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[dad4]

Hey Dad and Wuhan, how many deaths were caused by kids playing soccer? Also, what are the odds for March action in California? I would love HS Soccer to be first in line to play games. I'm actually hearing it wont be until fall. 18 months of zero legal soccer.

Odds of March in CA are maybe 50/50.

Depends a lot on the vaccine, which I know is not your thing. Also depends on whether we open up indoor dining before outdoor sports. (Which would be stupid, but that has been the pattern)

But, if we have at least 15 million people vaccinated and if we have not opened up restaurants/bars/theaters, then March.

 

[crush]

Odds of March in CA are maybe 50/50.

Depends a lot on the vaccine, which I know is not your thing. Also depends on whether we open up indoor dining before outdoor sports. (Which would be stupid, but that has been the pattern)

But, if we have at least 15 million people vaccinated and if we have not opened up restaurants/bars/theaters, then March.

What will happen to my wife and I for just saying no?

 

[Mad Hatter]

Sort of. I would say that his ties to the restaurant and casino industries have led to some pretty bad decisions ignoring major indoor spreader venues while closing safer outdoor places.

You still don't get the data. The data shows lockdowns and masks don't work.

The concept behind both is that they limit the spread of the virus.

Take CA and FL. Both have very different approaches. One state is open and the other closed.

CA has 57k cases per million and FL has 61k cases.

If lockdowns and masked worked we would expect to see a dramatic difference in cases.

TX another state you said has been doing it wrong has 60k cases per million.

Those states have schools, restaurants, theaters and other indoor venues open and now for some time. CA doesn't.

 

[happy9]

The person I was talking to also is in the AZ forum. So our back and forth is a bit longer vs what you read above.

The gist of it is that more than a few are saying WOW Royals are really good this year. I have pointed out in the AZ forum that basically the top teams in DA all either left, went away, or put their top teams in ECRL.

Last year as a whole Royals over all age groups had a losing record. This year in GA they are absolutely rolling. It isn't suddenly because they became that much better, it is because the good competition isn't there anymore.

All that said I think it is a good club, with good coaches and they have some good players/teams.

If all the talent were in one league in the SW, Royals would do fine. In most cases middle of the pack (which is good considering how much deeper So Cal is), some cases worse, and in an age group here and there better.

To your other point, RSL is stronger vs Arsenal. To be honest as it stands currently RSL/Royals is the strongest club in AZ.

As a side note...I wonder what the Royals will call themselves next year? The NWSL Utah Royals has been disbanded and the women have been transferred to a yet to be named NWSL club in Kansas City. I am guessing they just call themselves RSL like the rest of the teams in the club.

I am curious to see what ECNL does next year with respect to the clubs in ECRL such as Beach, Legends, Pats, etc.

Don't disagree with most of this. RSL as a whole is definitely the healthiest club in AZ (out of the "big 3").

Del Sol has the better 05,06, 02/03 teams. All 3 of those teams competed well against CA season and are basically intact. They like to run small rosters, which hurts them late into the season. They are second best at 07 (haven't seen a PRFC/DS game). Having to deal with an early entry into a league with the 08 team is something new to the club.

I believe Del Sol may have some choppy waters ahead of it. Their coaching staff is proven and is well connected. They seem to have 9 lives and always manage to recruit well when it counts. They hit a rough patch with their 04s and have basically written off that year group. The talent they lost is firmly entrenched at PRFC/RSL.

We will see what happens. They do a good job of placing girls in P5 schools and in good non P5 schools. They are also well connected in the YNT community - that matters enough to some parents and DS uses it to their advantage.

By the way, picked up a few Fate Brewery Candy Stout growlers today!!

 

[dad4]

What will happen to my wife and I for just saying no?

Nothing. Some high risk places might require vax as a condition of attendance after reopening. MLS games, for example. Could also be required for school and sports.

But, for adults, within 12 months I would guess it's like declining the flu shot.

 

[GeekKid]

You still don't get the data. The data shows lockdowns and masks don't work.

The concept behind both is that they limit the spread of the virus.

Take CA and FL. Both have very different approaches. One state is open and the other closed.

CA has 57k cases per million and FL has 61k cases.

If lockdowns and masked worked we would expect to see a dramatic difference in cases.

TX another state you said has been doing it wrong has 60k cases per million.

Those states have schools, restaurants, theaters and other indoor venues open and now for some time. CA doesn't.

Hatter, that's exactly my point. I moved my family out of California three years ago and moved to Texas. My kids have been attending school in person since August, my oldest DD has been practicing and playing a full slate of games in both ECNL and now HS. Having a little neighborhood get together with parents and kids featuring a little karaoke and cocktails. I have good friends in Southern Cal and I feel for them. Stay safe and Happy New Year.

 

[EOTL]

You still don't get the data. The data shows lockdowns and masks don't work.

The concept behind both is that they limit the spread of the virus.

Take CA and FL. Both have very different approaches. One state is open and the other closed.

CA has 57k cases per million and FL has 61k cases.

If lockdowns and masked worked we would expect to see a dramatic difference in cases.

TX another state you said has been doing it wrong has 60k cases per million.

Those states have schools, restaurants, theaters and other indoor venues open and now for some time. CA doesn't.

You mean CA and FL have stated similar cases but, as y’all like to claim when it suits your needs, the number of reported cases depends on testing. But we do know that the death rate in FL is almost twice that of CA, and growing.

 

[Mad Hatter]

You mean CA and FL have stated similar cases but, as y’all like to claim when it suits your needs, the number of reported cases depends on testing. But we do know that the death rate in FL is almost twice that of CA, and growing.

And again you don't know what you are talking about.

Having more or less testing doesn't mean more cases per million.

If you look at the data there are states that have far more testing vs CA or FL that have lower cases per million. There are also others that have similar testing per million that have substantially higher cases per million.

So it does not work as you think...more testing = more cases PER million.

It also isn't consistent on cases per million vs deaths per million. That fluctuates all over the place as well.

The point being, and the reason @dad4 is silent is because despite his preferred outcome (and yours as well) CA hasn't stopped the spread in any meaningful way vs states that he and you have railed on for months now.

If it were as simple as masks and lockdowns, you would see dramatic differences in cases per million. The reality is despite what CA has done, their cases per million are little different vs states like TX and FL where biz is open, schools are open, people are working, etc.

@dad4 claims to be a math guy. Apparently he doesn't understand the concept of cost/benefit nor it seems does he have the ability to look at real world data and come to the conclusion his preferred solutions have not worked in reality. Same as you big boy.

And remember, the point you and others say lockdowns are masks are important is to REDUCE the spread of the virus. The data shows gov policy has not had an affect in that area.

So why the lockdowns?

Recent studies are now showing asymptomatic people are not spreaders of the virus either.

So with that in mind, why the lockdowns?

 

[Desert Hound]

Del Sol has the better 05,06, 02/03 teams.

I am not as sure in this area as a blanket statement.

On the 05 yes del Sol looks better.

On the 06 they have identical records and they have tied each other the 1 time they played. So hard to say one is actually better vs the other.

At the 02/03 they seem close. Same amount of wins. Royals has 2 loses vs del Sol 2 ties. I think they are roughly the same. But to be fair the one time they played del Sol won. So you have to give them the nod in that age group. They have played the same teams. Royals scored more (4). Yet at the same time has given up 4 more goals vs del Sol.

 

[futboldad1]

The person I was talking to also is in the AZ forum. So our back and forth is a bit longer vs what you read above.

The gist of it is that more than a few are saying WOW Royals are really good this year. I have pointed out in the AZ forum that basically the top teams in DA all either left, went away, or put their top teams in ECRL.

Last year as a whole Royals over all age groups had a losing record. This year in GA they are absolutely rolling. It isn't suddenly because they became that much better, it is because the good competition isn't there anymore.

All that said I think it is a good club, with good coaches and they have some good players/teams.

If all the talent were in one league in the SW, Royals would do fine. In most cases middle of the pack (which is good considering how much deeper So Cal is), some cases worse, and in an age group here and there better.

To your other point, RSL is stronger vs Arsenal. To be honest as it stands currently RSL/Royals is the strongest club in AZ.

As a side note...I wonder what the Royals will call themselves next year? The NWSL Utah Royals has been disbanded and the women have been transferred to a yet to be named NWSL club in Kansas City. I am guessing they just call themselves RSL like the rest of the teams in the club.

I am curious to see what ECNL does next year with respect to the clubs in ECRL such as Beach, Legends, Pats, etc.

Pats are very weak on the girls side, zero chance....Beach and Legends the only two with a shot......in AZ I don’t have much experience but PRFC play some great soccer.....

 

[NewUser27]

I think in your imagination the AZ clubs are claiming to be the best. Again, congrats on driving to AZ to beat second and third teams. At least you made it here and back in one piece.

According to the az forums chatter , on the boys side there were multiple encl players on the 07/08 boys teams. Ringers brought up to compete, but im sure there were multiple OC teams doing the same

 

[MSK357]

Odds of March in CA are maybe 50/50.

Depends a lot on the vaccine, which I know is not your thing. Also depends on whether we open up indoor dining before outdoor sports. (Which would be stupid, but that has been the pattern)

But, if we have at least 15 million people vaccinated and if we have not opened up restaurants/bars/theaters, then March.

That would be nice, but goal post moving fauci recently said we would not see signs of normalcy until the fall. He also changed his prediction on how many people needed to be vaccinated from 70-75% to 80- 85% after he saw a poll show people willing to get the vaccine went from 50 to 60%. Please tell me how that is based on science.

 

[MSK357]

Odds of March in CA are maybe 50/50.

Depends a lot on the vaccine, which I know is not your thing. Also depends on whether we open up indoor dining before outdoor sports. (Which would be stupid, but that has been the pattern)

But, if we have at least 15 million people vaccinated and if we have not opened up restaurants/bars/theaters, then March.

How Much Herd Immunity Is Enough? (Published 2020)

Scientists initially estimated that 60 to 70 percent of the population needed to acquire resistance to the coronavirus to banish it. Now Dr. Anthony Fauci and others are quietly shifting that number upward.

www.nytimes.com

“When polls said only about half of all Americans would take a vaccine, I was saying herd immunity would take 70 to 75 percent,” Dr. Fauci said. “Then, when newer surveys said 60 percent or more would take it, I thought, ‘I can nudge this up a bit,’ so I went to 80, 85.”

He straight up said his herd immunity estimate went up because more people are now willing to take it Lol. His excuse later was 10% isn't much of a difference. Science.

 

[crush]

Don't disagree with most of this. RSL as a whole is definitely the healthiest club in AZ (out of the "big 3").

I believe Del Sol may have some choppy waters ahead of it. They hit a rough patch with their 04s and have basically written off that year group. The talent they lost is firmly entrenched at PRFC/RSL.
We will see what happens. They do a good job of placing girls in P5 schools and in good non P5 schools. They are also well connected in the YNT community - that matters enough to some parents and DS uses it to their advantage.

By the way, picked up a few Fate Brewery Candy Stout growlers today!!

I'm hearing the 04 RSL is the real deal. We got their B team in a scrimmage and they played us hard and i was impressed. It's not looking like we will ever play them. Del Sol is a big surprise on the 04 front. That team was real good back in 2018. I also remember a team called Blackhawks from Scottsdale? That was the best team before Del Sol, MOO! BTW, YNT List was my hook that got me 4 years ago. Happy News Years Happy and I hope 2021 is all about kicking ass and lending a helping hand. Peace

 

[Footy30]

Pats are very weak on the girls side, zero chance....Beach and Legends the only two with a shot......in AZ I don’t have much experience but PRFC play some great soccer.....

I agree that Beach and Legends have a shot, and honestly should be moved to ECNL... especially considering a few weak teams that are in it currently. My kids would much rather play against strong competition that Beach and Legends offers than some of the weak teams they've played the last several years in ECNL. I guess it depends on the age group as well, but both Beach and Legends are much stronger than at least 3 or 4 teams currently in ECNL.

BTW HAPPY 2021 Everyone!!

OOPS I just saw this is a 2010 thread... my bad, I've been away a while and didn't really look before posting

 

[crush]

I agree that Beach and Legends have a shot, and honestly should be moved to ECNL... especially considering a few weak teams that are in it currently. My kids would much rather play against strong competition that Beach and Legends offers than some of the weak teams they've played the last several years in ECNL. I guess it depends on the age group as well, but both Beach and Legends are much stronger than at least 3 or 4 teams currently in ECNL.

BTW HAPPY 2021 Everyone!!

Footy, I love you man and thanks again for helping me with my avatar I 100% believe that Beach FC & Legends FC belong with the SW ECNL next year. However, let's not disparage other teams that you call weak. I know which one's your talking about but they deserve a chance to prove they belong. I also hear some of them picked up some real good players. I say like I say before, bring in the two obvious beast and go with 16 teams with two divisions. Top three in each division make Champions Playoffs. I say we also toss 2020-2021 season out the window and start over June 1st, 2021 with new teams.

 

[happy9]

I am not as sure in this area as a blanket statement.

On the 05 yes del Sol looks better.

On the 06 they have identical records and they have tied each other the 1 time they played. So hard to say one is actually better vs the other.

At the 02/03 they seem close. Same amount of wins. Royals has 2 loses vs del Sol 2 ties. I think they are roughly the same. But to be fair the one time they played del Sol won. So you have to give them the nod in that age group. They have played the same teams. Royals scored more (4). Yet at the same time has given up 4 more goals vs del Sol.

Fair enough, I'm basing my opinion on the entire body of work and not just this year. Royals picked up a few 06 DS DPL players and now have new coach.

Here's to more games between them this upcoming season and possibly some friendlies between ECNL/GA in AZ.

 

[happy9]

I'm hearing the 04 RSL is the real deal. We got their B team in a scrimmage and they played us hard and i was impressed. It's not looking like we will ever play them. Del Sol is a big surprise on the 04 front. That team was real good back in 2018. I also remember a team called Blackhawks from Scottsdale? That was the best team before Del Sol, MOO! BTW, YNT List was my hook that got me 4 years ago. Happy News Years Happy and I hope 2021 is all about kicking ass and lending a helping hand. Peace

The Del Sol 04 team had a bad break up. Majority of those young ladies are now at PHX Rising ECNL and RSL. It's unfortunate but stuff happens. Maybe the pendulum swings back to Del Sol in the 04 age group but doubtful.

 

[Footy30]

Footy, I love you man and thanks again for helping me with my avatar I 100% believe that Beach FC & Legends FC belong with the SW ECNL next year. However, let's not disparage other teams that you call weak. I know which one's your talking about but they deserve a chance to prove they belong. I also hear some of them picked up some real good players. I say like I say before, bring in the two obvious beast and go with 16 teams with two divisions. Top three in each division make Champions Playoffs. I say we also toss 2020-2021 season out the window and start over June 1st, 2021 with new teams.

Happy New Year @crush
You're right... all teams deserve the chance to prove they belong, hell after this "season" they all need to do that. I actually like the idea of starting all over in June and the 16 teams, etc. and yes the 20-21 season is a wash for the CA teams, they should just call it already.

 

[crush]

The Del Sol 04 team had a bad break up. Majority of those young ladies are now at PHX Rising ECNL and RSL. It's unfortunate but stuff happens. Maybe the pendulum swings back to Del Sol in the 04 age group but doubtful.

Not all clubs are run as nice as the ones in socal Happy, especially the ones who have the girls best interest at heart. I'm not going back into time. My vow is not to bring up the past and put the past behind and whatever i want or my dd for that matter wants, we have to earn it. No more free hand outs for this guy. I got a gig line up for Feb or March. Wat Fly never offered me anything in sales and he will regret it and someone else will make money because I work hard and have no problem with rejection and handling peoples objections when I ask them probing questions.