Referees - what can we all do to improve the situation?

What did you want them to do?
Do a review and come up with an honest finding and report that finding to club. It was not the first complaint about that team and their number of yellow/red cards equaled the entire rest of the league.
 

Paul Spacey

SILVER ELITE
Some video evidence may be reviewed. Most will not. The league organizations don't have enough time to get everything done as it is and so they won't spend lots of extra time looking into issues like video evidence from games. Big problems (both teams fighting and potential criminal issues) will of course be investigated but most smaller issues will not, that's the reality.

This is why a referee/coach/parent rating system is the next logical step towards accountability for everyone involved in youth soccer. Let's face it, that's really what the game needs. There are so many people involved in the game that do not have the interests of the players/kids as their primary concern; those are the people that need to be exposed by a rating/review system so that we can continue to improve youth soccer by weeding them out. One thing is very clear to me after a number of years being completely immersed in it; youth soccer is not in a great state and desperately needs improvement across the board.
 

Caltek

SILVER ELITE
Do a review and come up with an honest finding and report that finding to club. It was not the first complaint about that team and their number of yellow/red cards equaled the entire rest of the league.

Csl already has discipline in place for this.
20 points = 1 point deduction in standings
30 points = 2 add. Deduction in standings
40 points = auto removal from all gaming circuit and possible forfeit of any games played during that season.

Yellow = 1 point
Red = 2 points
This includes players coaches and spectators.

What more do you want from the league than they already do.
 
Csl already has discipline in place for this.
20 points = 1 point deduction in standings
30 points = 2 add. Deduction in standings
40 points = auto removal from all gaming circuit and possible forfeit of any games played during that season.

Yellow = 1 point
Red = 2 points
This includes players coaches and spectators.

What more do you want from the league than they already do.
You didn't read the entire thread.
 

Caltek

SILVER ELITE
You didn't read the entire thread.
I did read the entire thread my post had to do with your issue with a specific team. My comment stated that csl does have punishment written out on how they deal with teams like this. My dealings with all gaming circuits is they will not listen unless its brought through proper chain of command usually your club representative or doc or who ever deals with the gaming circuit from the club. They don't like individuals or managers of teams or parents comming to them with issues. One reason is you club administer usually knows more about what they want yo see or proper procedure on how to file grievances. Just my dealings having managed teams in both leagues.
 
Csl already has discipline in place for this.
20 points = 1 point deduction in standings
30 points = 2 add. Deduction in standings
40 points = auto removal from all gaming circuit and possible forfeit of any games played during that season.

Yellow = 1 point
Red = 2 points
This includes players coaches and spectators.

What more do you want from the league than they already do.
You can get 10 red cards in a season before the deduct a point?
Although I guess if you get that many cards and have players serving multiple game suspensions, the point deduction probably won’t matter much.
 

jpeter

GOLD
You can get 10 red cards in a season before the deduct a point?
Although I guess if you get that many cards and have players serving multiple game suspensions, the point deduction probably won’t matter much.
Well CSL may not be enforcing the rules and they don't seem to deter anybody so what's the point? https://coastsoccer.us/web/coastsoccer/standings?SEX=B&AGE=15&BRACKET=0P&YEAR=2018 for example.

The time out after the yellow card or the ban after 2 reds like HS does is more of a deterrent or even the 1 game after 5 yellows in DA but that might be a bit harsh. At least it's not like DSL where they don't really track them much at all with the so-called coach honor system.
 

Caltek

SILVER ELITE
You can get 10 red cards in a season before the deduct a point?
Although I guess if you get that many cards and have players serving multiple game suspensions, the point deduction probably won’t matter much.
10 red cards would be 30 points and a total of 3 point deduction. 1 for reaching 20 points and 2 additional for reaching 30
 

Caltek

SILVER ELITE
Well CSL may not be enforcing the rules and they don't seem to deter anybody so what's the point? https://coastsoccer.us/web/coastsoccer/standings?SEX=B&AGE=15&BRACKET=0P&YEAR=2018 for example.

The time out after the yellow card or the ban after 2 reds like HS does is more of a deterrent or even the 1 game after 5 yellows in DA but that might be a bit harsh. At least it's not like DSL where they don't really track them much at all with the so-called coach honor system.
They do keep track if you look at downtown is the only team to reach 20 points over cards and the have had a point deducted off there record. 1 win and 2 ties equals 5 points and they have 4 points.
 
10 red cards would be 30 points and a total of 3 point deduction. 1 for reaching 20 points and 2 additional for reaching 30
I’m not a math major. But didn’t the post above mine say that a red card is 2 points? And once you hit 20 points, you lose a point in your standings?

Or am I missing something?
 

Caltek

SILVER ELITE
I’m not a math major. But didn’t the post above mine say that a red card is 2 points? And once you hit 20 points, you lose a point in your standings?

Or am I missing something?
Your right my mistake a red is 3 points.
 

Caltek

SILVER ELITE
Your right my mistake a red is 3 points.
Another added measure is 1st red miss current game and next game second red miss an additional 2 games so 4 total for the offender weather player or coach. 3rd red miss remainder of season.
 

MFranco

BRONZE
Last Saturday I had absolutely horrible and lazy parters both when they were in the center and especially as AR’s. Yesterday I was the center on 4 games and had two youth referees, 12 and 13 years old, that were in their first 6 months of refereeing. These two youth AR’s did an outstanding job, ran hard and followed my pregame instruction. All of the coaches were respectful to the youth refs except one and he adjusted his attitude after I had a talk with him. No spectator problems.

Today I watched my daughter coach her girls team. The CR and one AR did a good job, but the other adult male AR did not run and was always 10 to 25 yards behind the last defender and made several offside calls despite being 20 yards from the last defender.

What really upsets me is that these adult referees are getting paid to do a job, so they should be running and engaged with the game.
That is probably one of the things that upsets me most. The fact that they are getting paid and many of them walk up to you before a game and the first thing they say is "do you have your fees?" Then go on to act like they don't care out there and its just a youth game ( which it is but come on.) I realize people make mistakes and coaches ( a lot ) can be a pain but they are getting paid to be there to at least act like you care. If they make a bad call but consistent with it then I tell my girls to adjust but if they are lazy, cant keep up and more concerned about other things then its frustrating.

For example, this past weekend my team had a veteran crew. They were using the headsets to communicate to each other...sounds like a great idea. However, they were just having random conversations and at one point were talking about the Dodgers. My girls were looking at me wondering who the AR was talking to and I just shook my head. Later in that game the CR called a bogus foul on my defender and when I expressed my disagreement he ignored it so I turned to the AR and asked what he saw. Of course he told me to sit down. At that point I was upset and told him "maybe if you paid attention to the game and not talking about the damn dodgers you would be able to help out the center." Of course this struck a nerve and he turned running towards me yelling at me to focus on coaching and to let them call the game. Officials who can admit a mistake even if there are a lot of them would be more preferred than others with an ego and get upset when you call them out about something that is true.

After the game a parent (who is also a referee) came down and talked to me saying they like the headsets because "sometimes the games can get boring so it helps to pass the time" I just looked at him and wanted to laugh. Maybe next time don't show up and get paid if they just want to talk about random things during the game.
 

GunninGopher

SILVER ELITE
For example, this past weekend my team had a veteran crew. They were using the headsets to communicate to each other...sounds like a great idea. However, they were just having random conversations and at one point were talking about the Dodgers.
Those comm systems are expensive. I think they're trying to get the most bang for their buck!!

Truthfully, every crew I've seen with them are pretty solid.
 

MFranco

BRONZE
Those comm systems are expensive. I think they're trying to get the most bang for their buck!!

Truthfully, every crew I've seen with them are pretty solid.
Haha yeah they weren't actually bad but just the fact that they were having those conversations then got upset with me when I called them out on it.
 

Surfref

PREMIER
Those comm systems are expensive. I think they're trying to get the most bang for their buck!!

Truthfully, every crew I've seen with them are pretty solid.
I have used them and never had useless chit chat except one time. We always kept our comments to game events. I was the center in a HS semi a couple years ago and we used headsets. One of my ARs was a little talkative until I asked him to keep the talk to game issues only. His useless comments were just distracting and not needed.
 
Many mention here that the outcome of these games is meaningless. Not completely true. CSL promotes and demotes based on where you finish. 8 team league sees only the top 2-3 teams move up, bottom team move down. One game can make a difference. I liked this at first, but I can now see some of the positives of SCDSL where the club has some control what level they play at.
 
As spectators we tend to like to "Monday morning" all decisions and most refs are over scrutinized by fans but what about other sports?

They can become the story line instead of the game or the players. In Baseball once a ref gets a reputation can be hard to overcome that

"How Angel Hernandez is still umpiring let alone the playoffs is unreal to me. He is far the worst umpire in the league. Every year."
https://twitter.com/paulloduca16/status/1049456588732297216

Hernandez had himself an embarrassing Game 3, becoming the first umpire in the replay era to have three calls overturned in a postseason game.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2018/10/10/under-fire-umpire-angel-hernandez-likely-done-mlb-playoffs-not-reason-you-think/?utm_term=.1f2fdfbe9db3
https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/yankees-vs-red-sox-mlb-umpire-angel-hernandez-reportedly-told-luke-voit-after-blown-call-ill-get-the-next-one-right/?src=rss

I dunno but at least MLB has the ability to review & overturn calls and make things right.
 
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