Memo to coaches: You're ruining your keepers, and here's why!

cheaper2keeper

SILVER ELITE
My contribution is this:

11. Have constant communication with the clubs keeper trainer to know what they are currently working on and provide feedback on what you see in the game. For my DD only the current club she is at does this. The rest seemed to just let the keeper go to training and expect that all the issues they've had in games to be addressed by the next game without any effort on their part to make the trainer aware.
 
My contribution is this:

11. Have constant communication with the clubs keeper trainer to know what they are currently working on and provide feedback on what you see in the game. For my DD only the current club she is at does this. The rest seemed to just let the keeper go to training and expect that all the issues they've had in games to be addressed by the next game without any effort on their part to make the trainer aware.
Right?! I ensure my daughter communicates with the trainer and I text the trainers the good and the bad. If I have videos I send them to him. They always seem to appreciate it because they want to make my daughter better too.
 
My contribution is this:

11. Have constant communication with the clubs keeper trainer to know what they are currently working on and provide feedback on what you see in the game. For my DD only the current club she is at does this. The rest seemed to just let the keeper go to training and expect that all the issues they've had in games to be addressed by the next game without any effort on their part to make the trainer aware.

It helps if the keeper trainer is working one on one with the keeper or in a very small group with like sorted keepers. Otherwise, it's really tough for the keeper coach. One kid might already have the catching skills down, while another needs to be working on the drop step. One might be having timing issues on the dive, while another needs to work on distribution. My son has been frustrated with club keeper training these last 2 years (I tell him he needs to suck it up somewhat)....his stance and his catch are really solid already but at the beginning of every season there's a new keeper and the keeper coach has to work the basics, meanwhile the others aren't ready to work on those high balls and the drop step like he's working on now. The keeper coach is in an impossible situation of trying to help everyone. Don't get me wrong....repeating the basics helps every keeper and the keeper coach does a fantastic job of making it extra challenging for him by putting pace on the ball....but parents sometimes get frustrated if the keeper coach doesn't address the specific problems in games (it's not really fair....perhaps the kid isn't ready to address that problem yet and has to work on other basics, and maybe the class isn't there yet either).

It also helps if the keeper coach is on staff and can go to the games to watch and coach the player one on one. My son's first club was set up that way, but they had way too much turnover in the position (4 in 1 year) and several of them weren't great, but when it worked it was really helpful.

That's why I think so many keeper parents are forced to become knowledgeable in the position, because in many clubs neither the coach nor the keeper trainer can address the keeper's issues and parents have to find other means to address it.
 

Keeper pops

SILVER
To Mystery Train, BRAVO for this write up and I agree with you 100% from #1-#10. My DD has had a few years of being on a team with 2 keepers with the last 2 seasons as the #2 keep. We have accepted the situation and she likes to be the closer of the game: Win, Lose or Draw. You can say “she’s been there done that”

The “joy sticking” to me has been personally the most irritating one. A recent scenario. A foul occurred near or inside the box. CR calls foul in the box for a PK. DD always picks up the ball, stands by the PK spot and does her stare down to the kicker. CR immediately tells my DD to put the ball down so she did then. Coach yells at my DD that it’s not a PK and why did you put the ball down on the PK spot. CR & AR discussed and agreed the foul was just outside the box for a free kick. DD starts to set up her line as she has been doing it countless times thru keeper training. Joysticker yells and instructts my DD what to do with the last words “watch the ball,” Ball sailed above the cross bar. Really, she’s not a U little keeper anymore.
 
#3 I'm happy to say our coach stepped up for my daughter about a month back. She let one in she shouldn't have. Resulted in 2-2 tie. After the game he told the team my daughter had saved their butts numerous times and that everyone makes a mistake. I'd also add to the list the requirement to allow the keeper to take their own goal kicks.
 
#3 I'm happy to say our coach stepped up for my daughter about a month back. She let one in she shouldn't have. Resulted in 2-2 tie. After the game he told the team my daughter had saved their butts numerous times and that everyone makes a mistake. I'd also add to the list the requirement to allow the keeper to take their own goal kicks.
I wouldn't unless they show in practice that they are better at it than the big defender.
 

Dargle

SILVER ELITE
IMO this is a litmus test for whether coach is focused on winning vs. player development. If the big CB is taking the kicks then the focus is on winning. Also should be learning to play out of the back.
Not to mention it's bad for the defense because the center back is out of position when they take the goal kick. I saw a League Cup game last weekend where a team had a CB who could kick it to midfield on a fly. Problem was the other team's CB figured that out pretty quickly and sent a volley on the fly back to the top of the box where the unmarked striker (kept onside by the goal kick taker and the GK) controlled it and scored a goal because it was easy to move around the CB goal kick taker who was still running toward him to get into position rather than being set.
 
IMO this is a litmus test for whether coach is focused on winning vs. player development. If the big CB is taking the kicks then the focus is on winning. Also should be learning to play out of the back.
Having the keeper take long goal kicks is exactly the opposite of building out of the back.
 
Not to mention it's bad for the defense because the center back is out of position when they take the goal kick. I saw a League Cup game last weekend where a team had a CB who could kick it to midfield on a fly. Problem was the other team's CB figured that out pretty quickly and sent a volley on the fly back to the top of the box where the unmarked striker (kept onside by the goal kick taker and the GK) controlled it and scored a goal because it was easy to move around the CB goal kick taker who was still running toward him to get into position rather than being set.
What should the CB position be on a goal kick?
 
What should the CB position be on a goal kick?
If u are 11v11 using the classic Barcelona buildout with the option to go short or long, the DM is at the top of the box looking to hold on the breakaway counter but is not so far deep that it will keep a long ball passed over the top onside The CB's both split wide to give options on the short goalkick, and ready to run up and support the DM (so you have 3 players controlling the center) if the ball is not passed to them, and the RB and the LB play higher ready to provide options to the CB when they receive the ball.

If you pull back the CB then it forces you to use the RB and the LB on the wide to provide the option, the second CB replaces the DM (which means you are giving up not only a CB on the field, but also pulling the RB and LB as possession options back)
 
good read....seen a lot of coaches just totally ignore their GKs....then blame them for every goal like they're meant to be super human....coaches have to interact with their GKs, spend some one on one time with them, even if not warmups at least every few weeks give them some feedback or words of encouragement....its a lonely position and we need more GK's but who the heck wants it with the way many of these coaches just treat them like they don't exist.......
 

Dirtnap

BRONZE
Great post. I always make it a point to tell my dd's team keeper great game after every match regardless of the outcome. I grew up playing GK and my very first coach in AYSO was a small little guy from England and he told me some words I will always remember. "The best goalie in the world will never have to touch the ball" be strong, confident and don't be afraid to make mistakes because the ball has to get by 10 other players first.
 
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