New Youth Sports Guidance

kickingandscreaming said:
Dominic, I assume that since the post above wasn't flagged as political, I could give my perspective. In no way do I wish to get into the politics of why this is occurring - just the science behind the risk and each populations' risk tolerance.

On a high level this appears to be more of a tolerance of risk difference between the states such as CA and states such as FL, TX and AZ.

From an "immunity" perspective, AZ is now likely in better shape than CA as a higher percentage of their population has some level of immunity due to already having the virus. They are trending down now and I wouldn't be surprised if they have infection levels similar to NY in the next month or two due to this immunity - just a guess, though. Also, there is little evidence that playing soccer is a high risk activity - despite the charts I have seen that put it up at a significant risk level. Texas is in a similar situation to AZ and haven't had any large outbreaks associated with training/games. Time will tell, but there is little scientific evidence to indicate soccer is a high a risk. However, I am aslo sure the risk is not 0.
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I’ve seen 1 article in Forbes that mentions a study done in the Netherlands. Findings summarized:


However new research has suggested that the risk of ‘close encounters’ during a soccer match is minimal. Sports performance specialists Inmotio and the Dutch Soccer Association (KVNB) assessed player tracking data from every match from the country’s top-flight in the past two seasons.

Of the 482 Eredivisie matches assessed, just 0.2% of matches saw two players exposed to close contact for more than 30 seconds. For the purposes of the research, a close encounter is described as an interaction within 1 meter – the distance stated in the World Health Organization’s (WHO) guidelines.

What’s more, many of these close encounters could be reduced. Between 50% and 80% of all close encounters are attributable to players convening for the results of referee decisions or those by video-assisted referees (VAR) and other game interruptions.

Reducing the time it takes for a corner to be taken can result in a 45% reduction while changing goal celebrations can deliver a 35% drop. The Bundesliga has told players to adopt social distancing when celebrating a goal already.
 
Ellejustus said:
That is awesome to hear bro. My dd will be looking for some GK to take on some of her shots. She makes them all and we all know that is not reality. Get ready because soccer will be played, mark my words!!!!
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Why don't you drag your team's goalkeeper to a park with a net and get after it? I keep seeing keeper moms worried about a lack of training.
 
The Outlaw said:
Why don't you drag your team's goalkeeper to a park with a net and get after it? I keep seeing keeper moms worried about a lack of training.
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When were allowed to play for reals, we will be doing that at practice. Our GK is big time and she also wants to save her fingers for real practices and games. My dd has been known to break GK fingers sometimes......lol!!!! Just kidding, she shanks hers always over the goal post and really sucks as a player. I just come on here to talk smack with all the snowflakes in soccer......lol!!!
 
El Cap said:
I’ve seen 1 article in Forbes that mentions a study done in the Netherlands. Findings summarized:


However new research has suggested that the risk of ‘close encounters’ during a soccer match is minimal. Sports performance specialists Inmotio and the Dutch Soccer Association (KVNB) assessed player tracking data from every match from the country’s top-flight in the past two seasons.

Of the 482 Eredivisie matches assessed, just 0.2% of matches saw two players exposed to close contact for more than 30 seconds. For the purposes of the research, a close encounter is described as an interaction within 1 meter – the distance stated in the World Health Organization’s (WHO) guidelines.

What’s more, many of these close encounters could be reduced. Between 50% and 80% of all close encounters are attributable to players convening for the results of referee decisions or those by video-assisted referees (VAR) and other game interruptions.

Reducing the time it takes for a corner to be taken can result in a 45% reduction while changing goal celebrations can deliver a 35% drop. The Bundesliga has told players to adopt social distancing when celebrating a goal already.
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When I first read that report I thought the numbers couldn't be right. Then I remember the few times I watched Ajax play and their style of quick, 1-touch, 2-touch passing, then I can see the % totally make sense. If socially-distanced practices force kids to spend more time on passing and make them more accurate passers, at least something good came out of it.

For my younger one's bumblebee-styled U-little games on small fields, that % is much much higher :)
 
Ellejustus said:
When were allowed to play for reals, we will be doing that at practice. Our GK is big time and she also wants to save her fingers for real practices and games. My dd has been known to break GK fingers sometimes......lol!!!! Just kidding, she shanks hers always over the goal post and really sucks as a player. I just come on here to talk smack with all the snowflakes in soccer......lol!!!
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Save her fingers? My daughter wears a pretty thin glove, Reusch Pure Contacts. She is 14. Is facing harder shots than any girl can manage. Keeps fingers strong with contstant soccer touches and basketball play. Can’t imagine your keeper being worried about her fingers at this age (assuming 15/16 as your daughter is an 04?) unless she has a history of injury.
 
Grace T. said:
This is slightly different than the prior letter. Note the point about equipment sharing.

That will be interpreted at a minimum as no shooting on the goalkeeper. Probably stops crossing practice. May even restrict passing but hopefully the prior precedent let’s the passing sneak in.
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I disagree. Baseball and softball have been playing and practicing with thrown balls that touch hands. Basketball is happening on every outdoor Court I see. Field players in soccer have no need to use their hands. Have a parent wipe down the ball if need be since it does give an alternate to not sharing.
 
Ellejustus said:
When were allowed to play for reals, we will be doing that at practice. Our GK is big time and she also wants to save her fingers for real practices and games. My dd has been known to break GK fingers sometimes......lol!!!! Just kidding, she shanks hers always over the goal post and really sucks as a player. I just come on here to talk smack with all the snowflakes in soccer......lol!!!
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That's why keepers tape their joints. It doesn't do anything other than look cool... sack up and get out there.
 
socalkdg said:
Save her fingers? My daughter wears a pretty thin glove, Reusch Pure Contacts. She is 14. Is facing harder shots than any girl can manage. Keeps fingers strong with contstant soccer touches and basketball play. Can’t imagine your keeper being worried about her fingers at this age (assuming 15/16 as your daughter is an 04?) unless she has a history of injury.
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I played GK. Bones and ligaments all over those little fingers socal kdg. My dd is almost 17 and has a rocket for a shot......jk. Its average on her right but her left is very good for not being a lefty. She's actually working on placement now, not trying to tear GK ligaments. My dd has gone against America's top 4 GK goats in the country the last few years. All YNT players. The GK in Vegas is very tough to score on. My dd played with and against one the top GK who can make some high flying saves in the air. I love GKs. My dd HS GK saved our season and got us in CIF. Their the most underappreciated player in any sport outside of FG kicker. Punter is the least. Hero one day and goat the next day. I played adult league with my wife's dad from Guatemala in East LA bro. No joke. Gramps yelled at me a few times early on. He played center defender and was top dog and bossed everyone around in Spanish. He spoke Spanish to everyone but me. At first, he tried to get me to quit because he pre judged. I played 8 years of AYSO. HS soccer coach tried hard to get me do be a dual athlete like Bo, but I said no, I need to focus on hoops and my dream of playing for UCLA. I kicked ass and earned my future Father in laws respect the first game. How you ask? Well, he was giving some sh*t because I suck at goal kicks and he wasn't so sure I could do the rest of things required to be a GK. Early in the game the old man got beat by a younger Lad and I saved his ass and he loved me ever since. A few months later I proposed to my wife in Paris, France. Guess where I got on my knee?

 
socalkdg said:
I disagree. Baseball and softball have been playing and practicing with thrown balls that touch hands. Basketball is happening on every outdoor Court I see. Field players in soccer have no need to use their hands. Have a parent wipe down the ball if need be since it does give an alternate to not sharing.
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Fingers crossed you are right.
 
Were all in this together. I'm just here to bring some fun to a very stressful time in all of our lives. No ones life is better than the other and were all pretty much in a tough spot. Here is a great clip from one of the all time greats.

 
Some counties like OC and Riverside posting references to youth sports practices or conditioning drill are now possible but leaving it up to cities or heath officers to give the go ahead.

One of the hang-ups that's been noted is distant training and compliance was not being followed by enough participants under the camp guidance. Mixed bag where it goes for here but when up to 50% are doing there own things instead of following the guidance there is some reluctance to open things back up, spot checks and video are one tool but compliance is a concern since most places don't have the staff to really monitor much.
 
lafalafa said:
Some counties like OC and Riverside posting references to youth sports practices or conditioning drill are now possible but leaving it up to cities or heath officers to give the go ahead.

One of the hang-ups that's been noted is distant training and compliance was not being followed by enough participants under the camp guidance. Mixed bag where it goes for here but when up to 50% are doing there own things instead of following the guidance there is some reluctance to open things back up, spot checks and video are one tool but compliance is a concern since most places don't have the staff to really monitor much.
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No kidding....just check out some of the videos in the 2011/2012 forum groups of the All Star Camp.

PS - good on them for pulling it off!
 
mid10 said:
L.A. County guidance & documents:
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Wow LA really painting everyone into corners

Physical distancing of six (6) feet between each player and between players and coaches is required at all times. Youth sports activities are limited to activities that enable all players and coaches to maintain a physical distance of at least six feet between each other at all times, and an eight feet distance during times of heavy physical exertion. These activities include but are not limited to training, conditioning, and skills-building activities. Contact sports cannot practice in the same manner as they used to practice prior to COVID-19.

All players, coaches, family members and visitors are required to wear an appropriate face covering that covers the nose and the mouth at all times, except while swimming,
showering, eating/drinking, or engaging in solo physical exertion (such as jogging by one’self). This applies to all adults and to children 2 years of age and older. Masks with one-way valves may not be used.

All youth sporting events, including tournaments, events or competitions are not permitted at this time. Practice games among players of the same team (intra-squad games, scrimmages, and/or matches) are allowed for non-contact sports only. Non-contact sports include those sports that allow all players in the game, scrimmage or match to maintain an
8-foot distance between one another during competition (for example, singles tennis
matches, golf matches, some track and field events).

Screening is conducted before players and coaches may participate in youth sports activities.

Checks must include a check-in concerning fever, cough, shortness of breath, difficulty
breathing and fever or chills, and whether the person has had contact with a person known or suspected to be infected with the Novel Coronavirus (COVID-19) within the last 14 days.

These checks can be done in person or through alternative methods such as on-line check in
systems or through signage posted at the entrance to the facility stating that visitors with these symptoms should not enter the premises.
 
Ellejustus said:
No one from Socal has played a game since last Feb ((allegedly)) and our socal goats need at least four weeks of full time ganas training before the big games . I see a light at the end of the tunnel everyone. Hope is hope and sometimes all you have is hope :)
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Has anyone played league games this year besides DA? I think ECNL games in So Cal hasn't happened since last year 2019? Is that accurate?
 
chiefs said:
Has anyone played league games this year besides DA? I think ECNL games in So Cal hasn't happened since last year 2019? Is that accurate?
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Yes, true. My dd played big time HS Soccer and that was her last game played Chiefs. Were not down with the underground game and the risk associated with it.
 
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