National Cup Boys 1999 Round of 16 tainted.

SoccerFan4Life

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I say we ban David Parsio from blogging when he is raging :) TBH, even if FCGS would be bringing kids from Brazil, it's not easy to get visas every year for new players. He couldnt do it every year because eventually he will get investigated by the US Govt. Also, how does he make money if he has to take care of them when they arrive? Does he own a hotel and pays for food and boarding? I mean, the kids have to be really really good for somebody to go out of their way to pick up all the expenses. I would love to hear someone from FCGS give their insight into this story.
 
To make sure I understand, this all started when a former FCGS parent/admin - who claims not to be disgruntled in the least bit - complained that CalSouth changed the first round playoff matchup of his kid’s former team. According to some, the matchup was changed to avoid two teams from the same group playing each other again in the first round of the playoffs. According to proponents of this theory, it isn’t fair for teams to play in the group stage and then again in the first round of playoffs because it only shows that you’re better or worse than one team and is not a true reflection of a team’s ability. Plus, it isn’t any fun having to play the same teams over and over. I will call this the “rational” argument.

Others have contended that a notoriously corrupt CalSouth conspired with the rich and powerful Bob of FCGS to manipulate the playoff seedings for the purpose of allowing his Goliath club to win the glorified rec tournament also known as National Cup, with the added benefit of sticking it to the little club and Bob’s former players by depriving them of the inevitable last minute college scholarships they would have received if only they’d been able to play 201 games in their careers instead of 200. More specifically, CalSouth turned a blind eye when Bob leveraged his vast financial resources to smuggle a super team of overage illegal alien racist professional Brazilian soccer stars over the border, and then trained them 8 hours a day, 5 days a week with no school or outside distractions to get in the way of total domination. Despite the valiant efforts of our hardworking American boys, who took the Brazilian juggernaut to OT, they just weren’t able to overcome the forces of evil and gracefully bowed out with only 3 yellow cards, compared to the 4 yellows and a red received by their evil, racist, cheating opponents. I will call this the “irrational” argument.

Did I miss anything?
 

SoccerFan4Life

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CoachSamy As a HS teacher I am far from prejudice or maybe I am against people who act stupid but last time I looked at the Far West Regional logo it said in white highlight in red background “US Youth Soccer” Last time I looked at the National Championship logo it said the same thing “US Youth Soccer”. When looking at the Dallas Cup I see that it says nothing about US it says “Welcome Word”. I think you have completely missed the point but that’s ok some of my students do that every day in my classroom.
But so you know, I did root for Golden State at Dallas Cup. I was glad they won it. No prejudice what so ever! I am actually very disappointed that our CalSouth representative for the “US Youth Soccer” Far West Regionals could actually be a mispresesnted non US Youth team. That’s all I’m saying my friend but I’m sure you will figure something wrong with it. Have fun dwelling over it.
That's the dumbest thing that you could have said. Honestly! So I guess we should not have our American youth players in Germany's youth league? Dude, this is America, we are a melting pot. People from all over the world are coming over here legally, with visas, without visas (don't agree with this). Bottom line, stop this nationalistic approach to soccer. The only way that our kids will get better is to have exposure with players from other countries. There's a reason why the US is not in the World Cup! Stop making this about a Nationalism perspective.
 

El Clasico

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More of a question than a statement.

Do college coaches care who wins? It seems like they would be there to see players play and see how they think they would fit their system. Who they play and the result seem like something they don't care about.
How can a coach watch them play this week if they got eliminated last week?
 
Ok SoccerFan4Life I guess it came accross incorrectly. I am a rule follower so that’s what I’m getting at, I agree with your statement. I get the melting pot. So maybe a better expample is US athletes in the olympics we have all different cultures compete for us in the olympics but what must they have to compete? Same with the world cup team, what must they posses in order to compete? Like I posted in my very first post. What must the Brazilians have in order to compete in our US Youth Soccer Tournament? Don’t think GS needed this for Dallas Cup. If they have clearances and all is up and up then I’ll shut my trap. Oh and your comment about "
There's a reason why the US is not in the World Cup!” Just think it was shitty coaching or lack of intensity not your reasoning.
7.17. INTERNATIONAL CLEARANCES (USYS Policy Rule 207)
 

Lambchop

GOLD
I'm still missing the point of this thread's complaints.

CalSouth is corrupt because a club has a lot of Brazilian kids in a team?

CalSouth is corrupt because the wild card seeding gets alter so a team that has a lot of Brazilian kids doesn't play the same team that beats them in pool play again?

FCGS Owner is a racist pig when he allegedly when out his way to put a team of 18-19 yrs. old kids that are Brazilian?

The Brazilian kids are taking away scholarships that are meant for Soltilo FC players?

The Brazilian kids look older than the Soltilo FC players and therefore they should not be competing against Soltilo FC?

The NCAA can't be bought?

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Newsflash, life is unfair! This is a great reason why soccer will never progress in this country. The sense of entitlement that everything should be given in a silver platter because you paid your way through is not how you succeed in life. If Soltilo FC players decided to wait until their last year of club soccer to figure out their collegiate life and to depend solely on that, those poor kids have a rocky road ahead. Lastly if 18-19 yrs old are afraid of playing some D level players from Brazil (as accused by the OP and his alter ego) they are not ready to compete and claim that they will be these great players. Pulisic was 16-17 yrs old when he was playing against some of the world best players in Dortmund, so at that age if you are good and your team is good you will play anyone.

Stop making excuses for your children and confront the challenge head on!
Last time I looked Pulisic is a single player, not an entire team. Apples and oranges.
 
Ok SoccerFan4Life I guess it came accross incorrectly. I am a rule follower so that’s what I’m getting at, I agree with your statement. I get the melting pot. So maybe a better expample is US athletes in the olympics we have all different cultures compete for us in the olympics but what must they have to compete? Same with the world cup team, what must they posses in order to compete? Like I posted in my very first post. What must the Brazilians have in order to compete in our US Youth Soccer Tournament? Don’t think GS needed this for Dallas Cup. If they have clearances and all is up and up then I’ll shut my trap. Oh and your comment about "
There's a reason why the US is not in the World Cup!” Just think it was shitty coaching or lack of intensity not your reasoning.
7.17. INTERNATIONAL CLEARANCES (USYS Policy Rule 207)
I can see you are no globalist.
What the hell is wrong about following the rules?
I am pretty sure all of us will take the bad soccer in order to live here, importing the world's problems isn't worth 100 world cups.
 

SoccerFan4Life

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Last time I looked Pulisic is a single player, not an entire team. Apples and oranges.

Pulisic, Haji Wright, Weston McKennie, Nick Taitague, and about another 4 or 5 going over this year. Josh Sargent is going thi year and I cannot recall the lesser known players.
 

SoccerFrenzy

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I say we ban David Parsio from blogging when he is raging :) TBH, even if FCGS would be bringing kids from Brazil, it's not easy to get visas every year for new players. He couldnt do it every year because eventually he will get investigated by the US Govt. Also, how does he make money if he has to take care of them when they arrive? Does he own a hotel and pays for food and boarding? I mean, the kids have to be really really good for somebody to go out of their way to pick up all the expenses. I would love to hear someone from FCGS give their insight into this story.
I have heard from folks at FCGS that he pays for everyone on the elite team. He brings these players from Brazil and houses them at his mansion. All expenses paid. Just what we have heard
 
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I have heard from folks at FCGS that he pays for everyone on the elite team. He brings these players from Brazil and houses them at his mansion. All expenses paid. Just what we have heard
Good for him. The US Government operates approximately 800 military bases abroad, plus who knows how many foreign schools for children of diplomats, expats, business people and other Americans. American kids have been proudly beating the crap out of foreign kids in their own youth basketball and baseball leagues for almost 70 years, which no one seems to mind. But one lower level group of 18 year old Brazilians brings their futbol here and we act like it’s an existential threat to the American way of life and assume they’re illegal aliens and cheaters.
 

SoccerFrenzy

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Good for him. The US Government operates approximately 800 military bases abroad, plus who knows how many foreign schools for children of diplomats, expats, business people and other Americans. American kids have been proudly beating the crap out of foreign kids in their own youth basketball and baseball leagues for almost 70 years, which no one seems to mind. But one lower level group of 18 year old Brazilians brings their futbol here and we act like it’s an existential threat to the American way of life and assume they’re illegal aliens and cheaters.
Completely agree with you. Not saying what he is doing is wrong just replying to the question asked. Don't shoot the messenger. I think if he is bring them here to better their life, great job for giving them the opportunity to get a decent education and bettering the lives of them and their families
 

exkeeper

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Yes, it is normal practice for wild card teams to get moved around if a match up from bracket play ends up the same. It happened last year in National Cup on the girls side. My daughters team ended up as the first wild card and the second wild card matched up against the same bracket team. The schedule went back and forth a few time with our game be changed and the 3rd WC team being changed. It ended up with the 2nd and 3rd WC teams changing opponents. It was a small club that was changed, so it has nothing to do with money and they do it all the time.

However, if you want to talk corrupt because of the AS situation and other things, I could buy into that, but switching WC teams is not corruption as it has been done before.
 
Is it weird or coincidence that the link for CalSouth's 1999 boys NC schedules and results isn't working? All the other age groups work, but this one has been returning a "502 server" error all day...hmm
 

Eagle33

GOLD
I happened to see this team play both Sat and Sun and as an observer can give you my 2 cents....
This FCGS team is very good and play great soccer
They are 150% Brazilian
They do look older, but so what? At 18yo any player should able to play with men.

I think it's great to play a team like this. Soltilo game was a great game to watch with plenty of goals and good soccer. Parents complained more than players, but this is to be expected. Galaxy game was not as good, but Galaxy didn't convert chances they had and that made a difference.
Even though this FCGS team is good, I don't think they will win it all. Strikers will give them run for their money and if they happen to beat Strikers, WC or Fullerton will be another challenge, as both of those team filled with College players.
 
CoachSamy As a HS teacher I am far from prejudice or maybe I am against people who act stupid but last time I looked at the Far West Regional logo it said in white highlight in red background “US Youth Soccer” Last time I looked at the National Championship logo it said the same thing “US Youth Soccer”. When looking at the Dallas Cup I see that it says nothing about US it says “Welcome Word”. I think you have completely missed the point but that’s ok some of my students do that every day in my classroom.
But so you know, I did root for Golden State at Dallas Cup. I was glad they won it. No prejudice what so ever! I am actually very disappointed that our CalSouth representative for the “US Youth Soccer” Far West Regionals could actually be a mispresesnted non US Youth team. That’s all I’m saying my friend but I’m sure you will figure something wrong with it. Have fun dwelling over it.
Take that @coachsamy. I might add that the last time I looked at the American Airlines logo, it was also red, white and blue. These foreigners need to stay off our national airline for Americans only and just fly Southwest, which quite clearly uses brown and yellow logo colors for a reason. These foreigners can all also starve to death because the largest food distributor here in ‘merica quite clearly says US Foods. And stay out of our buildings made with US Steel. You also don’t see any foreigners in the National Basketball Association, do you? And do you know why they check your citizenship status every time you use Federal Express? Foreigners should know they can only use UPS, with its brown logo and all.

The law is quite clear that a company should exclude any non-citizen so long as it puts the right patriotic label in its name and its logo is red, white and blue. Duh.

God help our students.
 

coachsamy

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You know nothing of me to say people that have my thinking. You may love success stories but you seem to not recognize that even in success, there are differences. As you've noted before in a different context, life isn't fair. Its just certain.

As for your last comment, not sure what you mean by 8 years but if you mean that parents didn't do their job to raise kids, then who's fault is that? As for the metaphor, luckily I don't know any kids like that myself, including mine in college. It just plays off of stereotype from likes of Fast Time at Ridgemont High.... Nothing to do with the reality and is insulting to parallel these young student athletes to that.
I don't know nothing about you other what you post! You clearly said that not all kids are great students, which to me means that if a kid doesn't do good in school is automatically not a great student.

I'm referring of the past administration in the last 8 years in which people's feelings got weaker and the sense of entitlement that people have generated without earning anything.

According to the OP this was such a life changing event to which the metaphor sadly has certain correlation to it. If a parent is resolving all the issues of a High School student is the biggest disservice the parent can do for them in life. Is the OP going to his son college to protest that his son scholarship got cut because x y or z. Is the OP going to throw another tantrum because the NCAA D2 made a change in the brackets of their tournament?? These are not Ulittles and shouldn't be treated as such either.
 

coachsamy

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CoachSamy As a HS teacher I am far from prejudice or maybe I am against people who act stupid but last time I looked at the Far West Regional logo it said in white highlight in red background “US Youth Soccer” Last time I looked at the National Championship logo it said the same thing “US Youth Soccer”. When looking at the Dallas Cup I see that it says nothing about US it says “Welcome Word”. I think you have completely missed the point but that’s ok some of my students do that every day in my classroom.
But so you know, I did root for Golden State at Dallas Cup. I was glad they won it. No prejudice what so ever! I am actually very disappointed that our CalSouth representative for the “US Youth Soccer” Far West Regionals could actually be a mispresesnted non US Youth team. That’s all I’m saying my friend but I’m sure you will figure something wrong with it. Have fun dwelling over it.
Your own contradiction proves my point.

That you are a HS teacher doesn't mean anything whether or not you are prejudist. I'd met prejudist people in the military, law enforcement and many other places where they shouldn't be but they are and sadly in the case of law enforcement gives them a bad name.

Stop giving so much emphasis to this recreational tournament and advocate for high school athletics gain their place again.
 

coachsamy

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Last time I looked Pulisic is a single player, not an entire team. Apples and oranges.
Point is that 18 years are NOT Ulittles and they can play against older competition without any disadvantage. There are 1999 kids playing in MLS and many other leagues around the world.
 

Lambchop

GOLD
I happened to see this team play both Sat and Sun and as an observer can give you my 2 cents....
This FCGS team is very good and play great soccer
They are 150% Brazilian
They do look older, but so what? At 18yo any player should able to play with men.

I think it's great to play a team like this. Soltilo game was a great game to watch with plenty of goals and good soccer. Parents complained more than players, but this is to be expected. Galaxy game was not as good, but Galaxy didn't convert chances they had and that made a difference.
Even though this FCGS team is good, I don't think they will win it all. Strikers will give them run for their money and if they happen to beat Strikers, WC or Fullerton will be another challenge, as both of those team filled with College players.
"So what"?? Therein lies the problem today. Honesty and integrity are no longer valued. Yes, at 18 players do play against older players and even old men, in college, in pros, semi pros, pick up leagues etc etc etc. That is not the point. If you don't understand then you are part of the problem.
 
Is this issue about the wild card seedings being switched or about players not being within the roster rules?
Has anyone asked the "kids" (who are 18) how they feel about this?
 
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