ECNL-style Super League

Desert Hound said:
Not much. But lets take a look.

Atletico Madrid: Since 1928 they have played in the 2nd league for a total of 6 seasons. 4 of those seasons were in the early 30s.
Real Madrid: Since 1928 never relegated
Barcelona: It looks like 1 time in the 30s.

Juventus: 1 time since 1929
AC Milan: 3 times since 1929
Inter Milan: Never

Man U: Last time they were not in the top division was the mid 30s
Man City: They have been up and down a fair amount. However last time was 2001
Arsenal: Last time they were not in the top league was 1914
Chelsea: 9 times since 1929. The last being 1988
Tottenham: A lot of seasons in Div 2. However the last time was in the 1977
Liverpool: Since 1904 8 seasons in Div 2. The last time was 1961
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Off the top of my head, Juventus were relegated for corruption, won Serie B and then won every Serie A since (but won't this year).

Manchester United were relegated in the early 70s, around that time period, put down by a goal from Denis Law (ex. Man U playing for City).
 
notintheface said:
Because without other teams in other leagues they will have precisely fuck-all for player development. Who buys a Dani Carvajal jersey????? Barca being $1B in debt, look, I'm sorry, but maybe don't be spending $120M each on Coutinho and Griezmann. "We have to do this to ensure our financial situation", fuck off, if Messi says he won't play for a super league club then this thing is over before it starts.
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The only clubs who can pay Messi what he wants are the ones in the super league, PSG aside. The only reason PSG isn't one of them is a small matter of a WC in Qatar.

These clubs vacuum up lots of youth players to fund their operations. They hope some may make it, but they know they will net a profit from selling them on at some point. Look at Chelsea with 30+ players out on loan. They sold De Briun, Salah, Lukaku and others - no patience, just a business model. Bayern buy anyone who's any good in Germany so that they can stay at the top.

Maybe UEFA/FIFA should regulate on clubs hoarding youth players, maybe they should regulate on the loan system, maybe they should regulate on agents bleeding the game, maybe they should get serious about FFP, maybe pigs will fly.

It looks like its all starting to fold anyway.
 
This is what the smartest man in football said about the Super League:

"It is not a sport where the relation between effort and success does not exist". It is not a sport where success is already guaranteed or it doesn't matter if you lose. I said many times, I want the best competition. It is not fair when one team fight, fight, fight at the top and cannot be qualified because it is just for a few teams."

I think Pep knows what's good for football.
 
So apparently Chelsea players held a meeting with the CEO, reasons for not participating for the players ... "several international players spoke up and stated in no uncertain terms that they would not countenance a future in which they were barred from playing at World Cups, European Championships and other major tournaments. "

Although in the same meeting, assuming if they could still play internationals ... "players also raised the question of whether they would be in line for enhanced contracts given the influx of money that would flow into the club’s coffers if the Super League began as planned."

Everyone wants a piece I guess.
 
Messi>CR7 said:
This is what the smartest man in football said about the Super League:

"It is not a sport where the relation between effort and success does not exist". It is not a sport where success is already guaranteed or it doesn't matter if you lose. I said many times, I want the best competition. It is not fair when one team fight, fight, fight at the top and cannot be qualified because it is just for a few teams."

I think Pep knows what's good for football.
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He said sport, not (just) football. So that would rule out all the US closed leagues then I guess - MLS, NBA, NFL, MLB, NHL.
 
Grace T. said:
The MLS is very different. It's not only a closed league but it's also a joint ownership. What's kept the fundamentals working to date is the constant buy in by new owners for new teams, which keeps it functioning a bit like a pyramid scheme. Add in salary caps and transfer payment limitations and basically what you have is a league of roughly equal parity across the board.

As others have said, how likely are the big 6 EPL clubs or the big 3 La Liga clubs going to face relegation?
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It never ceases to amaze me how Americans are 100% OK with a "socialized" sports system while socialism is a dirty word in general. Of course the collective in this instance is a bunch of billionaires pocketing enormous amounts. Cartels like this would be broken up in any other industry.

In a country as capitalist as this, its a real head scratcher for me.
 
whatithink said:
Off the top of my head, Juventus were relegated for corruption, won Serie B and then won every Serie A since (but won't this year).

Manchester United were relegated in the early 70s, around that time period, put down by a goal from Denis Law (ex. Man U playing for City).
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Needless to say, I had to look up those stats regarding relegation.
 
whatithink said:
It never ceases to amaze me how Americans are 100% OK with a "socialized" sports system while socialism is a dirty word in general. Of course the collective in this instance is a bunch of billionaires pocketing enormous amounts. Cartels like this would be broken up in any other industry.

In a country as capitalist as this, its a real head scratcher for me.
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Welcome to America. People want good healthcare and sensible regulations about firearm ownership too, but what are you going to do. Insert the Usual Suspects "the greatest trick" quote.

It's good to see that the Super League is squashed before it got anywhere. It's good to see Woodward out; maybe this means the Glazers will bail or that the 50+1 rule will get traction.
 
notintheface said:
Welcome to America. People want good healthcare and sensible regulations about firearm ownership too, but what are you going to do. Insert the Usual Suspects "the greatest trick" quote.

It's good to see that the Super League is squashed before it got anywhere. It's good to see Woodward out; maybe this means the Glazers will bail or that the 50+1 rule will get traction.
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Yeah, I can't see the 50+1 rule getting any traction, that's just pols playing to the audience, e.g. who's going to come up with the billions required to buy out the existing owners?

Glazers have put up with crap since they took Man United over for 10M quid, and leveraged the club for 500M. They've taken, something like, 50M a year out in dividends, or so I read. That's since, what 2005 maybe. Maybe if someone offered them the $2.4B that MU are supposed to be worth they'd take it, but who is going to do that ... and who says they'd be better. Just look at Liverpool, their fans drove out Hicks et al and then got Henry. He wanted to trademark "Liverpool", has a policy of zero investment from his pocket (always debt leverage) and is all in for the super league.
 
whatithink said:
Yeah, I can't see the 50+1 rule getting any traction, that's just pols playing to the audience, e.g. who's going to come up with the billions required to buy out the existing owners?

Glazers have put up with crap since they took Man United over for 10M quid, and leveraged the club for 500M. They've taken, something like, 50M a year out in dividends, or so I read. That's since, what 2005 maybe. Maybe if someone offered them the $2.4B that MU are supposed to be worth they'd take it, but who is going to do that ... and who says they'd be better. Just look at Liverpool, their fans drove out Hicks et al and then got Henry. He wanted to trademark "Liverpool", has a policy of zero investment from his pocket (always debt leverage) and is all in for the super league.
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Yea but Henry is running LFC smart. They are winning and producing results. Before this the LFC fans loved FSG.
 
Desert Hound said:
FIFA is trying to kill it.

According to the news I heard FIFA is saying players in this league will not be able to participate in the world cup.
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I've read something similar with referees not being able to get FIFA games if they choose to ref in this league.
 
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