are we prepared to rob kids of multiple years of their short childhoods and continue these disruptions for several years. On the other hand we resume life as normal knowing deaths esp among the unvaccinated will be comparable to a bad flu season. And a spectrum of in between.

The other thing is even with these breakthrough cases the unvaccinated are being painted as a threat to the vaccinated even though the virus would continue to circulate based on the Israeli numbers even with 100% vaccination not to mention the rest of the world won’t be vaccinated until 2023. When eu approval is removed and the vaccine gets full approval, this gets really nasty.
 
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