GunScare @ Albion Cup?

Emma

SILVER
Absolutely horrible response. No I don’t believe most parents would have acted in the same manner. The only time it is acceptable to put a hand on a minor if to prevent further harm and that would be getting the kid in a hold, not escalating this situation as happened here. I have personally put a teen in a lock hold to make an arrest and prevent further harm and I have seen teens jump on top of a kid being attacked during a soccer game in an effort to protect him from
further harm. If there are options, you don’t beat on anyone ever.
It's not a horrible response. It's an honest response. If you think your natural parental instincts would allow you time to stay calm and digest the situation as your 9/10 year child is being attacked by an older person blindly out of nowhere, then kudos to you but my natural instincts would have been to pull that kid off and knock him out so he can't continue beating up on my kid. I'd probably get my asked kicked though. Cleaning porta potties, although a fantastic idea, may not prevent another attack by this teenager in the future. That teenager learned a good life lesson - you don't attack a younger child during a soccer match with their parents watching. You'll bear the consequences.

As for the guy who pretended he had a gun to prevent four people from continuing to beat up on him, let the cops decide whether he was telling the truth or doing the right thing based on their review of the evidence.

Both sidelines and teams should be punished severely for this situation because it lead to a lot of emotional harm. There was no reason for anyone but the parent of the child being hit to run out to the field. That's right, I don't believe in waiting for a ref or anyone to protect my child when s/he is being attacked. If that concussion blow lands before I get there, I'll never forgive myself.

Both sidelines should not be allowed at state cup and a one year ban from all youth soccer games. The kids playing can't be punished because I'm sure they were also traumatized in all this. No need to further punish the children.
 
My last comment on this...after watching several of the videos from what's posted online, it appears that one of the Azteca kids pushes Albioin south kid, then he pushes back, there's some additional pushing and the ref comes over. As ref is starting to assert himself, the person from the sideline comes running onto the field and sucker punches the Albion kid, then as you can expect, other people come running off the sideline to protect their players etc.

I didn't see punches thrown by players, only the sideline person. So here's my punishment recommendation: ban the Azteca team from State Cup if they are playing in it. Sucks for the other families but there should be zero tolerance for spectators punching players. It's not enough to just punish the actor. Suspend the Albion player for 1 State Cup game. Ban the guy who said he had a gun from State Cup and future Albion events for one year--I don't care if your afraid, you can't say you have a gun and posture to use it, just like you can't scream "fire" in a movie theater.

As a good will gesture, Albion should offer teams that were there playing at the time 50% discount to next year's January Albion Tournament. Don't have it at Galway.
How about the teen that started this mess, the teenager for punching the Albion player. He definitely needs some punishment no?
 

Stryprod

SILVER
where can you find some of the videos? I looked on youtube, but only found some news reports
Videos and pictures have been shared with Riverside SD as well as some made it to the news. There was a professional video cam on pole for the game. Not sure if it was recording or not, but hopefully they can get access to that.
 
Videos and pictures have been shared with Riverside SD as well as some made it to the news. There was a professional video cam on pole for the game. Not sure if it was recording or not, but hopefully they can get access to that.
Someone above mentioned videos they have seen. Any links known to them?
 

Stryprod

SILVER
How about the teen that started this mess, the teenager for punching the Albion player. He definitely needs some punishment no?
Absolutely. It's a tangled mess with some more culpable than others, e.g., teenager, "gun" dad, but there is plenty of blame to go around.

Both team's spectators, pre-melee, were acting in a disgusting and unsportsmanlike manner towards each other and game officials.
The coach that received a yellow for dissent/yelling was a poor role model and contributed to elevating the temperature of the game.
The player who started the pushing acted in a severely unsportsmanlike manner.

We were/are one step away from carnage. It's time to put the hammer down and stop this madness.
 

greekgirl

BRONZE
When I got to work this morning there was a company-wide email that we are having active shooter training over the next few months. I work in the medical device industry. I think this is very telling, times are changing.
 
I agree with what your saying
We should blame the club that focus on winning only. it was bad blood between the 2 teams already . Aztecs and chula vista clubs are blaming albion for steeling their players. we need to focus on development and cal south should implement Zip code rule and force the clubs and the coaches to get educated to how to develop the kids . we are teachers not coaches .coaches coach college and pro leagues. it is a shame what is happening to youth soccer . winning is more important than developing .we value the coaches by how many games they won not by how many players they develop . Please parents enjoy the journey and have fun with your kids. Yesterday my kids were young and playing around the house ; today they in college playing sports but you always feel that you did not spend enough time with them.
 
Wow. That news clip.
lots of video of what happened.
But the fact that they mentioned the score of the game- is that really important?
And the fact that the club has tryouts the next day?
I think if our team ran scrambling from a threat of gunfire, we might take a few days off.
 

watfly

GOLD
Wow. That news clip.
lots of video of what happened.
But the fact that they mentioned the score of the game- is that really important?
And the fact that the club has tryouts the next day?
I think if our team ran scrambling from a threat of gunfire, we might take a few days off.
Albion is in damage control mode and placing the sole blame on the kid that ran on the field ( based on comments from NG and ZK). Great job on playing the victim card, despite reports that Albion parents participated in the melee. So many points in this whole situation that an adult(s) could have done the right thing. Its not too late now, but unfortunately its likely to be just swept under the rug. Player safety is a myth in youth soccer, as is adult accountability across the board from Clubs, Docs, Coaches, Parents and Refs.
 

Stryprod

SILVER
Excellent video and shows referee was attempting to manage the situation - good job ref!

I want to really highlight is the following:
Action was near the goal on the right side of the field (looking from spectators towards coaches) and can be seen in the video
Man with "gun" is on left side of field AWAY from action and any immediate threat of harm. Hard and faint to see, but look at 1:21-1:23 and you can see him.

Important Questions to Ask:
Which side of the field were the Azteca fans, and which were the Albion?
Why was this guy on the left side?
Why are there spectators near this guy on the left side of the field that seem to be in the video with the Albion coach?

Still some fog.

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Wow. That news clip.
lots of video of what happened.
But the fact that they mentioned the score of the game- is that really important?
And the fact that the club has tryouts the next day?
I think if our team ran scrambling from a threat of gunfire, we might take a few days off.
The whole mess is a microcosm of what's wrong in today youth sports business.

Way too much vesting in a kids game by parents, siblings, coaches, etc. There is always people mad, unhappy about something and they have to shout, scream, and argue about the smallest things sometimes.

This was a case of snowball that created a avalanche without any order or people managing the situation rationally. There are standards, code of conducts, procedures, etc to follow but very few people are really doing due diligence about them so you get mayhem like what never should have snowballed like it did. Field Marshall's should have been taking care of this or something.

Parents & families on both the teams in question should really get some counseling & appropriate conduct training before they attend any future events. So goes for the Coaches and others involved, complete a reeducation course or something like what is done for traffic violations/ traffic school, get cleared before they allowed to participate again.
 

met61

BRONZE
The result of the fight at the tournament was a direct result of Parents and Siblings "POLICING THEMSELVES"

It happens too often in soccer now , Im around a lot of games tournaments and showcases and let me say , there is little to no respect for officials or coaches, so if some person that just joins this forums hours after this melee happens and says that we need to police ourselves and take matters into out own hands, I disagree with his statement , thats the direct cause of the problem . You have to respect the system in place.

Coaches are there to mentor players and refs are there to officiate as best as they can.

Parents are there to cheer for their little debbie and danny and that's its..

Its embarrassing when I hear parents moan, yell and shout at other players either on their team or on the opposing team.
All that tension just builds....then they get into the ref and all hell breaks loose cause some parent is screaming offsides from 100ft away , really??!! Its a fire that burns and parents feed it and feed it....till that stop and people stop thinking their above the law, this problems will never get solved. If someone filmed girls high school parents they'd make serious money its the new dance moms.....and trust me the right people are taking notes on certain parent behaviors. So many parents ruin it for their kids...


Its the worse at the age between 7-12 cause everyone DD/BB is a star.
and I feel great BTW.
Rather than labeling someone a "dummy"...this is more civil and classier response to an opinion and experience that differs from your own. Thanks.
 

BIGD

BRONZE
Albion is in damage control mode and placing the sole blame on the kid that ran on the field ( based on comments from NG and ZK). Great job on playing the victim card, despite reports that Albion parents participated in the melee. So many points in this whole situation that an adult(s) could have done the right thing. Its not too late now, but unfortunately its likely to be just swept under the rug. Player safety is a myth in youth soccer, as is adult accountability across the board from Clubs, Docs, Coaches, Parents and Refs.
So the power to force change lies with parents and referees. Youth soccer needs both to exist. What are we prepared to do about this beyond griping on a forum? Let's be real with ourselves; if we think this was totally unacceptable and our players safety is really at risk, why are we not willing to remove our children from the environment? Which families are willing to back of out State Cup? Take a break from club soccer? What are the referee associations willing to do; they take the brunt of the toxic parent culture. Are they willing to strike until Cal South hands out consequences for this weekend and in the future?
 

watfly

GOLD
So the power to force change lies with parents and referees. Youth soccer needs both to exist. What are we prepared to do about this beyond griping on a forum? Let's be real with ourselves; if we think this was totally unacceptable and our players safety is really at risk, why are we not willing to remove our children from the environment? Which families are willing to back of out State Cup? Take a break from club soccer? What are the referee associations willing to do; they take the brunt of the toxic parent culture. Are they willing to strike until Cal South hands out consequences for this weekend and in the future?
I do more than gripe.

I went directly to the board of a club to address a toxic situation with the support of parents on the team. At the end of the day, a few families were willing to reveal their identities and confirm my reports. Unfortunately, the bulk of the families backed out for the fear of repercussions from the club. Despite well documented evidence of abusive behavior, nothing was done by the club. We left the club and couldn't be happier. That's what our family has done. Every family has to make the decision that's best for them and find the situation they're comfortable with. However, I know a lot of parents will accept a lot of misbehavior to play on the top or winning team. Unfortunately, for every family that's willing to take a stand there's 10 families that are willing to play the "game".
 

way up

SILVER ELITE
We should blame the club that focus on winning only. it was bad blood between the 2 teams already . Aztecs and chula vista clubs are blaming albion for steeling their players. we need to focus on development and cal south should implement Zip code rule and force the clubs and the coaches to get educated to how to develop the kids . we are teachers not coaches .coaches coach college and pro leagues. it is a shame what is happening to youth soccer . winning is more important than developing .we value the coaches by how many games they won not by how many players they develop . Please parents enjoy the journey and have fun with your kids. Yesterday my kids were young and playing around the house ; today they in college playing sports but you always feel that you did not spend enough time with them.
I so disagree with this! You can aim and work to win without resorting to this crap. Please don't associate great competition and desire to win with poor sportsmanship, juvenile behavior, and violence. If anything, those who really desire to win and perform well should cherish rivalry and hard challenge from great teams. Thats what brings out the best in players and teams. Hard, great competition is a beautiful, amazing thing and has nothing to do with this poor behavior!! We keep score for a reason and kids need to be brought up to keep it on the field of competition. There is a lot of emotion in sports and competition. Again, in high school, home and away fans are separated.

Score is kept for a reason. There are tryouts for a reason. There are brackets and divisions inside tournaments for a reason. Don't conflate bad behavior from some with great competition and desire to win. It's very unfair!
 
So the power to force change lies with parents and referees. Youth soccer needs both to exist. What are we prepared to do about this beyond griping on a forum? Let's be real with ourselves; if we think this was totally unacceptable and our players safety is really at risk, why are we not willing to remove our children from the environment? Which families are willing to back of out State Cup? Take a break from club soccer? What are the referee associations willing to do; they take the brunt of the toxic parent culture. Are they willing to strike until Cal South hands out consequences for this weekend and in the future?
Agreed but there’s to many moving parts to get solidarity out of parents.
 

BIGD

BRONZE
I do more than gripe.

I went directly to the board of a club to address a toxic situation with the support of parents on the team. At the end of the day, a few families were willing to reveal their identities and confirm my reports. Unfortunately, the bulk of the families backed out for the fear of repercussions from the club. Despite well documented evidence of abusive behavior, nothing was done by the club. We left the club and couldn't be happier. That's what our family has done. Every family has to make the decision that's best for them and find the situation they're comfortable with. However, I know a lot of parents will accept a lot of misbehavior to play on the top or winning team. Unfortunately, for every family that's willing to take a stand there's 10 families that are willing to play the "game".
Leaving a club or a coach is definitely doing something in a specific situation but I was referencing this recent incident and the entire youth soccer system that's being complained about on this thread. Although I replied to your comment about the youth system and player safety, I was not directing that question at you.
 
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