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Just for the record, none of the players called by Gandalf took his offer.
Recruiting Tips for Parents Just Starting the Process
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dk_b
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The rub is that clubs that recruit mid cycle are not always looking for anything that is in the targeted players best interest. If they were, why didn't they just recruit when the window opened? Why is it that mid-cycle is the time? I said nothing about chasing wins so that may not be directed at me and I also acknowledge that there are times when a club should release a player but if one is teaching a child that there is no collective responsibility when you commit to a team and there is no willingness to abide by certain rules and norms, well then that person is parenting differently than I do.
One thing w/which I strongly agree with you is how clubs often try to convince players to stay when they are better off leaving. I think that happens all the time at big clubs and small clubs and can really interfere with what is "best" - whether "best" is defined by college opportunities or simply a fun, healthy activity while they are kids. And if you are at a small club and that club has not discussed with specificity how that club serves your high-achieving player's interest or how another club might be better, then that club is NOT looking at your kid's interest. When my daughter left her first club for another, I was on the BOD (I had other kids in that club) and I had a key coach refuse to talk to me for a year. It was clear that her needs were not going to be served by that club even as it was a great club for her development and a really good club for certain players.
Fast forward a couple of years and my younger two would occasionally play with a younger play as she'd play up a year as her "normal" team and up two (w/my kids) on occasion. She was not a star when she played up 2 years but she contributed and you could see her ability (and she could not play w/her age group at our club; it would be a joke). When I spoke to the mom about her daughter, I was very clear to her that she needed a larger platform if one of the goals was to reach her full potential as a soccer player. I drew on the experience of my older kid. If she wanted to stick around for non-soccer reasons, she'd still progress as a player and stay with her community, her friends, etc. but her ability to be a focus at an elite level would be compromised.
Competing companies agreeing they won’t touch each other’s customers, or to an “orderly” transition process that significantly impedes customers from changing clubs, violates antitrust laws. It is so weird that people think there’s something so special about children playing a child’s game that justifies breaking antitrust laws. I can’t imagine anyone would disagree that Pepsi and Coke refusing to let restaurants change vendors except two weeks a year is bad. Or patients unable to change doctors except once a year. Or companies not hiring each others’ employees except in February because their co-workers really rely on them and it’s a big disruption if the transition isn’t “orderly”. Or change preschools except during summer recess? I mean, those other preschoolers are really relying on your kids’ reading ability and epic social skills to prop up theirs, and also your tuition. Seriously, what is it about youth soccer that causes people to lose their freakin’ minds? Is the world going to end if little Sally moves from Podunk FC to Blues because it increases her chances of getting into UCLA? Why can’t anyone be happy for Sally?
This all smacks of a fake argument anyway. I haven’t heard of a kid leaving mid-season who did not have a really good reason. Although I’m sure it happens occasionally, would an (illegal) agreement among competing clubs not to “poach” each others’ customers be more beneficial than letting a far greater number of kids switch clubs who do have a good reason, but that does not rise to the level of “abuse”, whatever that might mean to someone?
dk_b
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Our experiences differ and not based on what I have heard but based on what I have directly observed. But I also think that the volume of clubs and players in SoCal does create more opportunities so perhaps it could be more fluid w/o the issues I have seen up here.
That said, I do wish that there was a greater openness about training with different clubs/teams. I don't think kids should be limited to some defined open window b/c it becomes really difficult to check out different clubs. That used to happen in NorCal but then the rules changed and to comply, some clubs will require written permission from the other club's DOC (they are all supposed to require it). A player's club should always be willing to say "yes" to a guest training opportunity and even a guest playing opportunity. If they limit it, that's a good sign that, as @EOTL is suggesting, they are not considering the interests of your kid. My older daughter guest played in tourneys with about half a dozen clubs (they needed a GK) and while she did move to one (though not to the team she guested with), it was just a great overall experience to play with different coaches and different players.
gotothebushes
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ID CAMPS- You think schools who aren't playing in fall season ( Given some athletes are on campus) are actively trying to setup ID Camps right after the September 30th dead period or you think will wait for ID Camps in the Spring? the 2021/2022's would want more traction given there's now showcases coming soon. Are coaches actually just behind their desk waiting on emails and videos?
EOTL is on fire today. I agree again. I felt like I was the worse person in the world for leaving for greener pastures ((Just Win Baby and Leave them all hanging)). I felt like I was in The Firm and I couldn't leave. I felt so trapped. Plus, the Doc said if we dare leave it's all over........Let my people go!!!! Tad was so nice to me about looking at other dealerships. He just asked that you let him know and if we ask the right way, he will loan my goat out to the other dealerships. Were both cool with each other today and the last I spoke to him I asked him, "did you know these dealerships were offering a free car, free oil change and maintenance and free lifetime gas as long as you stay at the dealership? I dont like free. You need a coach who will tell you what you need to hear, not what you want to hear.
Soccerfan2
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If classes aren’t in session and they aren’t having a fall season then they probably won’t be able to hold a camp on their campus. I would guess schools in that situation will wait until spring.
It’s very likely that the dead period will get extended again to the end of Oct.
In general, schools will want to hold camps as soon as they are able to because the primary purpose is to make money.
Simisoccerfan
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All college players have been given an extra year of eligibility. That gives coaches an extra year of players. Not a lot of need of college Id camps right now. Coaches will need less players for the next three years.
Sounds about right! My daughter have been in talks with some coaches and there telling us there will no youth soccer played in California this year and expected the dead period to extend past October.
TDS ranking tried to do a good job this year ranking players given the mess that was made with DA folding and DA teams going to ECNL/ECRL. Now with the DA folding, US Soccer is implementing a new structure and will start from scratch with 2004/2005/2006 age groups. All zoom calls will soon end with current YNT player and all new scouts will be hired to select the next pool of players. Coaches will have no input anymore. Scouts will go to games, identify players and the leave. Best of luck!
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To MAPS and all the others who have contributed to this discussion: Thank You.
We’ve been trying to put these suggestions to work and are starting to see some interest from some great college programs.
For a totally unheralded player with no championship play and more L’s than W’s in her record, we’re feeling pretty good.
But time will tell. Long way to go...
We’ve been trying to put these suggestions to work and are starting to see some interest from some great college programs.
For a totally unheralded player with no championship play and more L’s than W’s in her record, we’re feeling pretty good.
But time will tell. Long way to go...
I know it’s a bit of a cliché, but Coaches recruit players not teams so the W’s and L’s don’t mean much in the grand scheme of things.
Good Luck to your DD!
That is so true. If all you really care about is the club soccer biz growing and getting a college deal, I agree. However, many kids like to WIN too and that means more to them then development in the grand scheme of things. Scheme is a good choice of words Kicker. Lot's of scheme's going on in the GDA league for three years. Just win baby!!!!
I'm putting EJ down for good. New Wave Dave and Soccer Helper had their purpose. I have no idea who 310 is. I will come back today with a new Avatar to start fresh. We all need a fresh start or second chance or a mulligan. I learned what life is all about now.EJ=310=new wave=soccer helper ... That’s an awesome array of hats you got on!
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Throwback Thursday/EJ Retires
Dear forum friends,
it's time for Ellejustus to retire from social media. So many reasons why it's time and just feels it's best to end. I got all my answers I was looking for and some. It all started with a dream. Me and the wife dreamed and planned for 6 kids. Then after my first born son, we dreamed to have 4 kids. Then we had my DD and we said, "two is enough." The EJ's had big dreams and in 2017 it was coming together for our family. Work, School, Church and Soccer. The dream was coming alive. Everything Elle and Justus worked for they accomplished. However, life is not fare and it did a number on all of us. As EJ parts ways with all of you, we wish you all the best. I know so many want something from soccer and I hope you find it for your kids. My DD wanted to win!!! She won Surf Cup, State Cup, FWR Cup and a National Championship and so many others. SW ECNL is a goal and so is CIF. She had some personal goals and dreams but didnt cut the mustard and fell short. In life, sometimes you win and sometimes you lose. My wife and dd worked hard to save money so we could pay to play in Seattle and Texas in 2017. I wont share, but our family got hit with a big bomb on my biz when we were in Texas for natty. I couldn;t tell my dd but I did tell my son and wife and it was so hard to put on a happy face. It was a kick to my "balls in life" and I was down for the count. I got my ass back up and three years later, were all doing better
This last pic I will ever post on here is my favorite when it comes to soccer. The sacrifice my little soccer player and her teammates put in to win, was insane. Every single girl worked hard to win and that is winning. My wife gave up a lot of things woman like to do so we could afford these two back to back trips. I will be back as another Avatar. EJ is out!!!!!
notintheface
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Yeah. We know.