Surf Players Being Discouraged from playing HS?

soccer4us

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"Contracts" with minors are hard to enforce.
I was kidding but threat of spot for some players I guess could be the contract indirectly. Will be interesting how it plays out. I could be wrong but I don't think many of his old 04 Quakes team played HS soccer until after he left to SD. Very possible some of the girls made the choice themselves
 
Just to clarify a few things from yesterday's excitement. I as in the father for dd would have driven 1 hour and half max to chase the dream back in the day. My dd told me last night she would never give up playing HSS for anyone and it's super fun and she can;t wait for her Sr season. I just like watching girls play possession soccer, work together and pass the rock around and tire out the opponent and stay away from injuries :)
 

MacDre

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I’m copying and pasting this from the comment section on a Soccer America article. Discuss.
frank schoon replied, September 21, 2021 at 10:56 a.m.
John, CP gets hurt because his upbringing in German soccer, especially at Dortmunt, is one of turbo. CP relies more on Turbo, his first reaction with the ball is that not thinking how he can bring his opponent off-balance or what can I do to take advantage of his weakness. CP allows himself to be placed to get hurt as, for example he comes back to midfield to collect the ball when instead he should take advantage of his 1v1 when staying as deep as possible. He needs to position himself better ,like not receiving the ball with his back to opponents for example. He is not build to take these onslaughts and therefore he has to play smarter, positionwise....

With Reyna, his position ,to me, is not on the wing, he's not a winger, he's very predictable in his movements by going always inside and thus easier defend against and get him hurt. I think his position has not been finalized as to where he best should play, perhaps more between the lines but than he needs to be a little quicker as soon as he receives the ball; for I see him a lot times waiting for the ball, not knowing what he should do next, quickly, thus allowing the opponent to tackle him and get him hurt. The style of the US game is not sophisticated enough, not quick enough, technically speaking, to be able to handle the ball movement wise, lacking smarts, like the hispanics, and thereby invites unable to avoid the garbage of play occuring we see at Concacaf.

It was interesting but watching ,I think Amazon, the Dortmunt video with coach that was previous fired. His first words that came out of his mouth was, run, run ,run....I'm sorry John, I thought the Germans were beginning to wise up after the WC of 2002 for they realized their style of turbo, physsical soccer had to change and become more modern. They did, they improved ball possession, passing, etc...They began to copy a lot of the Dutch training techniques, van Gaal became coach of Bayern, later Guardiola...Bayern became the flag ship of good soccer ,the WC'14 showedcased German soccer modern style and the reason was that the team carried 6 Bayern players on the field who were trained by Guardiola and gave the Brazilians a lesson in soccer...

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MacDre

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frank schoon, September 21, 2021 at 11:39 a.m.

It was joy to watch the Germans play in WC'14. The dutch who were going through their doldrums complained that the Germans were playing the "dutch school" of soccer better than we do....
Guardiola left Bayern and things began to waterdown in German soccer, elements such as running ,turbo, fighting are a basic DNA in German soccer and these elements are seeping back in. It is in the German mentality, like the English.

Guardiola in his book stated even though it took him a lot of hard work to change the German mentality by playing more positional games, allowing the ball do the running instead of the player,
the players would come up to him and asked him to allow them to do lots of running, they were missing their turbo. It is something you can't change for it has become part of their soccer culture for so long.

You mentioned speed can't be coached. True, but you see speed as physical thing and I look at speed as a mental thing to further improve. You can't outrun the ball, there will always someone faster no matter how fast one is, so what can you do to improve speed. It is speed of handling the ball, which Reyna should work on, speed of thinking, like a move or two ahead, the speed and/or accuracy of the pass and to the right foot. Speed as related to how you receive the ball, the angle and in what position. Or for example you increase the speed of the game or tempo rather by moving to the ball and receiving it in motion. You know how few players execute this. Just watch the WNT, all receive while standing still. Speed to so many is seen as outrunning the opponent where actually moving to the ball gives you a step on the opponent and that is only what you need for continuity of play. Speed is that extra step you gain that allows you just that extra time , if you have a step ahead, to execut what is next. It is like a shorter player can outhead a taller...how can that happen? That can happen if you think being taller makes you a better header. The same with the use of speed...

The players you named are all Turbo. I wouldn't put Ronaldo there for he has a brain ,is smart, calculating, and picks his spot and is quick, but he doesn't outrun players. Mbappe , is brainless, his first reaction, is like a horse that opened the barn door. He wouldn't know what to do if he played against a team that parks the bus, Haaland, idem ditto. Werner has his problems...

John the problem I find today in soccer is that it left the Barcelona sophisticated phase where midfielders were small ,technical, smart, who knew how to handle a ball, and allow the ball do the running. We have gone back to counter attacking soccer that takes less brains, more turbo. It is what it is and we have gone back to a more simplistic soccer which is fine but I yearn for a little more intelligence again....
 

BIGD

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frank schoon, September 21, 2021 at 11:39 a.m.

It was joy to watch the Germans play in WC'14. The dutch who were going through their doldrums complained that the Germans were playing the "dutch school" of soccer better than we do....
Guardiola left Bayern and things began to waterdown in German soccer, elements such as running ,turbo, fighting are a basic DNA in German soccer and these elements are seeping back in. It is in the German mentality, like the English.

Guardiola in his book stated even though it took him a lot of hard work to change the German mentality by playing more positional games, allowing the ball do the running instead of the player,
the players would come up to him and asked him to allow them to do lots of running, they were missing their turbo. It is something you can't change for it has become part of their soccer culture for so long.

You mentioned speed can't be coached. True, but you see speed as physical thing and I look at speed as a mental thing to further improve. You can't outrun the ball, there will always someone faster no matter how fast one is, so what can you do to improve speed. It is speed of handling the ball, which Reyna should work on, speed of thinking, like a move or two ahead, the speed and/or accuracy of the pass and to the right foot. Speed as related to how you receive the ball, the angle and in what position. Or for example you increase the speed of the game or tempo rather by moving to the ball and receiving it in motion. You know how few players execute this. Just watch the WNT, all receive while standing still. Speed to so many is seen as outrunning the opponent where actually moving to the ball gives you a step on the opponent and that is only what you need for continuity of play. Speed is that extra step you gain that allows you just that extra time , if you have a step ahead, to execut what is next. It is like a shorter player can outhead a taller...how can that happen? That can happen if you think being taller makes you a better header. The same with the use of speed...

The players you named are all Turbo. I wouldn't put Ronaldo there for he has a brain ,is smart, calculating, and picks his spot and is quick, but he doesn't outrun players. Mbappe , is brainless, his first reaction, is like a horse that opened the barn door. He wouldn't know what to do if he played against a team that parks the bus, Haaland, idem ditto. Werner has his problems...

John the problem I find today in soccer is that it left the Barcelona sophisticated phase where midfielders were small ,technical, smart, who knew how to handle a ball, and allow the ball do the running. We have gone back to counter attacking soccer that takes less brains, more turbo. It is what it is and we have gone back to a more simplistic soccer which is fine but I yearn for a little more intelligence again....
Hard to argue with Frank. Spot on.
 
Hey Dre, you know you hit the nail on the head when they call you a troll. They ((the same folks)) called me a club hopper, Barney, moron, on meds, crazy father who ruined any chance for his player to be recruited, sour grapes dad, living in the past and living through my dd accomplishments because I had zero, medal chaser, troll as well btw, avatar changer, threaten by other posters on here not have dd attend school where EOTL lives, better turn around and not run into the wrong dads at Silver Lakes and I better or should just go away and bury myself before someone buries me. I love life by the way Dre so If i do get whacked, you will know why. I am not afraid of the big bad wolf who only cheats, deceives, lies and destroy others in the process so their kids can win. I am a Scorpio and I will get the last sting in, trust me.
 

MacDre

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Hey Dre, you know you hit the nail on the head when they call you a troll. They ((the same folks)) called me a club hopper, Barney, moron, on meds, crazy father who ruined any chance for his player to be recruited, sour grapes dad, living in the past and living through my dd accomplishments because I had zero, medal chaser, troll as well btw, avatar changer, threaten by other posters on here not have dd attend school where EOTL lives, better turn around and not run into the wrong dads at Silver Lakes and I better or should just go away and bury myself before someone buries me. I love life by the way Dre so If i do get whacked, you will know why. I am not afraid of the big bad wolf who only cheats, deceives, lies and destroy others in the process so their kids can win. I am a Scorpio and I will get the last sting in, trust me.
Don’t worry because the devil is a lie. You are a child of God and protected. MOB homie!
Money Over Bullshit!!! I have a dedication for you pal:
 
Don’t worry because the devil is a lie. You are a child of God and protected. MOB homie!
Money Over Bullshit!!! I have a dedication for you pal:
That is nice ride Dre and yes, The "MOB" is real and the devil is in the details. Equality for all, right? No peace until justice is served for all peeps.
 

Carlsbad7

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My dad bought a Ford Pinto Carlsbad 7. No joke. Thank God no one hit us in the rear because those cars blew up on impact.

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I had a "friend" come by my house to show off the new $100 car he has just bought. It was a Ford Pinto and the entire interior was burned out. Looks like someone had just replaced some of the hoses and pulled out the dents. I looked him when he asked me if I wanted a ride and said "you're driving a Ford Pinto and the interior is completely burned up. I understand that $100 is a good deal for a running car but there's no way I'm ever getting in that car." How many hints do some people need that what they're doing isn't safe? Also, who spends the time to make a completely unsafe car run again after it obviously had already blown up one time.
 
I had a "friend" come by my house to show off the new $100 car he has just bought. It was a Ford Pinto and the entire interior was burned out. Looks like someone had just replaced some of the hoses and pulled out the dents. I looked him when he asked me if I wanted a ride and said "you're driving a Ford Pinto and the interior is completely burned up. I understand that $100 is a good deal for a running car but there's no way I'm ever getting in that car." How many hints do some people need that what they're doing isn't safe? Also, who spends the time to make a completely unsafe car run again after it obviously had already blown up one time.
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This is insane!! I knew some dudes at Troy High School my senior year that spent all day in garages fixing up honda civics and dumb ass cars and they would want to race me over by CSUF. I had a Buick Regal btw and it kicked their asses most of time. I dont get car stuff because my brain dont think that way. I always go to auto repair dude thinking about these guys. I played sports or was in the water all day, not making dumb cars look even dumber. To each his own, right?
 

NorCalUSN

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Here is a different take on this original post. Up here in Norcal, (this is second hand so take it with a grain of salt) my daughter told me about an ECNL/ENRL club that is so stacked for talent at the 04 level, even if the 04 ECRL girls wanted to play for their high school team there would not be a roster spot. This HS team is crammed Seniors unless they were allowed/wanted to play (little fuzzy if they are allowed to) on the JV team they would be season long bench warmers for the HS team. So the club team looks like their outlet/option this season.
 

NorCalUSN

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I can see both sides of the argument for HSS. My daughters are 10th and 12th grade. My 04 has played club and HSS all four years. My 10th grader (who is IR for the rest of the year with ACL Reconstruction Rehab) has played club and 5 games of last year's abbreviated COVID 19 Season here in NORCAL. My 04, is a grinder, she has the size and core to give as good as she gets in the HS game where competitors range from "elite" to "Rugby-lite" My 06, is more a fit with the Deza school of touch and movement and definitely not carrying the weight or size of her older sister. 06 is pretty quick and avoids most but some of the opponent team girls just don't have the experience and my wife and I worry about 06 getting hurt against the "rugby-lite" teams. My 06 girl, even with the ACL setback, has a very bright future and we question the benefit of the HS game when the CONs so heavily outweigh the PROs come 22-23 and 23-24 HS season.
 
I can see both sides of the argument for HSS. My daughters are 10th and 12th grade. My 04 has played club and HSS all four years. My 10th grader (who is IR for the rest of the year with ACL Reconstruction Rehab) has played club and 5 games of last year's abbreviated COVID 19 Season here in NORCAL. My 04, is a grinder, she has the size and core to give as good as she gets in the HS game where competitors range from "elite" to "Rugby-lite" My 06, is more a fit with the Deza school of touch and movement and definitely not carrying the weight or size of her older sister. 06 is pretty quick and avoids most but some of the opponent team girls just don't have the experience and my wife and I worry about 06 getting hurt against the "rugby-lite" teams. My 06 girl, even with the ACL setback, has a very bright future and we question the benefit of the HS game when the CONs so heavily outweigh the PROs come 22-23 and 23-24 HS season.
Exactly...so the club should be agnostic re playing HS. Many players LOVE playing HS. Others don't have an interest. Let players and families decide what they want to do without repercussion or hints that it is disfavored. The DA rule was wrong. If Surf is discouraging, even ever so slightly, that is just as wrong and unfortunate. But we already know they're not a player/family-centric club. So, no surprise.
 
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