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watfly

GOLD
This is just a suggestion, I'm not telling you what to do but I would encourage you to wear a mask when required out of respect for others that are deathly afraid of Covid (some may have legitimate reasons like comorbidities or age although they should still be quarantining). To restart the economy and to prevent other health crises we need even the Chicken Littles to participate in the new normal. Plus you don't want to incur the wrath of Newsom like OC has.
 
I would like to pose a question. There is no doubt this virus affects some in a very serious manner and a short term “safety in place” measure was warranted in order to better prepare for a new novel virus. However, there is a homeless population of over 60,000 in LA. None of which are socially distancing, none of which are bathing regularly or washing their hands regularly. Many of which share cigarettes, meth pipes and often times needles.
So my question is.....why haven’t we seen a devastating number of deaths plaguing this part of our society here in LA?
 

MSK357

GOLD
Nope. Where do you recommend he should have sent them?

Remember, no room in the hospitals.

This is why it was so important to flatten the curve, and keep it flat. If you run out of hospital space, bad things happen.

A smarter man who actually wanted to save lives instead of put them as risk would have used what the president gave him for support.
 

MSK357

GOLD
I would like to pose a question. There is no doubt this virus affects some in a very serious manner and a short term “safety in place” measure was warranted in order to better prepare for a new novel virus. However, there is a homeless population of over 60,000 in LA. None of which are socially distancing, none of which are bathing regularly or washing their hands regularly. Many of which share cigarettes, meth pipes and often times needles.
So my question is.....why haven’t we seen a devastating number of deaths plaguing this part of our society here in LA?
Because they aren't sheltering in place. Their immune system is probably stronger than those staying in their homes. They get vitamin D from the sun, their immune system is probably working hard and is much higher being out in the environment. Plus I think they are socially distanced from the general public. People that have the money to travel to foreign countries like China/Italy would keep a somewhat level of distance from someone living on the street. For all those reasons is why I think they haven't been effected like the ones sheltering in place/nursing homes.
 
Because they aren't sheltering in place. Their immune system is probably stronger than those staying in their homes. They get vitamin D from the sun, their immune system is probably working hard and is much higher being out in the environment. Plus I think they are socially distanced from the general public. People that have the money to travel to foreign countries like China/Italy would keep a somewhat level of distance from someone living on the street. For all those reasons is why I think they haven't been effected like the ones sheltering in place/nursing homes.
But they started reporting cases on Homeless back in early April......then went silent.
 
that's why cuomo snuck that language into his bill that gave the nursing home proprietors immunity from suit. but you know - - he's a hero 'n stuff.

it's a good thing he didn't have a gas chamber available.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/nyt-report-cuomo-aides-quietly-inserted-nursing-home-immunity-provision-into-ny-budget


So was the Comfort. But whatever you do don't let them back into a nursing home that can't isolate them and can't protect the other residents. How stupid do you have to be.
 

EOTL

SILVER ELITE
that's why cuomo snuck that language into his bill that gave the nursing home proprietors immunity from suit. but you know - - he's a hero 'n stuff.

it's a good thing he didn't have a gas chamber available.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/nyt-report-cuomo-aides-quietly-inserted-nursing-home-immunity-provision-into-ny-budget
Not including language like that would likely lead to the end of nursing homes. The unfortunate reality is that failing to limit their liability is probably worse for society than the alternative. The sheer number of lawsuits likely to result as a result of al the Covid-19 deaths would put most nursing homes out of business and also make insurance cost prohibitive without regard to whether the nursing home actually did anything unlawful.

Also, the whole notion that a governor “snuck it in” is ridiculous. It must be approved by the state assembly. If assembly members voted for the budget without reading it, that’s their fault. And if someone voted for one of those lazy idiots, it is also theirs. And if they then failed to repeal it after the NY Times pointed it out, it is doubly their fault, and also the voters.
 

dad4

GOLD
javits center was vacant
That made me look it up.

True in hindsight. Based on the projections available at the time, you can see what they were thinking. Why move everyone into Javits when we will only have to move them right back out 2 weeks from now.

One more reason good projections matter.
 
Good news today:
1. I received an email from calsouth that they still plan on having CRL start at the end of June. This means they have to release insurances for all clubs before then.
2. On Friday Newsom added casinos and card rooms would also be able to reopen in June if current trends hold.
Heck, if they allow casino/card rooms to open in June, they have to allow youth sports. Those places have so many germs that I am surprised covid didn’t start from a Casino. Lol.
 
Good news today:
1. I received an email from calsouth that they still plan on having CRL start at the end of June. This means they have to release insurances for all clubs before then.
2. On Friday Newsom added casinos and card rooms would also be able to reopen in June if current trends hold.
Heck, if they allow casino/card rooms to open in June, they have to allow youth sports. Those places have so many germs that I am surprised covid didn’t start from a Casino. Lol.
Very good news. NY City has cops as back up to the "patrol" folks to make sure no one takes a dip in the ocean. Happy Memorial Day Weekend everyone. Go America!!!!
 

watfly

GOLD
Good news today:
1. I received an email from calsouth that they still plan on having CRL start at the end of June. This means they have to release insurances for all clubs before then.
2. On Friday Newsom added casinos and card rooms would also be able to reopen in June if current trends hold.
Heck, if they allow casino/card rooms to open in June, they have to allow youth sports. Those places have so many germs that I am surprised covid didn’t start from a Casino. Lol.
All but one casino in SD County is opening this week. The reservation casinos are not subject to Newsom's dictates.
 

watfly

GOLD
That made me look it up.

True in hindsight. Based on the projections available at the time, you can see what they were thinking. Why move everyone into Javits when we will only have to move them right back out 2 weeks from now.

One more reason good projections matter.
That's why you rely on whats actually happening and not projections. It was wholly irresponsible of Coumo to mandate this policy. He can't be, but he should be charged with criminal negligence.
 

dad4

GOLD
That's why you rely on whats actually happening and not projections. It was wholly irresponsible of Coumo to mandate this policy. He can't be, but he should be charged with criminal negligence.
Without projections, how do you have beds and supplies on hand to treat patients?

Remember that Javits only existed because of projections. If you say “no projections”, then you can’t also argue “we should have used Javits”. Without projections, Javits doesn’t exist and your recovering Covid patients are still back at nursing homes.

What you mean is, we need better projections, so we know enough to build Javits and use it properly.
 
If it's so straightforward and logical, why didn't cuomo draw attention to it during his ceaseless public blathering rather than repeating myriad clap trap on a daily basis. It's a rather big deal, no? Instead he swept it under the rug hoping the electorate would sustain their blissful ignorance.

The fact is, Cuomo had self-preservation in mind as his highest priority, as it was he and his health chief Zucker that ordered the nursing homes to take in CV19 positives. It was hardly outreach by the nursing homes, or some act of charity or altruism. They faced prosecution if they denied them entry - - how would prosecution help them keep their businesses alive?

Now he has tasked his atty gen with an investigation that is targeted at laying all blame on the nursing homes. Amazing.

You have to tap dance on the head of pin to justify this.

Not including language like that would likely lead to the end of nursing homes. The unfortunate reality is that failing to limit their liability is probably worse for society than the alternative. The sheer number of lawsuits likely to result as a result of al the Covid-19 deaths would put most nursing homes out of business and also make insurance cost prohibitive without regard to whether the nursing home actually did anything unlawful.

Also, the whole notion that a governor “snuck it in” is ridiculous. It must be approved by the state assembly. If assembly members voted for the budget without reading it, that’s their fault. And if someone voted for one of those lazy idiots, it is also theirs. And if they then failed to repeal it after the NY Times pointed it out, it is doubly their fault, and also the voters.
 

EOTL

SILVER ELITE
If it's so straightforward and logical, why didn't cuomo draw attention to it during his ceaseless public blathering rather than repeating myriad clap trap on a daily basis. It's a rather big deal, no? Instead he swept it under the rug hoping the electorate would sustain their blissful ignorance.

The fact is, Cuomo had self-preservation in mind as his highest priority, as it was he and his health chief Zucker that ordered the nursing homes to take in CV19 positives. It was hardly outreach by the nursing homes, or some act of charity or altruism. They faced prosecution if they denied them entry - - how would prosecution help them keep their businesses alive?

Now he has tasked his atty gen with an investigation that is targeted at laying all blame on the nursing homes. Amazing.

You have to tap dance on the head of pin to justify this.
Yeah, it really sucks when there’s no good solution. There were very legitimate concerns at the time that
keeping them in hospitals would completely overwhelm the healthcare system. It was also not feasible to allow nursing homes to reject them because doing so would almost certainly result in most having nowhere to go and pushing them to even more dangerous places that were even less capable of providing care, and potentially endangering even more people than at the nursing homes. Providing nursing homes with legal protection in exchange for requiring the homes to take them understandably seemed like the lesser of all evils at the time the decision was made.

With the benefit of hindsight, was it the wrong decision? Yes. Most NY metro hospitals were not overwhelmed to the extent anticipated but, then again, some were. What is interesting is that the ability of NY’s healthcare system to manage what was an almost incomprehensibly difficult situation as quickly and capably as it did is a huge testament to Cuomo’s overall handling of the crisis at its apex. But it also made the decision to force nursing homes to take those residents in exchange for legal protection his worst decision with the benefit of hindsight.

When people are faced with making life and death decisions in emergency situations, they can’t always make what we determine afterwards to be the best one. The history of the world is littered with incidents in which the world’s greatest leaders made colossal mistakes that resulted in far more deaths than Cuomo’s bad call.
 
looks like he's changed his mind again....
 
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