GA departures

Yeah they're clearly looking to reduce travel requirements to and from SoCal. I'd expect to see more SW GA club announcements in the near future. Probably one more club in San Diego (SD Force) and a few LA/Inland Empire/OC clubs. This will also solidify GA as the clear 2nd tier league to ECNL in SoCal (not that it wasn't already). I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that, although one has to wonder if a National league is really needed at this level of competition. That said, I do like what GA has been doing as a league and I really hope they grow and see success.
They need to have new and existing members sign a 3-year commitment and play the top teams in GA in each age group. If not, ECNL can easily come in and cherry pick the most successful club(s) again (i.e. Legends, Beach, Utah Royals) if GA starts to have too much momentum. No GA club would ever turn down an invitation to join ECNL.
 
They need to have new and existing members sign a 3-year commitment and play the top teams in GA in each age group. If not, ECNL can easily come in and cherry pick the most successful club(s) again (i.e. Legends, Beach, Utah Royals) if GA starts to have too much momentum. No GA club would ever turn down an invitation to join ECNL.
The end game for Beach and Legends was always ECNL, even prior to DA. These 2 clubs were held out by other Member clubs in the area so when US Soccer came around with GDA, it was a no brainer for these clubs.

ECNL really didn’t cheery pick, rather they honored a commitment they made to Clubs that were willing to make a sacrifice to put their Top Teams in their 2nd Tier League.
 

zags77

SILVER ELITE
This seems like a strange one, I know nothing about the program but the GA has added a 6th member for the 2021-2022 for the SW conference, Murrieta Surf.....

 

Goforgoal

SILVER ELITE
This seems like a strange one, I know nothing about the program but the GA has added a 6th member for the 2021-2022 for the SW conference, Murrieta Surf.....

I'm not sure why you think it's strange. The GA has holes to fill in the SW with the conference reshuffling and I guessed Murrieta Surf would be one of the clubs added. It makes sense geographically. I think SD Force is a likely addition as well, although this would make less geographic sense with SDSC literally sharing the one of their practice facilities. These club announcements likely won't blow anyone's minds but it is what it is at this point.
 
I'm not sure why you think it's strange. The GA has holes to fill in the SW with the conference reshuffling and I guessed Murrieta Surf would be one of the clubs added. It makes sense geographically. I think SD Force is a likely addition as well, although this would make less geographic sense with SDSC literally sharing the one of their practice facilities. These club announcements likely won't blow anyone's minds but it is what it is at this point.

This is a great move for GA. They have to start somewhere but expansion is critical for them to survive. That area is growing significantly and they will have a pipeline for kids looking for a challenge. They need a couple of more clubs in other areas to fill the geographic gap. As an example, we see so many kids from North OC driving to the great park to be part of the ECNL program.
 

Carlsbad7

SILVER
This is a great move for GA. They have to start somewhere but expansion is critical for them to survive. That area is growing significantly and they will have a pipeline for kids looking for a challenge. They need a couple of more clubs in other areas to fill the geographic gap. As an example, we see so many kids from North OC driving to the great park to be part of the ECNL program.
I don't know if its "critical" for GA to bring on a bunch of teams to survive. Quantity and Quality you need a mix of both.

But, I'm sure the GA bean counters prefer Quantity over Quality.
 
I don't know if its "critical" for GA to bring on a bunch of teams to survive. Quantity and Quality you need a mix of both.

But, I'm sure the GA bean counters prefer Quantity over Quality.
No reason for the snub. GA looked at things and decided that critical mass and shorter travel are important. ECNL made the same call. They're both right.
 
My DD plays in the GA and we have had a very nice expiernece. Florida was fantastic and the girls and the parents had a great time! We moved form ECNL to GA because my daughter wanted to play for a specific coach. Best move we have ever made!
Even though the jury is still out on the GA, their first year went as well as it could. Their hasn't been a disruption in access to NCAA/YNT coaches/scouts for those top clubs that remained in the GA. The newer clubs will attract talent - not enough room in ECNL for all of the talent to consolidate. The administration of the league has been efficient and their hiring of key corporate positions has been done deliberately and strategically.

Many parents knowingly took the "risk" and stayed in clubs that were not allowed back into ECNL. In AZ specifically, arguably the best girl's club, retained most of their players, even with another club being let back in to ECNL. We will see what happens in a few years, as players age out and go on about their way.

In a state like AZ, two leagues and 4 teams are too many and dilutes the talent. Parents know this and will likely revert to going with coaches with known results VS being attracted to leagues. Of course, coaches will tout their league as the best league. ECNL clubs in AZ will leverage their access to CA teams as the reason to join ECNL, which is smart. The other club will have to rely on their YNT/D1 placement success and known coaching commodities.

The joy of youth soccer. Pay to play is such a distraction and likely causes a lot of stress and anxiety for those involved. Great for pharma companies.
 

SoccerLocker

SILVER ELITE
In AZ specifically, arguably the best girl's club, retained most of their players, even with another club being let back in to ECNL. We will see what happens in a few years, as players age out and go on about their way.
Ok, I'll bite. How did that "arguably best girls club" who's staying in GA, finish this year:

08 9th
07 4th
06 5th
05 3rd
04 4th
03 3rd

How did "another club" who's moving to ECNL finish in GA this year:

08 1st
07 1st
06 6th
05 1st
04 1st
03 2nd

Best of luck to you and your DD, and the extra unnecessary travel next year. If you think players aren't going to move to ECNL clubs in AZ, I have a dog based coin to sell you...
 
Ok, I'll bite. How did that "arguably best girls club" who's staying in GA, finish this year:

08 9th
07 4th
06 5th
05 3rd
04 4th
03 3rd

How did "another club" who's moving to ECNL finish in GA this year:

08 1st
07 1st
06 6th
05 1st
04 1st
03 2nd

Best of luck to you and your DD, and the extra unnecessary travel next year. If you think players aren't going to move to ECNL clubs in AZ, I have a dog based coin to sell you...
My DD is aging out, moving on to the next level. My travel will consist of plane rides to home games, hopefully. Plenty of nuance in your post. I get it, based on points. What's wrong with the dog based coins? I appreciate your wit, it's refreshing.

08 - way too young to determine what is going on.
07 - 1 win (for the other club) 2nd game tie
06 - 1 win for arguable club, 1 tie: both games completely dominated by arguable club
05 - 1 tie, one blowout for arguable club
04 - Arguable club's team has been in rehab for 3 yrs
03 - Split the season

5 YNT players on the Arguable 06 team, 1 on the 05 and 1 on the 02/03. Plenty of girls moving on to P5 schools across the country. Utah Royals have their contingent of YNT and D1 players.

By the way, I'm not casting shade on Utah Royals. They are a much improved club that deserve their spot in ECNL and earned it by their performance in the GA. They will be the best AZ team in ECNL. If you know the history of the "other club" you would know that it's likely they would not have been asked back into ECNL even if their GA season had been perfect You probably already know this though. Whatever bridge they burned isn't going to be rebuilt.

Yes, travel is going to be different. CO and Utah may present transportation problems to some, maybe. NM and NV will not. In spite of the conference move, they still managed to pull players from other clubs during the tryout season. Its' all about the coaches. You will argue that it's about leagues. That argument can go on forever. Adjourn after next season to see how it plays out.
 
Even though the jury is still out on the GA, their first year went as well as it could. Their hasn't been a disruption in access to NCAA/YNT coaches/scouts for those top clubs that remained in the GA. The newer clubs will attract talent - not enough room in ECNL for all of the talent to consolidate. The administration of the league has been efficient and their hiring of key corporate positions has been done deliberately and strategically.

Many parents knowingly took the "risk" and stayed in clubs that were not allowed back into ECNL. In AZ specifically, arguably the best girl's club, retained most of their players, even with another club being let back in to ECNL. We will see what happens in a few years, as players age out and go on about their way.

In a state like AZ, two leagues and 4 teams are too many and dilutes the talent. Parents know this and will likely revert to going with coaches with known results VS being attracted to leagues. Of course, coaches will tout their league as the best league. ECNL clubs in AZ will leverage their access to CA teams as the reason to join ECNL, which is smart. The other club will have to rely on their YNT/D1 placement success and known coaching commodities.

The joy of youth soccer. Pay to play is such a distraction and likely causes a lot of stress and anxiety for those involved. Great for pharma companies.
SC DelSol is definitely not the best club in AZ. Several years ago they were clearly the best in AZ. They are still placing players in good programs, but the teams are slipping. They could not even field a DPL team at the 08 age, and their pre GA teams were mediocre in AZ league play. Not to mention where their GA teams finished in the standings.
 

SoccerLocker

SILVER ELITE
Best of luck to your DD. That is fortunate timing. For any younger team, it's an issue.

They have always been a recruitment model, with no youth program to draw from. So now, they have to convince players to move clubs to travel UT, NM, NV and CO against what's perceived to be 2nd tier competition. That's going to be quite a sales job. They are already at paper thin rosters, with no DPL strength to fall back on. Current results have been a canary in the coal mine. Any injuries and you stop winning. How long will parents want to stick that out?

P5 commitments have slowed dramatically. Yes, there were some who committed as freshmen under the old rules, and I don't fault those for sticking around, but it's been largely quiet since.

They do have 1 team (06) that is arguably the best. It's a very thin age group, and they will have to keep them together.

They did have 2 players make the virtual camps for 05s and older, but none made it beyond. Only 3 05s and 2 04s made it beyond, and all at other (ECNL) clubs.

How long can you lean on: Back in the day one of our coaches who hasn't coached in years trained senior USWNT players when there was no competition to speak of? We will find out.
 
SC DelSol is definitely not the best club in AZ. Several years ago they were clearly the best in AZ. They are still placing players in good programs, but the teams are slipping. They could not even field a DPL team at the 08 age, and their pre GA teams were mediocre in AZ league play. Not to mention where their GA teams finished in the standings.

I'm no here to argue on behalf of Del Sol. I'll leave it up to you and others to cast shade on clubs and coaches. Unusual season for all and many teams were injury plagued, which was a common theme across all clubs in AZ. Del Sol can be polarizing and can generate plenty of hate mail.

My oldest will age out after a very good run with them and will play at the next level at a P5 program. My youngest played for them for years and wasn't selected for a DA team. We moved her to another club and league where she did make the cut. That team isn't nearly as good as where she came from and struggles at best against lower table teams.

Many parents get caught up in wins/losses at the younger age groups, many don't. Your points about DPL and AZ league play are valid. It's not their strength and their model. Their focus is always on their platform teams and recruiting away from other clubs, finding players where no one else is looking.

I guess I don't understand your downplaying of where they finished in the standings - 4 of the 6 teams finished in the top 5, 2 in the top 3.

I agree their teams may be slipping a bit, but so are all teams in AZ. It's a result of too many teams and too many leagues. It's bound to happen and it doesn't favor our players. We don't have the population to feed that many teams and leagues. Money drives the train and parents feed that train with their ego. It's unfortunate.
 

Desert Hound

PREMIER
Ok, I'll bite. How did that "arguably best girls club" who's staying in GA, finish this year:

08 9th
07 4th
06 5th
05 3rd
04 4th
03 3rd

How did "another club" who's moving to ECNL finish in GA this year:

08 1st
07 1st
06 6th
05 1st
04 1st
03 2nd

Best of luck to you and your DD, and the extra unnecessary travel next year. If you think players aren't going to move to ECNL clubs in AZ, I have a dog based coin to sell you...
You beat me to the punch. Of the 2 clubs in GA in AZ this year, the better club went back to ECNL. To be honest Royals are probably the best club out of the ECNL/GA clubs in AZ.

del Sol will have issues going forward at the younger ages coming in.

Parents and kids know in the SW ECNL is the stronger option. So they will go to the 3 ECNL clubs first.

del Sol also has the problem that now they are not in the SW playing So Cal teams. They are offering competition vs NM, NV, CO and UT. That competition isn't as good. The other issue? The travel for them got a lot worse considering they now have to fly to games in UT and CO.

All that adds up to them being option 4 out of the 4 clubs offering ECNL or GA.
 
Best of luck to your DD. That is fortunate timing. For any younger team, it's an issue.

They have always been a recruitment model, with no youth program to draw from. So now, they have to convince players to move clubs to travel UT, NM, NV and CO against what's perceived to be 2nd tier competition. That's going to be quite a sales job. They are already at paper thin rosters, with no DPL strength to fall back on. Current results have been a canary in the coal mine. Any injuries and you stop winning. How long will parents want to stick that out?

P5 commitments have slowed dramatically. Yes, there were some who committed as freshmen under the old rules, and I don't fault those for sticking around, but it's been largely quiet since.

They do have 1 team (06) that is arguably the best. It's a very thin age group, and they will have to keep them together.

They did have 2 players make the virtual camps for 05s and older, but none made it beyond. Only 3 05s and 2 04s made it beyond, and all at other (ECNL) clubs.

How long can you lean on: Back in the day one of our coaches who hasn't coached in years trained senior USWNT players when there was no competition to speak of? We will find out.
All valid points.

They've always driven the recruitment train. The GA has to prove they are a platform that can place girls, which it appears it's going to do. They have their pitch ready to go, just like the other clubs do. They've always ran thin rosters in order to generate playing time and have never relied on DPL/2nd teams as backfill. They've always relied on moving talented players up from the younger teams. Sometimes for development, often times to fill holes until they can weather the injury storm. Parents are fickle. When injuries occur, complain about not having a bigger roster. When everyone is healthy, complain about big rosters and less playing time. 15 seems to be the magic number but many parents still complain.

This year has been an injury explosion for many of the teams (and has been an issue for the other top clubs in AZ). They've had players that have missed almost all of the season and MAY early next season. Injuries are always the wildcard. How a club manages them is important to parents.

The 05s will set the stage for future results. Where they go will help/hurt recruitment. Talented team but small this year due to injuries. The best 05 team in the state (in head to head Utah Royals). Plenty of buzz around them concerning which schools are looking at them and where they will go.

The 06s are very talented, with 3 YNT players (who went to Chula Vista last FEB) and 2 more who were invited to the virtual camp this year. They've had their injuries this year and may now be healthy. Rumor is they are sitting on an 18 player roster after tryouts, with some players coming over from other league teams. 18 players is larger than normal so who knows what the truth really is.

How long can they lean on the past? As long as other clubs do I guess. As long as the Bulls can lean on Phil and Michael. Legacy is a thing.

At the end of the day, go where your player can play and where she is happiest. Avoid the inevitable youth sports chaos and politics, put your chair by the corner flag and enjoy the time, it passes quickly.
 
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