Vaccine

I'm going to pull a @Grace T. here, but I was in GATE. I don't think dumbing down public education is a great direction, but there were serious problems with GATE when I was in it. Primarily, the parents of all the GATE kids were high motivated and deeply involved in their kids lives. There was an inherent inequality about that. So I can see where @MacDre is coming from.

Bringing this back to vaccines, first, I want to say that this entire thread has been incredibly entertaining (in a good way). While I don't agree with a lot of what many you have to say, I'm sure we could knock back a beer or two and laugh about it. In a couple of weeks when we're getting our youngers vaccinated I will, no doubt, be thinking of you all.
Let's get it back on track. Why vaccinate them?
 

met61

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I'm going to pull a @Grace T. here, but I was in GATE. I don't think dumbing down public education is a great direction, but there were serious problems with GATE when I was in it. Primarily, the parents of all the GATE kids were high motivated and deeply involved in their kids lives. There was an inherent inequality about that. So I can see where @MacDre is coming from.

Bringing this back to vaccines, first, I want to say that this entire thread has been incredibly entertaining (in a good way). While I don't agree with a lot of what many you have to say, I'm sure we could knock back a beer or two and laugh about it. In a couple of weeks when we're getting our youngers vaccinated I will, no doubt, be thinking of you all.
...fools rush in where angels fear to tread.

 
Because our kids also get the flu shot every year. I see no real fundamental difference here. Had our kids contracted covid in the last 6 months I "might" have a different perspective.
Err…the flu is a lot more dangerous to the kids than covid is. That’s not really a rational rationale.

and why 6 months….studies have found those who fell ill in March 2020 still have antibodies.

flu shot has also been around a lot longer, has a much more extensive test base and a long in depth protocol for who is excluded as contraindicated
 

met61

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You're referencing failures that are a result of neglect that happened well before high school. Our schools, are failing kids big time. I don't blame teachers or the schools for this, but rather the lack of funding (at least in CA). I can remember when I was in public schools in SoCal there were hardly any private schools. Maybe a parochial school here and there (I see you Mater Dei). I actually have no idea what the landscape looks like now down there, but in NorCal, it's pretty insane how many private schools there are.
...funding is adequate, unions are the problem.
 
I'm going to pull a @Grace T. here, but I was in GATE. I don't think dumbing down public education is a great direction, but there were serious problems with GATE when I was in it. Primarily, the parents of all the GATE kids were high motivated and deeply involved in their kids lives. There was an inherent inequality about that. So I can see where @MacDre is coming from.

Bringing this back to vaccines, first, I want to say that this entire thread has been incredibly entertaining (in a good way). While I don't agree with a lot of what many you have to say, I'm sure we could knock back a beer or two and laugh about it. In a couple of weeks when we're getting our youngers vaccinated I will, no doubt, be thinking of you all.
Yeah, the GATE program is really not a program per se as we experienced it. Basically just another standardized test designation. I'm not sure why they bother doing it actually. It's been interesting-painful at times-watching my kid try to navigate the nerdy academic kids he's akin to on one side, and the largely different socio-economic set of please notice how cool I am soccer kids on the other. Interfacing with both. Belonging to neither. But that's a keeper for you.
 
And FYI, one of my favorite players in TJ is a fat kid that dances like a ballerina when he receives the ball
IMO this is a top shelf answer to a rather elitist reply. There was this kid on the U16 team my son switched to, often played as a left back but better as a holding mid IMO. Genetics, lifestyle, whatever, big framed and heavy. But with the sweetest right foot and a head for a great pass out of the backfield. I have footage somewhere of him looking like he's getting caught out but turning as the ball came over his shoulder and volleying a pass that totally split the defense for a goal. My son learned a lot by taking direct kicks from him. He could make the ball do things in the air and it helped him learn how to track spin and dip. But by U17 the speed of the game, along with new coaching, made him not a fit and he got cut. I know it hurt the kid; the game teaches crueler lessons as you go along. Whatever "elite" is, that's true for almost everybody.
 
I’ll point out it’s the same issue with club soccer. Highly motivated parents that push their kids and ready to drop thousand of dollars for them to play. The VERY SAME ISSUE.
"Pay to play" in soccer & "pay to school" for the elitist we all know. They can;t even hide it.....lol!!! These parents are not only motivated, they got cash too and where I'm from, cash is King!!!
 
Back to the Vaccine and the Bat Lady, Shi Zhengi, WHO is the top Wuhan researcher has been busted by unearthed lab docs showing her isolating the Rona strain for "direct human infection....." This is smoke gun folks. Bat lady is busted. Bio weapon?

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A message from Alec. BTW, I gave up "Tel A Vision a long time ago." I knew it was trying to make my brain weak and soft and all warm and fussy and like cottage cheese.

 
Err…the flu is a lot more dangerous to the kids than covid is. That’s not really a rational rationale.

and why 6 months….studies have found those who fell ill in March 2020 still have antibodies.

flu shot has also been around a lot longer, has a much more extensive test base and a long in depth protocol for who is excluded as contraindicated
Do you let your children eat fast food?
 
IMO this is a top shelf answer to a rather elitist reply. There was this kid on the U16 team my son switched to, often played as a left back but better as a holding mid IMO. Genetics, lifestyle, whatever, big framed and heavy. But with the sweetest right foot and a head for a great pass out of the backfield. I have footage somewhere of him looking like he's getting caught out but turning as the ball came over his shoulder and volleying a pass that totally split the defense for a goal. My son learned a lot by taking direct kicks from him. He could make the ball do things in the air and it helped him learn how to track spin and dip. But by U17 the speed of the game, along with new coaching, made him not a fit and he got cut. I know it hurt the kid; the game teaches crueler lessons as you go along. Whatever "elite" is, that's true for almost everybody.
Seen that with my daughters teams. A couple of the girls she played with were a bit heavy set but played lights out. Their ability, feel for the game, even their speed was beyond the others but as they all aged and moved up in competition at 16-17 they didn’t fit the mold.
Pity too as they are great girls from difficult family lives who deserved to be allowed to compete but we’re eventually overshadowed by the ones with more resources and pushy parents, politics.
 

MacDre

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The kid? You think it’s only one kid in Algebra who doesn’t know their times tables?

Go volunteer at your high school's tutoring center.

10-20% of the class will have trouble with 8x7 or 9x6.

About half will have trouble with integer long division.

More than 80% will have trouble adding fractions.

You gonna put all 80% on an IEP?
I didn’t realize the situation was this bad. Do you think the problem is Everyday Math/Fuzzy Math?

I noticed that when my kid was in preschool damn near all elementary schools were doing Fuzzy Math; no need to learn math facts…drill and kill doesn’t make kids feel good and math facts will be learned by using calculators and solving problems.
 
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