Surf ENCL vs. Slammers Koge

Damn talk about a thread going off track.... I just wanted to hear people bitch about LAFC and Surf ( they will always be LAFC to me)
Also, am I the only dumbass who took a full 5 minutes to realize wtf XC was???
 
Soccerfan2 said:
Over time on this forum, I have read your comments indicating that:
- It’s racist that Wasserman represents Moultrie but won’t return your calls after your daughter was moved up to practice with the U15 and occasionally U17 LaLiga feminil teams at Xolos (you called this “going pro”). To bolster this argument you told us all how Cal posted your kid on their Instagram after a kiddie camp.
- YNT is a waste of time and you are only interested in your daughter going straight to the full national team or playing for one of the several other countries’ YNT teams that your she qualifies for
- NCAA soccer is beneath you
- Club soccer in the US is beneath you
- Anyone who doesn’t get a college degree by 16 is slacking
- US soccer should be expected to come to Mexico and scout your 11 year old early for the U14 YNT

When you reflect back on all that, can you see the ridiculousness yet?

If she loves soccer, what if you just take your kid to your local club tryouts and let her be a kid and play as several people who know this sport well have advised? It sounds to me like you’ve got a bunch of excuses why not. What’s the real barrier?? It’s a game to be enjoyed for fun. If she works hard and kicks everyone’s ass it’ll all emerge as you wish in due time. If her talent exceeds the rest of her environment, you’ll find some new doors to open. Better test that out first though. 13 is still pretty young!

Yes, that’s all meant to be very conclusory.

Side note: my kid doesn’t often run outside of soccer practice or games anymore and she can sure as heck handle 90 minutes plus at full speed and exceed the college level beep test standard. She ran XC in middle school and won the league but never practiced with XC team as she got plenty of load at club soccer practice and we wanted her to avoid overuse.
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I love haters. Why are you misconstruing my post and avoiding my questions? Based on your comments, I don’t think you are an authority on talent development.

My kid is having fun meeting new people outside of soccer while continuing to move forward in her soccer development. Is club soccer the only way to have fun, be a kid and meet new people?

I have serious concerns about the benefits of club soccer. I think it’s dangerous. I think bad habits will be picked up. My complaint is not Mexico vs. US. My complaint is male vs. female. My kid played with all boys up until recently and I think the way females play is seriously lacking.

My kid is familiar with all of the clubs in close proximity to my house. I am looking for the best environment for my kid and that requires nit picking analysis. I have a few question for you.

Do you think the coaches in the letter leagues with their fancy licenses are very limited in what they can teach tactically because the vast majority of the players don’t have the requisite skill set for basic tactics?

How does your kid stay so fit? Is the information that I posted upthread by Dorrance about doing fitness outside of practice bad info?
 
MacDre said:
I love haters. Why are you misconstruing my post and avoiding my questions? Based on your comments, I don’t think you are an authority on talent development.

My kid is having fun meeting new people outside of soccer while continuing to move forward in her soccer development. Is club soccer the only way to have fun, be a kid and meet new people?

I have serious concerns about the benefits of club soccer. I think it’s dangerous. I think bad habits will be picked up. My complaint is not Mexico vs. US. My complaint is male vs. female. My kid played with all boys up until recently and I think the way females play is seriously lacking.

My kid is familiar with all of the clubs in close proximity to my house. I am looking for the best environment for my kid and that requires nit picking analysis. I have a few question for you.

Do you think the coaches in the letter leagues with their fancy licenses are very limited in what they can teach tactically because the vast majority of the players don’t have the requisite skill set for basic tactics?

How does your kid stay so fit? Is the information that I posted upthread by Dorrance about doing fitness outside of practice bad info?
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I’ll take that as a no, you can’t yet see the ridiculousness. I wasn’t expecting you to take responsibility for your past positions, and no surprise, you didn’t. I guess we can add female soccer is beneath you to the list. You spin a new direction every time.
Im not a hater and I’m not an authority on anything, although I find the anecdotal experience of many others ahead of me on this thread valuable. I wish your daughter well, but man, you make zero sense to me.
 
Soccerfan2 said:
I’ll take that as a no, you can’t yet see the ridiculousness. I wasn’t expecting you to take responsibility for your past positions, and no surprise, you didn’t. I guess we can add female soccer is beneath you to the list. You spin a new direction every time.
Im not a hater and I’m not an authority on anything, although I find the anecdotal experience of many others ahead of me on this thread valuable. I wish your daughter well, but man, you make zero sense to me.
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Next time you watch a professional game in any league besides MLS, count the touches and get back at me.
 
MacDre said:
No soccer yet. Since my kid is focused on going pro and YNT, her fitness emphasis is on be able to go hard 90 minutes plus stoppage time. XC is pushing her out of her comfort zone. I’m kinda concerned about the letter leagues ability to develop her physically, technically, and mentally.
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This is like teaching someone to be a chef, not using food, and instead focusing on how ovens and mixers work...then claiming the student will soon start a five star restaurant.

You may not like the style of soccer here but some of the top clubs in the top divisions are pretty darn good. And your student will get the one thing she can't get elsewhere while learning soccer (even if she has the best skills)... PRESSURE...and that changes everything.
 
SoccerSanDiego said:
This is like teaching someone to be a chef, not using food, and instead focusing on how ovens and mixers work...then claiming the student will soon start a five star restaurant.

You may not like the style of soccer here but some of the top clubs in the top divisions are pretty darn good. And your student will get the one thing she can't get elsewhere while learning soccer (even if she has the best skills)... PRESSURE...and that changes everything.
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She can get pressure playing high school, pick up, and summer league since no tactics can be taught in letter leagues. She’s doing XC for fitness as a supplement not as a substitute for soccer.

I don’t have a problem with a style of play as my daughter is comfortable in playing different positions, different formations, playing direct, possession and counterattacking.

My position is that 2-touch is a prerequisite to playing any style of high level soccer.
 
MacDre said:
She can get pressure playing high school, pick up, and summer league since no tactics can be taught in letter leagues. She’s doing XC for fitness as a supplement not as a substitute for soccer.

I don’t have a problem with a style of play as my daughter is comfortable in playing different positions, different formations, playing direct, possession and counterattacking.

My position is that 2-touch is a prerequisite to playing any style of high level soccer.
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You have it exactly backwards. 1,2,3-touch is the outcome. Freedom of touch is the prerequisite so that players develop comfort on the ball and learn to decide when they should pass, dribble or shoot.
 
Soccerfan2 said:
You have it exactly backwards. 1,2,3-touch is the outcome. Freedom of touch is the prerequisite so that players develop comfort on the ball and learn to decide when they should pass, dribble or shoot.
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We are talking about letter league players and older. Comfort on the ball is synonymous with 2-touch, should be developed by time a player is 12-13, and should be a prerequisite to participating in a letter league.

What’s freedom of touch?
 
MacDre said:
She can get pressure playing high school, pick up, and summer league since no tactics can be taught in letter leagues. She’s doing XC for fitness as a supplement not as a substitute for soccer.

I don’t have a problem with a style of play as my daughter is comfortable in playing different positions, different formations, playing direct, possession and counterattacking.

My position is that 2-touch is a prerequisite to playing any style of high level soccer.
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The higher the level, the greater your opponents ability to apply EFFECTIVE pressure to you and your teammates... you dont get that from lower level leagues or training sessions. Being able to 1 touch is easy at lower levels, not so much at higher. As the saying goes: everyone has a plan in the boxing ring until they are punched in the face.
 
SoccerSanDiego said:
The higher the level, the greater your opponents ability to apply EFFECTIVE pressure to you and your teammates... you dont get that from lower level leagues or training sessions. Being able to 1 touch is easy at lower levels, not so much at higher. As the saying goes: everyone has a plan in the boxing ring until they are punched in the face.
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We are not talking tactics, we are talking pressure. Athletes that can apply pressure exist outside of letter leagues. Maybe playing in an adult female futbol rapido league will apply more pressure. Maybe playing pickup with 12-13 y/o boys will apply more pressure. Maybe doing rondo’s will apply more pressure. Hell, my old ass can chase her while she has the ball and apply pressure.

So, can we agree that there’s a wide range of athletes that can apply pressure outside of the letter leagues? If so, what is the benefit of a letter league if the vast majority of players do not have the requisite skill set to learn basic tactics?
 
MacDre said:
We are not talking tactics, we are talking pressure. Athletes that can apply pressure exist outside of letter leagues. Maybe playing in an adult female futbol rapido league will apply more pressure. Maybe playing pickup with 12-13 y/o boys will apply more pressure. Maybe doing rondo’s will apply more pressure. Hell, my old ass can chase her while she has the ball and apply pressure.

So, can we agree that there’s a wide range of athletes that can apply pressure outside of the letter leagues? If so, what is the benefit of a letter league if the vast majority of players do not have the requisite skill set to learn basic tactics?
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Out of curiosity, what is your soccer background?
 
MacDre said:
We are not talking tactics, we are talking pressure. Athletes that can apply pressure exist outside of letter leagues. Maybe playing in an adult female futbol rapido league will apply more pressure. Maybe playing pickup with 12-13 y/o boys will apply more pressure. Maybe doing rondo’s will apply more pressure. Hell, my old ass can chase her while she has the ball and apply pressure.

So, can we agree that there’s a wide range of athletes that can apply pressure outside of the letter leagues? If so, what is the benefit of a letter league if the vast majority of players do not have the requisite skill set to learn basic tactics?
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I tend to be more in your camp regarding individual style/play vs club clone.

However...

Where I see the individual players excel is against "B" teams. Ironically the club clone players sometimes have issues against "B" teams (when not playing with their team) because they're not used to not having other players to pass to or work with when going up the field.

Where I see club clone players excel is against "A" teams. Individuals tend to get killed when playing against "A" teams that practice/play possession.

Coaches like (+ look for) big, strong, fast individual players that they think they can mold into club clone / possession players.
 
Kicker4Life said:
Out of curiosity, what is your soccer background?
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Hanging out at Club Tijuana for the past 10 years. Attending pro games and watching on tv. Hanging out with players from Xolo’s. My kid also played in Chula Vista at futbol factory before they closed. I believe Ruvacalba at Club Tijuana is also a technical director for the Mexican Federation. My kid has made contact with all the decent clubs in close proximity to my house.

I have also read extensively on the topic. For example, the pages from the Dorrance book that I posted upthread. I have also analyzed the arguments on the mens side regarding the low level of play in college and domestic leagues. I have also observed letter league games.

Finally, I have posted questions on this forum seeking clarification from those further ahead in the process such as what is the benefit of a letter league if the vast majority of players don’t have the requisite skill set to learn basic tactics?
 
Carlsbad7 said:
I tend to be more in your camp regarding individual style/play vs club clone.

However...

Where I see the individual players excel is against "B" teams. Ironically the club clone players sometimes have issues against "B" teams (when not playing with their team) because they're not used to not having other players to pass to or work with when going up the field.

Where I see club clone players excel is against "A" teams. Individuals tend to get killed when playing against "A" teams that practice/play possession.

Coaches like (+ look for) big, strong, fast individual players that they think they can mold into club clone / possession players.
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I’m cool on the club clone homie.
 
MacDre said:
Hanging out at Club Tijuana for the past 10 years. Attending pro games and watching on tv. Hanging out with players from Xolo’s. My kid also played in Chula Vista at futbol factory before they closed. I believe Ruvacalba at Club Tijuana is also a technical director for the Mexican Federation. My kid has made contact with all the decent clubs in close proximity to my house.

I have also read extensively on the topic. For example, the pages from the Dorrance book that I posted upthread. I have also analyzed the arguments on the mens side regarding the low level of play in college and domestic leagues. I have also observed letter league games.

Finally, I have posted questions on this forum seeking clarification from those further ahead in the process such as what is the benefit of a letter league if the vast majority of players don’t have the requisite skill set to learn basic tactics?
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what is the benefit of a letter league if the vast majority of players don’t have the requisite skill set to learn basic tactics?

This is an arrogant and flawed assumption.

The benefit of putting your kid out there to see how her skill stacks up before you assume it’s beneath you would be that you could actually find out for yourself.
 
Soccerfan2 said:
what is the benefit of a letter league if the vast majority of players don’t have the requisite skill set to learn basic tactics?

This is an arrogant and flawed assumption.

The benefit of putting your kid out there to see how her skill stacks up before you assume it’s beneath you would be that you could actually find out for yourself.
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Your position is presumptuous. Maybe your family has different goals. What’s skills are we trying to assess? Wrestling?

I am simply trying to assess how olders players have benefited tactically by playing in letter leagues where the vast majority of players can’t play 2-touch?

I’m not judging. I’m simply making and observation and seeking clarification so I can have all information before I proceed. Even geniuses ask questions homie.

I’ll ask again since you keep refusing to answer my simple question: what’s the benefit of a letter league if the vast majority of players don’t have the requisite skill set to learn basic tactics?
 
Well if nothing else these two clubs are the champs of the pseudo franchise names.

Slammers might be tops with the creative use of the pseudonym. The LAFC monker was interesting since they are not LA or have the demographic by any stretch but Koge? Denmark, Sweden?

Anyway the clubs do the field bookings, right? what I've seen others do is charge a fee for rescheduling that can discourage that sort of thing unless it's really important.
 
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