Surf Players Being Discouraged from playing HS?

A few years in and I’m starting to believe HS is about as pay to play and corrupt as club is, with the have and have not programs, but without the ability to “club hop” the hell away from your circumstances.
What is that based on?
 

Desert Hound

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So if ECNL girls don't play High School, would they just practice with their club team since there are no ECNL games scheduled?
It depends on the club. At the club my DD is at from mid Nov to early Jan they have a lot of college players come in and practice. So the few girls not playing HS practice and do scrimmages with them. My DD loves it.
 
A few years in and I’m starting to believe HS is about as pay to play and corrupt as club is, with the have and have not programs, but without the ability to “club hop” the hell away from your circumstances.
All of my kids got introduced to older social circles through HS soccer teammates. Some of those Senior/Junior-Freshman/Soph relationships were very impactful on them in a positive way. Now they serve as the upper classmen mentors and carry on the tradition.

We all remember HS. When a Junior asks you to sit with them at lunch or a Senior invites you for coffee or ice cream after a practice with other Seniors, big confidence boost and elevates your child's standing among the other Freshmen. Now, they get invited into new Snap circles or other digital friend-groups. It sounds silly, of course, but in the HS world, we all know friendships and social circles are some of the most important and lasting experiences. The dynamic will similarly play out in college. Great to have that experience with 3yr older teammates already.

Adults should not take this decision away from teenagers. They are quite capable and have earned the right to choose for themselves whether to play HS soccer. Keep your opinions to yourself. Let them choose. And certainly do not let a club coach or US Soccer rep influence their decision--that's way outside their lane.
 
Adults should not take this decision away from teenagers. They are quite capable and have earned the right to choose for themselves whether to play HS soccer. Keep your opinions to yourself. Let them choose. And certainly do not let a club coach or US Soccer rep influence their decision--that's way outside their lane.
Agree. If my daughter would have wanted to play HS, I would have been fine with it.
 
And for those parents at Surf and other clubs already discouraging HS--you need to be more proactive. Your child needs to hear from you that if they want to play HS, you are okay with it and will support them 100%, regardless of what others are doing/saying at the club. Tell them that their opinion and thought on this issue is the ONLY one that matters, and that every player's soccer (and high school) journey is unique. "Do what YOU want to do."
 

dreamz

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I will take that bet. Surf’s best shot at ECNL championship is the 2006 Girls, and Deza is not even allowed to work with them! L Hunt is the gaffer and does a great job with the ‘06s. Deza’s only full time team is the 07’s. He has changed the way they play and it takes time—lately their results are not good.
Surf, in its prime, was a train 2-3 days a week juggernaut of a club. Players played high school. They would have a month off in the winter and a month of in the summer after Surf Cup. No one wanted to play Surf. Everyone wanted to play for Surf. The difference was the coaching. Things are over the top now and the teams are going backwards. Keeping it simple brought results. Making it more difficult and having questionable staff is bringing the program down. It's sad to see when the once mighty start to fall.
 
High school soccer is garbage. From my personal experience in a CIF-LA league, the teams are never built to full potential. You have talented kids who get grade cut (which in my opinion is the dumbest thing ever), you have coaches who show favoritism to players who are sometimes absolutely terrible but because they were in JV the years before they get an automatic spot. Nobody watches the games, sometimes not even the players families because it’s on a school day where they might be at work. And last but not least you have coaches who keep their jobs every year even though they have terrible results because of seniority. I compare HS Soccer to playing CSL Bronze maybe Silver if we’re being generous.
In my opinion it sounds like the OP is just trying to stir something up because this is Surfs choice. If a kid wants to play HS soccer then leave Surf simple as that. But don’t go saying “oh I thought ECNL said HS soccer is okay so why is surf saying to not do it” because like I said that’s the clubs personal choice.
 
And if we’re honest, a lot of college soccer is a continuation of high school soccer. Yes, club players make up the bulk of college teams, but college play looks more like high school play. Uncreative play, long balls, poor first touch, no subtlety and anticipation, linking passes.

ok, top tier college play is much better than that, but the bulk is pretty shaky.
 

lafalafa

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High school soccer is garbage. From my personal experience in a CIF-LA league, the teams are never built to full potential. You have talented kids who get grade cut (which in my opinion is the dumbest thing ever), you have coaches who show favoritism to players who are sometimes absolutely terrible but because they were in JV the years before they get an automatic spot. Nobody watches the games, sometimes not even the players families because it’s on a school day where they might be at work. And last but not least you have coaches who keep their jobs every year even though they have terrible results because of seniority. I compare HS Soccer to playing CSL Bronze maybe Silver if we’re being generous.
In my opinion it sounds like the OP is just trying to stir something up because this is Surfs choice. If a kid wants to play HS soccer then leave Surf simple as that. But don’t go saying “oh I thought ECNL said HS soccer is okay so why is surf saying to not do it” because like I said that’s the clubs personal choice.
City league is not that great but that Birmingham team did make it to the finals in regionals and lost in overtime in a very close game.

CIF-SS section is pretty good and most of the D1-D3 are packed with club players. The Jesuit schools can be like All star club teams, they recruit, have large rosters, and up to 5 paid coaches most of which are club coaches also.

My kids HS games would sell out the stands during the playoffs every year, they had more fans at those games vs what most college soccer do during regular season outside students that get in free and happen to be on campus.

There is nothing like playing for your home town, getting cheered on by her fellow students, friends, neighbors and hosting a banner that will be hanging forever. The friendships, experiences, and memories of high school last long after you graduate.
 
The social aspect of HS sports is its big "win" over club soccer.
Most Euro coaches that coach club can;t understand HSS and I get that. They watch and cringe and so do I at times, I wont lie. But college is rough too. Its aall a cross between roller derby and rugby but with cleats and a ball. Refs are not making calls and this type of play is allowed. The things they say to each other too is insane. The social aspects as a Fr for my dd and playing with Seniors and being invited to a SR party is super rad. The Seniors even came and woke my dd up at 5am and took her to breakfast before school. They also made her where a varsity boys jerseys and dressed her up like him and wear make up all over and just super fun stuff. We always have a packed house at our home games. Try playing Los Al on the road or Newport. Packed house with music before the games.
 

lafalafa

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Most Euro coaches that coach club can;t understand HSS and I get that. They watch and cringe and so do I at times, I wont lie. But college is rough too. Its aall a cross between roller derby and rugby but with cleats and a ball. Refs are not making calls and this type of play is allowed. The things they say to each other too is insane. The social aspects as a Fr for my dd and playing with Seniors and being invited to a SR party is super rad. The Seniors even came and woke my dd up at 5am and took her to breakfast before school. They also made her where a varsity boys jerseys and dressed her up like him and wear make up all over and just super fun stuff. We always have a packed house at our home games. Try playing Los Al on the road or Newport. Packed house with music before the games.
Not usual to see club head coaches as assistants at a high school and/or colleges. The better ones know how to get the best out of each environment and play a consistent attractive style.

Pocession style is the most difficult to play all the time and some just don't have the patience for it. Long ball, running and gunning is what you see more in HS but that can be entertaining and fun, rather lose 6-5 vs 1-0 any day time deal.

College game is super physical and they really let them play. Still not as much procession as you might see in a USL 2 or semi league but more vs what you seen in high school. Speed of play is incredible on college, everything is like 1, 2 touch..
 
Not usual to see club head coaches as assistants at a high school and/or colleges. The better ones know how to get the best out of each environment and play a consistent attractive style.

Pocession style is the most difficult to play all the time and some just don't have the patience for it. Long ball, running and gunning is what you see more in HS but that can be entertaining if you like offense.

College game is super physical and they really let them play. Still not as much procession as you might see I'm a USL 2 or semi league but more vs what you see in high school. Speed of play is incredible on college, everything is like 1, 2 touch..
Great stuff.
 
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