Galloway was a horse ranch and had no soccer Dad back in the day. Games were played out at Birdsall ((Pachanga)) and then another place I cant remember. My dd was not a hat trick pony either. She wants the girls on the team to like her and not look like a ball hog so she passes the rock so others can taste the glory of scoring too. It would have read, "Crush dd gets game winner after assisting on first two goals of the game Leicester Cup finals, 3-2."
How will this affect womens sports in college?
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I never saw her play, just heard she's good.
Any luck on the college front, or still waiting?
You're too funny Dad. All quite on the Western front. Right now she's just looking to find a soccer match. Next week it's back on and she can be a teen again. Has her first hs school game in April. Looking at three games a week so need to be in shape for tough games through June. Any games at this point puts a smile on my face because I see everyone happy, especially the girls who have waited so long.
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Ok sure - arbitrary, subjective, selective, slippery slopes, all of the above and beyond.
Bottom line, all people who suffer from gender dysphoria (and all other DSM-V listed psychiatric disorders) have a right to live as they choose, so long as they do not trample over the rights of others in the process.
Currently, transgender policies are trampling over the rights of girls / women.
So my sons rights were trampled on when they rejiggered the age guidance? What about the right of the mtf who is substantially weaker and may even be on hormone blockers...doesn’t that person have a right to play without being trampled on by 18 year old boys at the height of their puberty?
Rights often collide with each other. The right of a racist to not admit minorities he dislikes to his country club. The right of a men’s club to organize alone without having to deal with women even though it gives them a leg up in business. The right of a Chinese restaurant to hire only Chinese service people because they want it to be authentic. The right of a wedding cake baker to not bake a gay wedding cake. My right to get air and sunlight for my house v your right to build your house higher even though it blocks my view. Your right to go in the freeway as fast as you want v my right to feel safe in my car. Your right to feel more secure against the Rona v my right not to wear a mask that restricts my breathing.
Certain rights are fundamental. They are mostly set out in the bill of rights. But even speech isnt absolute (fire in the crowded theatre, child porn). There’s always a balancing act. The question is how to balance things. In this case you have 2 rights that need to be balanced: the right of the biological girls/women to compete on a level playing field v the right of trans people to play. Hell, if it’s all about the level playing field let’s just abolish the gender split in sports and have everyone compete against everyone on a level playing field...may the best person win....works for the federation in starship troopers.
met61
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I'm sure you put a lot into this lengthy response, but to be honest with you, I stopped reading at "racist". Unfortunately, the term has been bastardized by the left and far too often misused and overused. For me, it is a discussion ender. Take care.
Are we arguing the exception or the rule?
Part of the problem with this issue is no one wants to acknowledge the other side has concerns. They just don’t want to hear it. So we get extreme positions like a transgendered person should be allowed to play at any level just by declaring they are female v no one should trample on women/girls rights and if that means someone else doesn’t have a place to play too bad.
met61
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Seems like every possible exception, but at "racist" I'm out.
No argument from me on that one.
But I’m talking more on the broader scale of this whole thread.
The NCAA decides its rules. The IOC decides its rules. ECNL decides its rules. Each HS sports governing body. That’s how things work. Sports governing bodies get to set their own rules, so long as their rules don’t break laws.
You know who doesn’t decide the rules? You. You’re just a sore loser. If you want to start the bigoty sports league, go for it.
No place to play? That’s a problem? I didn’t know we all had a right to a “place to play” D1 sports.
So, if I was not allowed to play intercollegiate sports, my fundamental rights have been violated?
Wow. I wish I had known that, as an overweight bookish math geek, I was being discriminated against. I had a constitutional right to play D1 hoops! All of NCAA history would have been different. That could have been me, dribbling past Terrence Tao and dunking on Noam Elkies. Of course, they’d have to lower the rim a couple feet for us.
Or maybe, if you don’t qualify for a particular sports team, just play ultimate frisbee in the quad like everyone else. No one will ask or care about your birth gender.
A. We agree then nothing about sports is “fair”. It’s purely from a happenstance at birth that you were born a bookish math geek and Michael Jordan was born with goat potential. Yeah effort and hard work can change some of that and Michael Jordan might not except by accident and effort be Michael Jordan, but you’ll never be Michael Jordan
B. I use the term rights in the natural law not constitutional law sense, because that’s what the poster used when he said his dd rights would be trampled. Where did this “right” come from? If you prefer a more appropriate term would be “interests”
C. I agree in part. My criticism of the far woke position is they frame this as a discrimination or constitutional rights perspective. Prior to politics getting involved this wasn’t handled as a legal issue. It was resolved by the ncaa which sought to balance the interests of the various parties concerned.
MicPaPa
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Ding, ding, ding...welcome to our country on woke democrat political BS! Hence, the point of the original post.
met61
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Let me make it simple for you dummy; it is the leftist db's elected by you and your merry band of morons that mandate the policies forcing rule changes by the governing bodies.
You left out the part where, if the gay lobby doesn't like your rules, they sue you and drag your name through the mud.
For major organizations, this works. Remember that the real goal is to sell TV ads and skim a bit off the top. From that angle, allowing a tiny fraction of men into the women’s competition is a small price to pay for being able to grab your share of the IOC bribes this year.
But don’t be surprised when people react against it. Not many people look to the IOC or NCAA for their moral compass. People have a basic notion of fair play, and it doesn’t include a 6’6” 240 pound man shoving college girls out of the way to get a rebound.
Disclaimer: I am what would be considered "the left". I absolutely believe in protections and equality for LGBTQ, I believe (and have always believed) that gays should be allowed to marry. All of that being said to pretend that there isn't a biological difference between transwomen and biological women is ridiculous. There is an obvious advantage if you were born a male, with all the extra muscle mass, testosterone, etc. and then convert to a female. How long this difference last is the material point. To scream "bigot!!!" when people simply try to bring up this fact is getting us nowhere. Same goes for those who state transwomen should never be allowed to compete in women's sports.
Let's look at the science. How long after a male is transitioned to a female until the hormones and muscle become more equal? Or is the biological advantage a transwoman has over a biological permanent?
To not discuss this issue at all is not going to solve anything. There IS a difference between biological females and trans females--there just is--how long does that difference last is the question. That's what needs to be discussed.
Complex issue: Protect women's sports while welcoming trans athletes (usatoday.com)
Is there any science that hormone therapy ever actually reduces male athletic performance to that of a female?
if so, link please.
Which female? The high performing possibly high testosterone female Olympic athlete or your run of the mill average college female? Why is the test reduce performance to that of a female and not reduces performance to below that of a male (so the athlete can no longer compete with other biological males)? Does it matter if it’s hormone therapy or actual transition which eliminates the main source of testosterone?
kickingandscreaming
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Perspective is good.